Hi
I have posted once before to this group about my mum. In 2003 after she
vomitted a lot and felt dizzy continuously more or less for 4 days, she was
admitted to hospital. In the first hour or two of this stay, whilst in A&E
(the UK equivalent of ER) she lapsed into what I can only call a
semi-concious state. She had a fixed stare ahead and was unresponsive to
commands apart from some mumbling. She recovered from this over 4 hours but
ever since she's not been the same and has slowly detoriorated. It started
off with memory problems and she also became more aggressive.
During this stay she had an MRI brain scan and was referred to a neurologist
who
she saw in June after I pressed my GP about mum's unusual behaviours. The GP
said the MRI scan showed degeneration but nothing more. The neurologist said
she had suffered several mini-strokes and this was probably responsible for
her
(then) recent memory problems. He ordered a follow up MRI scan, which she
had in July, and a follow up visit to see him in late Novemeber. At this
visit he explained the 2nd scan had shown new mini-strokes as he expected,
so he discharged her from his care with strict instructions to her GP to
take more care of her blood pressure, cholesterol and triglycerides. She's
had a history of high cholesterol since at least 1990, blood pressure on and
off since 1978 and more especially since 1990 and her triglycerides were
recorded as being high as 2003, although the problem probably existed before
this. She also had a major stroke during an angiography procedure that went
wrong in 1991 which left her with partial sight although no other problems
occurred then.
She has now started to become more and more aggressive. Her short term
memory is more or less the same, but she has warped stories that have
happened in the past so that my father is blamed. She also often accuses him
of thieving money, buying prostitutes and even talks about sex in front of
me - all very uncharacteristic behaviours. She is also becoming physically
abusive towards dad to such an extent I am beginning to fear what may
happen.
I have been back to the Doctor about her suspicious behaviours - for example
where she thinks money has been stolen by dad - and he puts it down to mum's
memory problems. He also said, and I am quoting him directly, that mum "will
slowly get worse over time, however it's not like Alzheimer's (disease)
where the
progression to death is rapid - less than 2 years". He also said mum would
have
good days and mum would have bad. I am simply asking first of all what to do
next about mum's recent violent behvaiour and if this sounds like vascular
dementia.
If it is why would the Doctor not be naming it directly and merely be
describing it's
symptoms?
Evelyn Ruut - 12 May 2004 01:15 GMT
> Hi
>
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> describing it's
> symptoms?
Have you asked the doctor directly if he feels that she could be
experiencing vascular dementia? Sometimes doctors are reluctant to use
certain terminology, since it tends to panic people a bit. From what you
have described it surely would seem that is what it is, but without a real
and proper diagnosis, it has to be hard to know how to proceed. Explain
that to your doctor..... that you need a real diagnosis, you already know
the symptoms!

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Dennis P. Harris - 12 May 2004 03:40 GMT
> Have you asked the doctor directly if he feels that she could be
> experiencing vascular dementia? Sometimes doctors are reluctant to use
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> that to your doctor..... that you need a real diagnosis, you already know
> the symptoms!
and then ask him to prescribe something to help control her
inappropriate and agressive behavior...
OcnGypZ - 12 May 2004 03:50 GMT
>Subject: Advice needed about mum
Get a new doctor, preferably a neurologist.. or geriatric-neurologist. GP's are
fine for normal aches and pains.. and sore throats..
Also do a search on frontal lobe dementia.
Babette
Gwen Love - 12 May 2004 04:22 GMT
I agree with the suggestion to get a new doctor. This one is not taking
your mother's problems seriously or trying to do anything to help. You
really need a second opinion, either a geriatrician or neurologist.
Gwen

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Tumbleweed - 12 May 2004 07:49 GMT
> Hi
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> describing it's
> symptoms?
Who knows, for a start what he said about progression to death within 2
years re Az is completely incorrect so I'm not sure what to make of anything
else he said.

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Mary Gordon - 12 May 2004 17:34 GMT
Yes, absolutely, she has at minimum vascular - or more accurately -
multi-infarct dementia.
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/disorders/multi-infarctdementia_doc.htm
http://www.alzheimers.org/pubs/mid.htm
http://www.zarcrom.com/users/alzheimers/odem/mid-d.html
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000746.htm
http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000746.cfm
Mary G.
Far - 20 May 2004 01:14 GMT
Just to update you on this...
I spoke to my (and indeed mum's) Doctor on the phone earlier this morning
after suggestions from several of you to find out *exactly* what she is
suffering from. I asked straight out if she had dementia and he said "no,
just a loss of brain power" which I find quite bizzare. He said mum's
aggressiveness was probably due to her being unable to cope with stressful
situations due to this (her sister unfortunately passed away recently tho
she has been put on amitriptyline to help with this), but she had started to
become aggressive both before starting the amitriptyline and even before her
sister died. I have to say I am most unhappy with his answers and will see
what options I have open to me.
On a different note, I had a very comforting and reassuring chat with the
local branch of the Alzheimer's society. The lady on the end of the phone
listened to me, and whilst she admitted she was not medically qualified, she
said it sounded like multi-infarct dementia. She said the GP should refer
her to "elderly psychiatrist" who can evaluate her and get her started on
approprtiate medications.
I shall update you all if there is further news.
Regards,
Far
> Hi
>
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> describing it's
> symptoms?
Dennis P. Harris - 20 May 2004 03:27 GMT
> I spoke to my (and indeed mum's) Doctor on the phone earlier this morning
> after suggestions from several of you to find out *exactly* what she is
> suffering from. I asked straight out if she had dementia and he said "no,
> just a loss of brain power" which I find quite bizzare. [snip]
> I have to say I am most unhappy with his answers and will see
> what options I have open to me.
YOU MUST GET A NEW DOCTOR. Tell him that you want her referred
to a geriatric psychatrist and a neurologist NOW. This doctor is
not current in his medical knowledge, and should either take some
refresher courses or retire.
> On a different note, I had a very comforting and reassuring chat with the
> local branch of the Alzheimer's society. The lady on the end of the phone
> listened to me, and whilst she admitted she was not medically qualified, she
> said it sounded like multi-infarct dementia. She said the GP should refer
> her to "elderly psychiatrist" who can evaluate her and get her started on
> approprtiate medications.
The correct term is "geriatric psychiatrist".
Mary Gordon - 20 May 2004 18:00 GMT
Ditch that GP and call the neurogist who assessed her and said she'd
had strokes. You need some help.
"loss of brain power" ...snort....an even stupider garbage pail of a
diagnosis than "dementia".
You need someone to say...she has brain damage from XYZ (strokes?
Alzheimer's?), the prognosis is ABC (its progressive?), and we can do
the following XYZ to either A. help slow it down and/or B. assist with
the mood and behavioural issues.
Mary G.
Far - 20 May 2004 18:59 GMT
> Ditch that GP and call the neurogist who assessed her and said she'd
> had strokes. You need some help.
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> the following XYZ to either A. help slow it down and/or B. assist with
> the mood and behavioural issues.
For some reason I managed to split this thread into two on the news server
even tho I cancelled my original message :o/ Apologies for this
This is good advice and I shall look at calling the neurologist in the next
few days. I am in the UK so not sure if I can "go over" the GP's head on
this but will give it a try. He did prescribe some meds to try and help slow
down the strokes (a blood thinner called dypiridamole that mum takes
alongside her regular aspirin, clopidogrel and several other meds) and
something called Ezetrol to try and further reduce her cholesterol and blood
fats.
Regards,
Far
Dennis P. Harris - 21 May 2004 04:00 GMT
> I am in the UK so not sure if I can "go over" the GP's head on
> this but will give it a try.
well, you certainly should. surely the national health system
has some way for reporting totally incompetent doctors, which he
certainly appears to be.