Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / April 2004
Safety over Happiness
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Tom Wieken - 24 Apr 2004 19:27 GMT Hi everyone,
I have just been called by my mother's day care. They were all upset because my mother told them that she walked to the store and got lost and a stranger gave her a ride home.
They told me that I was not taking proper care of her because I let her go to the store on her own. Well my mother is very self-centered and if she decides to do something, the only way to stop her would be to retrain her with chains.
They told me they might have to turn me into the state for abuse.
Now it is my opinion that her safety is always my concern, but here happiness and also. There is a balance here between letting her have some freedom and putting her in jail, which I consider a nursing home. When a person can never leave a place without permission, this is jail.
Let me know what you think about this matter.
Thanks,
Tom
John Inzer - 24 Apr 2004 20:37 GMT > Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Tom =================================== You asked so I will give you my opinion.
No AD victim should be allowed to go anywhere outside of the home without supervision. I agree with what the daycare center told you and be aware that if you are reported...the authorities could remove your mother from your care.
The fact that AD victims can be so head strong and argumemtative is a major problem that all caretakers have to deal with. If you cannot deal with it (and believe me I understand how hard it is)...a nursing home may be the safest place for your mother.
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Gwen Love - 24 Apr 2004 23:22 GMT Tom, John is absolutely right. You just cannot let an AD person go out by themselves. Their safety does come ahead of momentary happiness or satisfaction. You just have to bite the bullet and take charge. Gwen
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| > Hi everyone, | > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] | hard it is)...a nursing home may be the safest | place for your mother. Evelyn Ruut - 24 Apr 2004 21:31 GMT Tom, I am sorry to tell you this, but freedom to roam around is not an option for someone who is losing their memory. I hope you find a way to keep her safe. The daycare is not giving you a hard time, they are giving you good advice.
Every now and then some older person with Alzheimers disappears and they mention it on the news. Very seldom is it a good situation when they are found, *IF* they are found. Sometimes they have frozen to death or are found far from home very ill suffering from exposure. Please reconsider your views on this, or at least ask around.
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> Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Tom Mary Gordon - 24 Apr 2004 23:26 GMT Tom, sorry, I'm with the daycare on this one. You are in the same shoes as a parent now.
I have three kids (now 13, 10 and 6) and there are many, many, MANY things they would be very happy to do that I can't let them do because as the person on the scene with the mature, functioning noggin, I know they don't have the required judgement, knowledge, experience etc.
For example, my six year old believes with full confidence that she is a wonderful swimmer, and should be allowed to swim in the lake without anyone watching her. She thinks she should be able to go to the park alone and cross busy streets. She would cheerfully trust many adults she shouldn't. So, she certainly would be HAPPY if I let her do whatever she felt like doing, from carve a pumpkin by herself, use the stove, climb on the balcony railing, to walk home from school alone, play on the street after dark etc. etc. but I can't let her do those things. Its not her fault - her brain is not capable of understanding hazards, making sensible decisions and choices, knowing what to do in an emergency. If I let her do everything she wanted to do, I would doubtless be brought to the attention of the authorities for neglect and child endangerment, and they would be right in intervening. As caregiver, I have a duty to take reasonable steps to ensure their well being and safety, and if I can't or won't do that, I should not be in charge of my children.
Whether or not you accept it, the damage from AD has dismantled her adult brain so she is like my daughter, and does not have the the ability to recognize danger, doesn't know what to do if she's in trouble, can't always find her way home, doesn't know who to trust, doesn't necessarily react appropriately to situations etc. so - you absolutely MUST not let her do certain things any more by herself. You can go for a nice walk with her, you can hire someone to take her for walks, you can get a neighbour to take her out, but you can't let her walk alone. If you are going to be a caregiver, you have to take on the whole accountability.
If you can't provide the level of supervision she needs, you must find an alternative care situation - you can find ways to keep her happy and also safe at the same time but she needs 24/7 supervision.
Every year there are tragic stories about people with dementia wandering off - often because they have gotten out alone by accident or their family has not recognized their vunerablity. Often they are not found in time to avert tragedy. They wander onto roads, they end up lost in ravines, they die from exposure. Best case often is they are found dirty, exhausted, and hungry miles from home by some caring stranger who has realized they are in trouble. Besides the hazards of traffic, geography and weather, you also have to realize that there are terrible people out there who prey on the vunerable. God forbid your mother should be beaten or raped when she gets into the car of a stranger because she doesn't know any better.
I think you are engaging in some "magic thinking" here, and somehow convincing yourself because nothing really bad has happened yet, what you are doing is okay. You have in-your-face evidence already, so you can't pretend you don't know you are exposing her to dangers.
Mary G.
Dennis P. Harris - 24 Apr 2004 23:41 GMT > Now it is my opinion that her safety is always my concern, but here > happiness and also. There is a balance here between letting her have some > freedom and putting her in jail, which I consider a nursing home. When a > person can never leave a place without permission, this is jail. NO, it is NOT jail if you have to restrain the person for her own good. If she can just wander out of the house at any time and you leave her at home alone, that IS abuse if she wanders away and gets lost.
A nursing home is not jail, either. You need to get over the idea that she can still think normally; she can't. Without a properly working memory, her reasoner is broken.
You need to accept the fact that she is no longer safe by herself, and take whatever action is necessary to keep her safe, whether she likes it or not. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.
Mike - 25 Apr 2004 01:12 GMT Tom, I agree with the other posts.
Just remeber, you are NOT doing these things to her. Alzheimers is doing it!
Do what you have to do to protect her. Don't feel guilty.
It was very hard for me to move my "independent" father to my side of town. It was even harder to tell him he could'nt drive any more.
I had to do to protect him.
- Mike, Friendswood Texas
> Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Tom Mare - 25 Apr 2004 16:57 GMT Hi Mike, How are you doing?
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> Tom, I agree with the other posts. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Mike, Friendswood Texas Mike - 26 Apr 2004 01:48 GMT Doing OK. It has been just about 3 months since my father passed. Today was his birthday. We were going to go out the veteran's cemetery and see the grave site now that the maker and grass is in. But the weather in Houston has been raining all weekend. We will wait until we have a clear day.
Still dealing with the paper work. I have been buzy with work and such. I have not done much grieving at this point. My emotions are still pretty well shut down.
Time will bring that back to me.
I am trying to remember what my father was before Alzheimers. My memories are dominated by his years with it.
- Mike, Friendswood, Texas
> Hi Mike, > How are you doing? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > - Mike, Friendswood Texas Mare - 26 Apr 2004 05:34 GMT Hi Mike, I feel for you. I know what you mean about the shut down emotions. I hope you are right about them coming back soon. I didn't have a chance to grieve my Dad when Mom started this journey. I've just recently gone to see his grave a few times and he passed in 1994. Life...... My biggest fear right now is that I can't remember her before AD. I've started watching old movies and just got a scanner to see what's on those old slides;~) I hope it helps me. Good hearing from you.
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> Doing OK. It has been just about 3 months since my father passed. > Today was his birthday. We were going to go out the veteran's cemetery and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Hi Mike, > > How are you doing? Evelyn Ruut - 26 Apr 2004 11:40 GMT > Doing OK. It has been just about 3 months since my father passed. > Today was his birthday. We were going to go out the veteran's cemetery and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Mike, Friendswood, Texas Mike, you should take some time to look at all your old photos of your Dad and share the good memories with people who knew him too. You know there ought to be a special memorial day for those of us who have gone through the caregiving experience just for that purpose. To remember them as they were beforehand.
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Lee - 25 Apr 2004 05:08 GMT I feel for you, Tom... it's a hell of a job trying to keep that balance re: safety vs happiness & autonomy. In my opinion, given that none of us KNOW what level of function your mom is currently at, or what your situation truly is, some of the responses I've read in here are maybe a tad harsh .... it's awfully easy to assume that everyone we read about with AD is like our own LOs, and to assume that because maybe our LO is beyond something, everyone with AD is also .....
my MIL also goes out independently on occassion ....she insists on walking the dog.....I don't much LIKE it, but at this point, I can't really stop her.... it's damned important to her, and I haven't yet got things set up so that she is never alone (although we're getting very close to that). We're pretty lucky though, in that she is rarely alone for more than an hour or so at a time ... and we're in a small town where everyone knows her, most people know her situation, and she always takes the dog (who is NOT fond of the great outdoors so is constantly wanting to head for home - and she follows) with her .... Won't be long before I will have to take steps to make sure she isn't left alone for any time at all, I suspect.... we're in the process now of adding weekend home care hours for her.... the biggest challenge isn't so much in arranging for her to have constant care, but to get her to accept it... she is pretty damn stubborn and thinks she's just fine... a bit forgetful, that's all.
I do think that if the day care is expressing concern, it's time for another close look at what her capabilities are... it's often easier for non family members to be objective - or to see the changes - than it is for family members .... and even if you decide to leave things the way they are for the time being ... to be VERY aware that the one constant about AD is that everything changes and never for the better .... you may be right to let her to continue limited outings for now... but be very aware that even if she can handle it for now, she won't be able to for long. And of course, if you haven't already, make sure she's got id with the correct address, and is registered with whatever wandering registry is available in your area.
Caregiving is ~such fun~ innit?
> Hi everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Tom Char - 30 Apr 2004 02:05 GMT Lee, you are so right. I don't notice changes in John other than drastic ones. People who haven't seen him for a few weeks notice the changes a lot more.
Always,
Char
> I feel for you, Tom... it's a hell of a job trying to keep that balance re: > safety vs happiness & autonomy. In my opinion, given that none of us KNOW [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > > > Tom
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