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Evelyn Ruut - 06 May 2004 16:16 GMT
Hi friends,

Ida is not doing well in the Merry Walker and they have decided to put her
in a very low wheel chair with an alarm if she gets up.   This has the
benefit of allowing her to snooze in it if she wants.   She kept trying to
get out of the Merry Walker all the time for some reason even though she
could roam around if she wanted in it.   She didn't seem to get the hang of
using it.

By the way I am feeling as though it may be better if I post here a lot less
in the future.   I don't want to upset those whose loved ones are in earlier
stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
stages may not be things they can relate to.

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Regards,
Evelyn

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Camille - 06 May 2004 18:04 GMT
Sorry to hear the Merry Walker isn't working out.  My mother started with
her  rolling walker in the earlier stages of AD and so does pretty well with
it.

Regarding not posting because you don't want to upset anyone, I wish you
would reconsider.  I know I don't post often but I do lurk and read all the
posts.  This list has been a great source of information to me.  Sometimes
it was the only place I could get any good information on the nuts and bolts
of dealing with the awful disease.  Sadly, for everyone who has a loved one
in the early stages of AD, there are also those of us who have a LO in the
ending stage.  Whether a LO is still at home or placed in a facility, this
information is useful to everyone who deals with this disease.

Camille

> Hi friends,
>
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> stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
> stages may not be things they can relate to.
Tumbleweed - 06 May 2004 19:12 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
> stages may not be things they can relate to.

Evelyn,

there is no point hiding stuff from people, we all know that dennial is one
of the biggest problems that is faced. It can also help relating
experiences, to know that other people have had the same issues you did, and
to know what worked, what didnt, and to face up to the fact that there comes
a time when care is the best option for all. You can speak to all that.

Look at it from another POV, suppose people like you did drop out? Then the
board would be full of people saying "anyone else seen this problem"  with
responses of "no, you must be having something very unusual"or "no, maybe
you arent caring properly since I never experienced that".

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Songbird - 06 May 2004 19:20 GMT
> By the way I am feeling as though it may be better if I post here a lot less
> in the future.   I don't want to upset those whose loved ones are in earlier
> stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
> stages may not be things they can relate to.

Evelyn,

I hope your decision is not based on the earlier discussion about some
people needing early-stage support groups. That is not what *this* place is
nor should it be. We *need* people with your experience here.

Even though I can't say I have had the same problems you have had with Ida,
I find it encouraging that you have found answers. If I find a post too
discouraging or emotionally "heavy," I have the option to not read it -- not
the case in a "real'time" group. and I suspect only those of who want to
hear -- and are ready to hear -- all the details are here.

However, if your decision is based on your needing to be spending more time
on other things that you have put on the back burner to help us and to help
Ida. then I fully understand.

Songbird
Mary K Farrell - 06 May 2004 20:28 GMT
 Evelyn, please think a little more about it before you decide not to post
here. All of us need your input and insight. You are an important part of
this family. I'm sure you need to take a break from things now that Ida is
placed. By all means, take a break and get your life back to normal. But
please don't leave the family. We all know and love you.
 Mary K

 > Hi friends,
 >
 > Ida is not doing well in the Merry Walker and they have decided to put
her
 > in a very low wheel chair with an alarm if she gets up.   This has the
 > benefit of allowing her to snooze in it if she wants.   She kept trying
to
 > get out of the Merry Walker all the time for some reason even though she
 > could roam around if she wanted in it.   She didn't seem to get the hang
of
 > using it.
 >
 > By the way I am feeling as though it may be better if I post here a lot
less
 > in the future.   I don't want to upset those whose loved ones are in
earlier
 > stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
 > stages may not be things they can relate to.
 >
 > --
 > Regards,
 > Evelyn
 >
 > (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
 >
 >
John Inzer - 06 May 2004 20:56 GMT
> Hi friends,
>
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> even though she could roam around if she wanted in it.
> She didn't seem to get the hang of using it.
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Rosie will not use a walker, a cane, a wheelchair
or any other type of aid.

When she still had some presence of mind, she
believed that using a walker or a cane was a sign
of weakness and it made her feel ashamed.
I guess those thoughts are still bouncing around
in there somewhere.
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> By the way I am feeling as though it may be better if I
> post here a lot less in the future.   I don't want to
> upset those whose loved ones are in earlier stages and
> reading about these kinds of problems associated with
> later stages may not be things they can relate to.
===================================
Upset or otherwise, it's my belief that folks need
to hear what their future holds. Your messages are
thoughtful and well written...keep up the good work!

Just my 2 cents worth....but this ain't some sad
movie that may have a happy ending...it's real life
folks...get used to it.

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Barbara Rose - 06 May 2004 22:18 GMT
.>
> By the way I am feeling as though it may be better if I post here a lot less
> in the future.   I don't want to upset those whose loved ones are in earlier
> stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
> stages may not be things they can relate to.

Please don't stop posting Evelyn.  I read all the posts and have found the
group so helpful in the past three years.  Mum is in a home now so things
are so much better for me now but reading about the later stages of AD is
not off-putting and I think we all appreciate that it will probably come to
pass for most of us.

I have had great solace from this group and a lot of very sensible advice.

Barb in UK
Howard Goldstein - 07 May 2004 00:05 GMT
:  By the way I am feeling as though it may be better if I post here a lot less
:  in the future.   I don't want to upset those whose loved ones are in earlier
:  stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
:  stages may not be things they can relate to.

Evelyn, do reconsider, *please* stay and post.  I sincerely hope that
you can continue to find some value in relating your experiences here,
and (quite selfishly I confess) I believe that, yes, your observations
are disconcerting but in that they're reality, the discussion can only
help persons similarly situated, as I am.
viola putman - 09 May 2004 04:23 GMT
Please don't anyone leave this group.  I have just found you and need
all the support I can get.  My Moter has Alzheimer and I am her
caregiver.  She is and has always been a wonderful lady.  I am with her
24 hours a day,  She  forgets who I am and where we live.  Please !!!
everyone stay , My motive is selfish I need to know I am not alone.
John Ferman - 09 May 2004 05:22 GMT
> Please don't anyone leave this group.  I have just found you and need
> all the support I can get.  My Moter has Alzheimer and I am her
> caregiver.  She is and has always been a wonderful lady.  I am with her
> 24 hours a day,  She  forgets who I am and where we live.  Please !!!
> everyone stay , My motive is selfish I need to know I am not alone.

Were you aware that there is an alzheimers elist from yahoogroups? It
seems to be quite active.
Dennis P. Harris - 07 May 2004 05:23 GMT
> By the way I am feeling as though it may be better if I post here a lot less
> in the future.   I don't want to upset those whose loved ones are in earlier
> stages and reading about these kinds of problems associated with later
> stages may not be things they can relate to.

sorry, evelyn, but that's really not helping anyone.  folks with
LOs in the early stages need to get over their denial, and this
group is one place where they can.
turkey in the straw - 07 May 2004 14:30 GMT
Yes,My mom is between stages 5-6.Just wanted to let you know it has
improved greatly with taking away the namenda.I was wondering if anyone
else has there LO on zyprexa and how many mgs.they take?
    Does anyone else feel like this disease has taken over there whole
life as far as being a caretaker? It just seems to consume me at
times.It's so reminds me of caring for my kids.Changing diapers,feeding
them,keeping them out of harms way.It isn't supposed to be this way.My
mother constantly asking where her hubby is and her little girls.No
answer is sufficient.How i wish i had an answer for her,and for me.
     Evelyn,please don't stop posting.Your posts mean very much to
me.You are a fountain of information that all will need some day.
      Sorry for going on but i needed that.
     Barb
Evelyn Ruut - 07 May 2004 15:39 GMT
> Yes,My mom is between stages 5-6.Just wanted to let you know it has
> improved greatly with taking away the namenda.I was wondering if anyone
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>        Sorry for going on but i needed that.
>       Barb

Dear Barb,

I have decided to stay on, since it seems that more have spoken in that
direction than those who maybe were put off by hearing about later stage
issues.

I know how you feel and we got to feeling that way for almost the whole time
Ida was here.  We never ever left her alone during the entire time we had
her with us.   So it did get to be pretty intensive and the comparison with
caring for a child was very accurate.   The repetitive questions no one can
answer are hard, it is true.

We just gritted our teeth and replied for the umpteenth time with the best
answer that we could, over and over again.   It somehow helps to say to
yourself and realize that they really don't do it on purpose, that to THEM,
they are asking that question for the very first time, and that they really
want to know.   The answer just doesn't stay in their mind, but the question
never leaves.

About it not supposed to be this way, I am not sure about that.   I found it
a comfort to believe that things in life are indeed the way they are
supposed to be.   Life issues us challenges and tests every day.   When we
were children we asked a million questions and needed to be kept out of
harms way too.   We never thought for a minute that we might be
inconveniencing or stressing our parents.   So I thought about that concept
when Ida became especially trying.   I thought how she took care of Peter
when he was a child, and now she needed taking care of.   I felt it was
spiritually "money in the bank" in terms of good karma or good will.
Naturally that isn't why we do this, I think most of us do it because we
believe that family should take care of family, and that we owe it to our
own to look after them while they are ill for as long as we can.

Now that Ida is no longer living with us at home, I realize that there has
been a tremendous weight lifted off us, but I don't regret for a minute
having cared for her here as long as we could.

I don't feel that we let her down or that we ought to feel any guilt for
placing her, since she is in a clean and good facility and she is getting
good care.   She is adapting to it well and we are so relieved I cannot
begin to tell you.   But I do not regret for a single second that we took
care of her here for as long as we did.   It was good for all of us.

If I had known then that she would adapt this easily, I would have put her
in respite care once in a while though, just to get a break.   We never did
that.

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Regards,
Evelyn

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Dennis P. Harris - 08 May 2004 05:45 GMT
> Sorry for going on but i needed that.

that's what we're here for...
turkey in the straw - 08 May 2004 16:22 GMT
Just thought i would say "Good Mornin"and hope you all have a
"GOOD"day.Barb
turkey in the straw - 09 May 2004 03:16 GMT
Evelyn,
  I forgot to tell you that i actually would wake up in the morning and
wonder how Ida's transition was going.I feel like i know Ida.I love how
you and Kay(I think thats her name)have taken us on this journey of AD.I
have learned so much in here.Thank you all so much.Barb
Barbara Rose - 09 May 2004 12:30 GMT
Evelyn,
>    I forgot to tell you that i actually would wake up in the morning and
> wonder how Ida's transition was going.I feel like i know Ida.I love how
> you and Kay(I think thats her name)have taken us on this journey of AD.I
> have learned so much in here.Thank you all so much.Barb

Me too, I felt as though I knew Ida personally and wondered regularly how
things were.

Barb in UK
viola putman - 09 May 2004 04:31 GMT
Barb:
My mother is on zyprexa 10 miligram .  It seems to help some but it is
not a miracle drug,like I prayed it would be.  Her system tolerates it
very well and she is better until late evening then nothing helps.  She
is also on Zoloft.
JM Van_Horn - 13 May 2004 02:10 GMT
> Yes,My mom is between stages 5-6.Just wanted to let you know it has
> improved greatly with taking away the namenda.I was wondering if anyone
> else has there LO on zyprexa and how many mgs.they take?

My mother, who is now in a NH, is taking 20mg of Zyprexa.  They
did a "drug holiday" as required by law, they told me, where they
took the Zyprexa down to 10mg to see if it was necessary.
It was necessary!  At 10 mg she was often agitated and yelling
and it was often incoherent.  They eased her back up to the 20 mg
she was taking when she entered the NH and she appears to be
stabilized.  She often yells but it's not so often and not so incoherent
and she seems much less unhappy.  She yells for attention a lot at
night.  They give her 10 mg in the evening and 10 mg in the morning.

>      Does anyone else feel like this disease has taken over there whole
> life as far as being a caretaker? It just seems to consume me at
> times.It's so reminds me of caring for my kids.Changing diapers,feeding

Yes!  Before, when Mom was in the dementia unit in assisted living I had
a lot of responsibility to bring in supplies and take her to the doctor.
Now
she's in the nursing home, there's less of that, but lots of paperwork and
getting adjusted to her new deteriorated condition.  I need to find a grief
group.

joan
 
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