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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / May 2004Medication for aggressive behaviour
Hi all, I've posted here a few times and have always received such great help (Thanks!!) so here I go again with another request for help/ advice. My Mum has had AD for the past 3 years. She is still living at home with my Dad but she cannot do anything for herself and she is now at a point where she has begun to become a bit aggressive. It's not all the time but on occasions she has now started to push my Dad away when he tries to take her to the toilet, and she says nasty things to him and my sister (the other main carer) which is really quite upsetting. So far I have not been on the receiving end but I'm sure it's only a matter of time. It doesn't last all day, and we know it's not really Mum and that it's the disease, and she knows herself when it has happened and she is quite remorseful, but it's still very hard to take. I wondered whether there is any specific medication that any of you know have experience of that can control the aggression and mood swings, as we are due to see her doctor soon. At the moment she takes Memantine(Ebixa) and a mild Anti Depressent. We don't want something that is going to completely knock her off her feet and turn her into a zombie- just something to calm her a little. Thanks in advance, Adrian > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Adrian Adrian you need to explain the aggressiveness to her doctor. There are medications that can help, but you need a doctor to prescribe it. This week there was a discussion of Risperdol on this newsgroup. If you google it, perhaps you can read up on what several other posters had to say about it.  SignatureRegards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox") Thanks Evelyn, I'll bring the matter up with the doctor this week to see what he recommends. If we can find the right balance between her being less aggressive but not being heavily sedated, I think it will be better for all of us. Thanks Adrian > > Hi all, > > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox") >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >If you google it, perhaps you can read up on what several other posters had >to say about it. klonipin "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb Brent (AKA Dali) Klonopin is not something most of us would want used on frail elderly loved ones with AD other than in a crisis - its a heavy duty sedative like valium and librium (its in the same family), and has all kinds of unhappy stuff that goes with it in terms of side effects, addictionetc.. The only time I can see it being used is as a one time only thing if a person is completely flipping out, and nothing else is working. During my MILs 6 year voyage through AD, I can think of exactly once when sedation was necessary and appropriate. Respiridol works in an entirely different way - its an antispychotic, not a tranquilizer, but it does help many people with many troublesome behaviours and agitation. If you give someone elderly klonopin, you zombify them, which is hardly what most of us want - i.e. a drowsy, glassy eyed, stumbling loved one. Mary G. >Brent (AKA Dali) > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Mary G. Thanks for the info. I unfortunately fall under that category. I'm in the process of trying to get on paxil but sometimes klonipin is needed or I do flip. I agree it should be used sparingly. Thanks for the info. "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb >>If you give someone elderly klonopin, you zombify them, which is >>hardly what most of us want - i.e. a drowsy, glassy eyed, stumbling [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >or I do flip. I agree it should be used sparingly. Thanks for the >info. Your doctor is willing to prescribe clonazepam yet you're only in the process of getting paxil? Interesting. As Mary has pointed out, benzo's are not a good idea in the treatment of AD or any form of dementia for that matter. > Brent (AKA Dali) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > working. During my MILs 6 year voyage through AD, I can think of > exactly once when sedation was necessary and appropriate. <snip> > If you give someone elderly klonopin, you zombify them, which is > hardly what most of us want - i.e. a drowsy, glassy eyed, stumbling > loved one. I have had three people close to me, including an immediate family member, prescribed Klonipin in years past. 'Zombie' is the exact word used by everyone who encountered these people under the influence. I would raise hell if it were prescribed for my father (he's one of the people who described a family member on Klonipin as a 'zombie'). -- Robert >> Brent (AKA Dali) >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >hell if it were prescribed for my father (he's one of the people who >described a family member on Klonipin as a 'zombie'). when they kill someone (AND THEY DO!)don't start crying to me about it. And whatever you do don't try to cure them with c silver. http://www.vh.org/adult/patient/neurology/alzheimers/violence.html "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb >>I have had three people close to me, including an immediate family member, >>prescribed Klonipin in years past. 'Zombie' is the exact word used by [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.vh.org/adult/patient/neurology/alzheimers/violence.html Now look at what you've done Robert--you've unleashed the colloidal silver witchery. Also, since Brent was nice enough to reveal his email address (bborgers1@houston.rr.com) we can now email him directly and not clutter the group with off-topic posts. ;-) > >>I have had three people close to me, including an immediate family member, > >>prescribed Klonipin in years past. 'Zombie' is the exact word used by [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > email address (bborgers1@houston.rr.com) we can now email him directly > and not clutter the group with off-topic posts. ;-) Much better to complain to his ISP for using usenet for commercial purposes. SignatureRegards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox") >> >>I have had three people close to me, including an immediate family >member, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Much better to complain to his ISP for using usenet for commercial purposes. and i am spamming who??? I never said one thing about any specific web sight. I had horribl skin problem but I cured them with C silver(which is allopatheic and means regular dr's have used it for a lot longer than any other abx.) and sunshine. I put it in a small pool outside and with c silver I have not had any skin problems at all. Excuse the hell out of me for trying to help. Use clorox like I know they are doing now. who cares if it's burning the patient. Dont worry i'm out of here the only reason I posted is because chronically ill people are not getting the trace elements they need. FACT. My name is Brent Borgers, I am a survivor of something very similar to alzheimers. I am afraid of no one but God so dont even try to scare me. In fact come on by. Again read up on c silver it's not homeopathy it's been used for years by Dr's, it's in curad bandages, it's in hospital catheters and they are starting silver IV's to save people. Anyone who says it does not work has just not read enough. and if you think alzheimers is not from pathogens I can hit you with trial after trial saying your incorrect. ALL I WANT IS TO HELP THESE POOR SOB. Excuse the hell out of me.do what u want I'm out of here. many good sights silvermedicine.org is a good one but I do not spam any products in fact if you treat someone you will have to make your own Do yall want me to start printing deaths due to violent alzheimers patients? I got plenty of them. I stand by my original statemnet better to drug them up at times then have them harm someone else. "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb >>>I have had three people close to me, including an immediate family member, >>>prescribed Klonipin in years past. 'Zombie' is the exact word used by [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >email address (bborgers1@houston.rr.com) we can now email him directly >and not clutter the group with off-topic posts. ;-) feel free toad. "The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it." -- Chinese Proverb |
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