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caroll vaughn - 14 May 2004 00:00 GMT
My aunt has ad and when she's visiting and sees something she wants, she
just takes it. My mother always goes thru my aunts purse before she
leaves this house and retrieves many little things.

My aunt lives in a retirement home. She walks to Kroger's everyday and
was stopped yesterday after leaving the store with unpaid for cigarets
in her pocket. I bet this has been going on for a long time. She just
never got caught before. After explaining her problem, the store agreed
not to prosecute. But this will happen again!

Will they bar her from the store then eventually take her to jail?

She needs to be in a facility with locked doors. But she has children
who are taking care of her. (?) I just hate to see something bad happen
before they make changes.

Has anyone ever experienced anything like this. Taking things?

Thanks, caroll
turkey in the straw - 14 May 2004 04:39 GMT
My mother last night was a real bugger.She was waiting for my dad to
pick her up and take her home.I just wish i knew what triggers the bad
nights.Tonight she was sooooo good.My mom is just the opposite.She
doesn't believe anything is hers including her clothes.Last night she
was so mad at me she called me a bit__.I was trying to get her to go to
bed.
    Evelyn,Other than the clothes issue how is Ida doing?We are
attending a wedding Saturday,with my mom.Of course there will be no
staying over cause that is very difficult with her.So we will drive home
the same day.100 miles.   Barb
Evelyn Ruut - 14 May 2004 12:22 GMT
> My mother last night was a real bugger.She was waiting for my dad to
> pick her up and take her home.I just wish i knew what triggers the bad
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> staying over cause that is very difficult with her.So we will drive home
> the same day.100 miles.   Barb

Barb, I think it is something you are going to regret doing, but I HOPE it
isn't.   I drove Ida down to my father's house with me once, and she drove
me absolutely crazy the whole way.  She refused to use the toilet at my dads
house, and she was so difficult and argumentative the whole time going home.
I never again took her along for a ride that was anything but a short jaunt.
But you know as well as I do, it could be just as easily the other way and
she could behave like a saint, as well as an abominable brat.   Hope you get
the saint instead.   Enjoy the wedding!

Ida is doing well in the nursing home.   Yesterday she asked again to go
home, and Peter gave her the standard answer ..."when the doctor says you
are well enough".    She then says "OK" and the subject is over with till
the next time she asks.

She is clean, comfortable, and other than someone taking almost all her
clothing, I can't complain.   I am very annoyed about that and intend to
speak to someone about it today.

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Evelyn

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Tumbleweed - 14 May 2004 06:30 GMT
> My aunt has ad and when she's visiting and sees something she wants, she
> just takes it. My mother always goes thru my aunts purse before she
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>
> Thanks, caroll

Sure,it happens all the time. My father used to go geta paper and then
started just picking it up and walking out. She shouldnt be allowed to go
shopping by herself.

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Songbird - 14 May 2004 20:04 GMT
> Sure,it happens all the time. My father used to go geta paper and then
> started just picking it up and walking out. She shouldnt be allowed to go
> shopping by herself.

This thread brought up a childhood memory ... I lived in a small Southern
(US) town, and we had an elderly lady in town who everyone said was "a bit
off." She would wander downtown, and everyone kept an eye on her to make
sure she didn't step into traffic. Even at 10 or 11, my best friend and I
knew to go speak to Miss Irene if she looked like she might step off the
curb and then gently guide her back onto the sidewalk. Eventually one of the
handful of police officers would tell her "I think it's about time for you
to start supper, Miss Irene," and she would head home, with the officer
discreetly keeeping an eye on here til she got there.

She started filching small items in the drugstore, and rather than confront
her, the shopowners just kept a tab. It was never more than a lipstick or a
pack of gum. Her daughter would come settle up every few weeks. The
beleaguered daughter tried to keep her mom at home, but with small children
as well -- well, we all know how fast someone can disappear, and this was
before we had the sophisticated alarms and such we have now. There was
probably nothing but a hook and eye latch on a screen door keeping her in.

Shame we can't all live in small towns where we tolerate and are
affectionate towards those who are "a bit off."

Songbird
Mary Gordon - 15 May 2004 13:12 GMT
> Shame we can't all live in small towns where we tolerate and are
> affectionate towards those who are "a bit off."

Mary responds:
It really is sad, isn't it. We have a summer home and the nearest town
is a small village with maybe 1000 people total. There are a couple of
older mentally handicapped men who I see all the time - and they are
clearly much loved and well protected members of the community. I know
that everyone looks out for them and that they do odd jobs for local
residents. They often hang out on a park bench in front of the grocery
store, and everyone stops to say hello to them. It really struck me
how much better their lives are than so many with similar problems who
have to live in larger places where strangers are a danger.
Evelyn Ruut - 14 May 2004 12:14 GMT
> My aunt has ad and when she's visiting and sees something she wants, she
> just takes it. My mother always goes thru my aunts purse before she
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>
> Thanks, caroll

Caroll, when Ida first started going to the daycare center and in fact
throughout the entire time she went there, she would take rubber gloves.
Every night her handbag was stuffed with rubber gloves.   Not quite
stealing, because we told them she was stuffing them in her bag every day,
but they decided to just let her.   We threw out dozens and dozens of them
every week.
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Mary Gordon - 14 May 2004 15:17 GMT
A couple of things about this are not good - first off, she has AD and
she has the freedom to roam unescorted, which is dangerous - she is
going to get lost or taken advantage of or worse. She is already doing
inappropriate things when she is out (i.e. taking things without
paying for them). Many businesses will be understanding with regards
to AD behaviours, but this store and staff should not be expected to
let her in with the knowledge she's going to walk out with items.

Second off, she's free to buy smoking materials...and then I presume,
use them unsupervised? Bad, bad idea. We've had some family members
with AD who were smokers, and the facility was very, very strict about
keeping all the smoking supplies with the staff. They would let the
person smoke in a designated smoking room under supervision. People
with AD should never, never have matches, lighters, cigarettes etc.
without direct supervision. The danger of fire is just too great - and
they put others in danger as well.

Mary G.
 
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