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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / March 2004The cause of multiple diseases
I think I might try again with my OPINION about the cause of many diseases. Let me quickly state my perdicament. I have Lyme. This was because a tick bite, this tick had bacteria in it, the bacteria had a virus "living off" it. This is called life(life living off life). I also have a nasty bacteria called strep A. I know too well what being a host to a parasite is like. Reactive infections are infections where the pathogen has "beat" the host. Strep A has a cell wall the same as our tissue, bones, etc. I have a great immune system but I cannot do anything to this bacteria. Many pathogens have developed their own ways to beat the host. AIDS etc. Anyway, to make it short I know that inflamation is part of these diseases and I still firmly believe these diseases are brought on by bacteria,yeast,virus,mold,metal etc.... There is no autoimmune disease, never was. Just my opinion and the opinion of some others who do this for a living. Do what for a living? You also do this, whatever this is? What do these diseases have to do with AD beside the fact that they are ruled out before a diagnosis of probable AD is given?  SignatureMare mfcoleman@THEOLEmindspring.com http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm alt.support.alzheimers' FAQs and Stuff Pages > I think I might try again with my OPINION about the cause of many > diseases. Let me quickly state my perdicament. I have Lyme. This was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Just my opinion and the opinion of some others who do this for a > living. So you and some other marketing people go from group to group or just crosspost to a whole lot of groups. I'm not sure why that qualifies you for the AD newsgroup. What do you know about AD? SignatureMare mfcoleman@THEOLEmindspring.com http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm alt.support.alzheimers' FAQs and Stuff Pages > Do what for a living? You also do this, whatever this is? What do > these diseases have to do with AD beside the fact that they are [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > a > > living. To be blunt, you do not appear to understand the fundamental differences between eukaryotic and prokaryotic cells nor do you have a basic understanding of disease processes. I'd also like to remind you that this is a support group for Alzheimer's disease. Your post has no relevance here. Find another forum to discuss your experiences/theories/etc. >I think I might try again with my OPINION about the cause of many >diseases. Let me quickly state my perdicament. I have Lyme. This was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Just my opinion and the opinion of some others who do this for a >living. >To be blunt, you do not appear to understand the fundamental >differences between eukaryotic and prokaryotic cells nor do you have a [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>Just my opinion and the opinion of some others who do this for a >>living. Look, before a flame war starts up I'll just try to make a point that we can all agree with. Everyone in the medical field agrees that the immune response is activated for theses diseases. MS,ALZ,Cancer,RA. etc. There are two schools of thought. One is that the immune system has "gone awry" therefore we need to supress the immune system. The other theory is that people pick up toxins,bacteria(usefull and nonusefull),viruses,etc. as they grow older. I agree with the latter. It makes sence to me being a host of many unwanted bacteria and viruses. I know what they are doing to me! fyi read the TIMES Feb addition. INFLAMATION the silent killer! they are almost there. >Look, before a flame war starts up I'll just try to make a point that >we can all agree with. Everyone in the medical field agrees that the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >viruses. I know what they are doing to me! fyi read the TIMES Feb >addition. INFLAMATION the silent killer! they are almost there. Inflammation, free radical theory of aging, infectious disease, whatever you want to discuss--this is NOT the appropriate forum especially with the generalizations you make. Not with a whimper but a bang you fall into the company of EddyJean (although I think I'm being nice; you were there some time ago). >>Look, before a flame war starts up I'll just try to make a point that >>we can all agree with. Everyone in the medical field agrees that the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >a bang you fall into the company of EddyJean (although I think I'm >being nice; you were there some time ago). sorry calls em like i sees em. >Inflammation, free radical theory of aging, infectious disease, >whatever you want to discuss--this is NOT the appropriate forum >especially with the generalizations you make. Not with a whimper but >a bang you fall into the company of EddyJean (although I think I'm >being nice; you were there some time ago). This is the kinda sh.t I get when I post that most if not all diseases are from pathogens and not auto-immune. Instead of dialogue I get beat up and down. INSPITE of the fact viruses and bacteria are found in the CNS systom of MS patients, RA is now being treated with antibiotics, etc. I have at least three pathogens and understand what they are capable of. I've read disease after disease. they all point to bacteria,virus,mycolasm, etc. Not enough research is done. I would be yelling at my congressman for more research. thanks for some backup guys but since your from ADP your stupid to began with. right sook. So we are stooopid? Why waste your time with us? What does MS, RA and Lyme have to do with AD except that they are ruled out before diagnosis? Please stop crossposting all your "opinions". SignatureMare mfcoleman@THEOLEmindspring.com http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm alt.support.alzheimers' FAQs and Stuff Pages snip this is NOT the appropriate forum snip > This is the kinda sh.t I get when I post that most if not all diseases > are from pathogens and not auto-immune. Instead of dialogue I get beat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > yelling at my congressman for more research. thanks for some backup > guys but since your from ADP your stupid to began with. right sook. Dali, I have a daughter who has lyme disease, Chronic mono, vasculitis, and was just recently dx with MS. I have read much of the same information that you have and I agree with you about the inflamation, especially after seeing what my daughter has gone through. I havnt ever read about it in relation to AD. and never saw any evidence of it with my mother in law other than she developed allergies( although that can cause inflamation, I dont think it is caused by inflamation) her last year and she had had arthritis for many years. Kay Re: The cause of multiple diseases Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 12:18pm (PST+3) From: umpolung@REMOVEhotmail.com (Darryl) Look, before a flame war starts up I'll just try to make a point that we can all agree with. Everyone in the medical field agrees that the immune response is activated for theses diseases. MS,ALZ,Cancer,RA. etc. There are two schools of thought. One is that the immune system has "gone awry" therefore we need to supress the immune system. The other theory is that people pick up toxins,bacteria(usefull and nonusefull),viruses,etc. as they grow older. I agree with the latter. It makes sence to me being a host of many unwanted bacteria and viruses. I know what they are doing to me! fyi read the TIMES Feb addition. INFLAMATION the silent killer! they are almost there. Inflammation, free radical theory of aging, infectious disease, whatever you want to discuss--this is NOT the appropriate forum especially with the generalizations you make. Not with a whimper but a bang you fall into the company of EddyJean (although I think I'm being nice; you were there some time ago). =========== Dali, don't waste your time on this group. If they don't hear it from the medical profession, they won't believe it. They're right and the layman always wrong, even though we're the ones living with a disease 24/7. They've been so brainwashed into believing the medical profession has all the answers when its nothing but a "hit and miss" approach. The government isn't doing it, and unless someone takes it upon themselves to study neurological diseases, don't expect a cure anytime soon. Alzheimer's was discovered in the late 1800s and still no cure in sight. Ditto for diabetes, ALS, MS, Creutzfeld Jacob Disease, Mad Cow, West Nile, Ebola, epilepsy, etc. etc. Viruses have been ignored much too long and the reason we see new ones cropping up every few months now. One thing I can probably bet on is this: if there is ever a cure to AD, those most vehemently opposed to the view that most diseases are caused by bacteria or viruses, will probably be first in line demanding treatment. EddyJean Actually EddyJean, I don't know that AD is not caused by bacteria or virus' but the research I've seen leads me to believe other causes. I am also a layman who does read and my interpretation of things is different than yours. I do look at all the research going on, I'm just not qualified to actually do any research. I have very little time to do anything besides care for my Mom and try to recover financially from the 7 years I took care of her fulltime. Just repeating over and over that ALL diseases are cased by virus' doesn't really help anyone here, IMO. I'm not even sure what your experience with AD is. At one point you claimed to have been diagnosed but I wasn't clear on that. Another few times you've claimed family members have it and you were a CGer, again that wasn't clear either. The only thing I think I understand from you is that you or some family members have improved after being on antibiotics but that was only temporary. That leads me to believe that whoever had other things going on besides AD or that they didn't really have AD. Yelling at us and insulting us is not helping your cause. IMO SignatureMare mfcoleman@THEOLEmindspring.com http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm alt.support.alzheimers' FAQs and Stuff Pages snip > =========== > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > EddyJean >Re: The cause of multiple diseases > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >EddyJean your probably right eddyjean. the medical establishment is at least looking at inflamation. it's a start. If you dont like my ideas and cant control yourself from idiot remarks like you are wrong because you are dumb, please, please, killfile me. At the very LEAST much, much, more money needs to be put in for trials. >>>I think I might try again with my OPINION about the cause of many >>>diseases. Let me quickly state my perdicament. I have Lyme. This was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >viruses. I know what they are doing to me! fyi read the TIMES Feb >addition. INFLAMATION the silent killer! they are almost there. since the only idiot comment came from U, the other posters clearly were NOT being combative..you were.. Remember all, when a troll is losing an argument, the personal attacks come out..Dali, I accept your invitation and suggest all do the same from the other groups copied..kill file him. SignatureLaura GAYLAN FOR PRESIDENT I am a proud member of the bloodletting aspartame silicone implants gluten dairy mercury amalgam lyme antibiotic incest multiple sclerosis fiboromylagia vaccination reunion committee and survivors group. <troll trap> > If you dont like my ideas and cant control yourself from idiot remarks > like you are wrong because you are dumb, please, please, killfile me. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >viruses. I know what they are doing to me! fyi read the TIMES Feb > >addition. INFLAMATION the silent killer! they are almost there. > since the only idiot comment came from U, the other posters clearly were NOT > being combative..you were.. Remember all, when a troll is losing an > argument, the personal attacks come out..Dali, I accept your invitation and > suggest all do the same from the other groups copied..kill file him. Hey, Dali's alright, certainly not a troll. Think he's just trying to stimulate thinking and discussion. Face it, he and the others he mentions could well be onto something, and no bugger in the med. comm. is practicing anything that works worth a damn. Have a good weekend! Shaun aRe - Hope that clears it up for you. ',;~}~ anyone making comments such as he is making is not trying to help SignatureLaura GAYLAN FOR PRESIDENT I am a proud member of the bloodletting aspartame silicone implants gluten dairy mercury amalgam lyme antibiotic incest multiple sclerosis fiboromylagia vaccination reunion committee and survivors group. <troll trap> > > since the only idiot comment came from U, the other posters clearly were > NOT [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Shaun aRe - Hope that clears it up for you. ',;~}~ >>since the only idiot comment came from U, the other posters clearly were > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > could well be onto something, and no bugger in the med. comm. is practicing > anything that works worth a damn. You're from the druggie newsgroup that this is crossposted to, aren't you? Hmmm...nevermind, a quick google groups archive search confirms that. > Have a good weekend! > > Shaun aRe - Hope that clears it up for you. ',;~}~ Signaturespammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo We from my group are sick of him attacking the good truly medically diagnosed ill people with his bad language and insults. He is not telling us anything we have not heard and that has been disprove. Read my sig for crying out loud..we are all SICK of you trolls.. SignatureLaura GAYLAN FOR PRESIDENT I am a proud member of the bloodletting aspartame silicone implants gluten dairy mercury amalgam lyme antibiotic incest multiple sclerosis fiboromylagia vaccination reunion committee and survivors group. <troll trap> > >>since the only idiot comment came from U, the other posters clearly were > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Shaun aRe - Hope that clears it up for you. ',;~}~ > We from my group are sick of him attacking the good truly medically > diagnosed ill people with his bad language and insults. He is not telling > us anything we have not heard and that has been disprove. Read my sig for > crying out loud..we are all SICK of you trolls.. Troll Dali is a waste. I found that out a while back and blocked the Troll. What is this regarding your sig line? Are you saying that all those groups are where Troll Dali spews his worthless posts? Geez ... the Troll has way too much time on it's hands ... >>> since the only idiot comment came from U, the other posters clearly were >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You're from the druggie newsgroup that this is crossposted to, aren't > you? Hmmm...nevermind, a quick google groups archive search confirms that. Indeed he is, as am I. Rimmer's right though, looking at Dali's posts here he(she?) seems like a good guy (girl?) >> Have a good weekend! >> >> Shaun aRe - Hope that clears it up for you. ',;~}~ Signature-------------- Peace, Delta Nine I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine. - T.D. Shadow > You're from the druggie newsgroup that this is crossposted to, aren't > you? Hmmm...nevermind, a quick google groups archive search confirms that. And you are obviously from alt.molest.littleboys You sick f.cked up mind. A search through yahooga confirms you like getting cornholed by goats. Eat sh.t, we don't communicate with cornholers here. CB SignatureRichard was looking at the bird as if it was the most extraordinary thing he had ever seen in his life, and the bird was looking at Richard as if defying him to find its beak even remotely funny." -- Richard encounters some historical rain forest wildlife. (hitchikers guide to the galaxy) http://personalpages.tds.net/~dcombs3 Contact Buzz <hotblackdessie@yahoo.com> quit loving on the ButtMonkey of Paradise long enough to tell us: > And you are obviously from alt.molest.littleboys > You sick f.cked up mind. A search through yahooga > confirms you like getting cornholed by goats nah, he definitely is from teh sinusitis group; I bet he takes it up his nose all of the time Signature"Guns don't kill people; the government kills people" Dale, King of the Hill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ btw, f.ck the penguin sh.t > Contact Buzz <hotblackdessie@yahoo.com> quit loving on the ButtMonkey of > Paradise long enough to tell us: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > nah, he definitely is from teh sinusitis group; I bet he takes it up his > nose all of the time LMAO, nosejobs! Signature-------------- Peace, Delta Nine I'm tellin' ya D9, you can't go wrong with gallons and gallons of urine. - T.D. Shadow > >>since the only idiot comment came from U, the other posters clearly were > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You're from the druggie newsgroup that this is crossposted to, aren't > you? Hmmm...nevermind, a quick google groups archive search confirms that. It matters not at all which group I posted from. Shaun aRe > Hey, Dali's alright, certainly not a troll. PLONK, you're in the killfile right along with him... > If you dont like my ideas and cant control yourself from idiot remarks > like you are wrong because you are dumb, please, please, killfile me. > At the very LEAST much, much, more money needs to be put in for > trials. Oh, sure, that's it, nobody believes your bullshit because THEY are dumb. That's obviously it. Please explain again how having lyme disease makes you such a preeminent expert on how the medical proffession is entirely wrong about what causes so many diseases? - theoneflasehaddock > >>>I think I might try again with my OPINION about the cause of many > >>>diseases. Let me quickly state my perdicament. I have Lyme. This was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >viruses. I know what they are doing to me! fyi read the TIMES Feb > >addition. INFLAMATION the silent killer! they are almost there. >Oh, sure, that's it, nobody believes your bullshit because THEY are >dumb. That's obviously it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >- >theoneflasehaddock Because they damn near killed me. At first they told me ther is no Lyme and laughed at strep pyogene even when I brought CDC stuff in. I dont want to sound arrogant. It's just that the answers are coming in and it is taking the medical establishment a very long time to get in on it. I'm just reporting on what I'm seeing, and that is if you take a look at each disease, reactive infections seems to me to be the most simple and correct explanation. Dosn't mean it will be easy. look how hard AIDS is to keep under control. It is very old news that Lyme sufferers have had a fight on their hands getting treatment. What does this have to do with AD and this newsgroup? Do you know the steps to diagnose AD? Perhaps you should find out before you continue. SignatureMare mfcoleman@THEOLEmindspring.com http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm alt.support.alzheimers' FAQs and Stuff Pages > >Oh, sure, that's it, nobody believes your bullshit because THEY are > >dumb. That's obviously it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > simple and correct explanation. Dosn't mean it will be easy. look how > hard AIDS is to keep under control. you are r i g h t> If you dont like my ideas and cant control yourself from idiot remarks > like you are wrong because you are dumb, please, please, killfile me. > At the very LEAST much, much, more money needs to be put in for [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >viruses. I know what they are doing to me! fyi read the TIMES Feb > >addition. INFLAMATION the silent killer! they are almost there. > I think I might try again with my OPINION about the cause of many > diseases. Let me quickly state my perdicament. I have Lyme. This was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Just my opinion and the opinion of some others who do this for a > living. You list metal as a cause of diseases (poisoning and disease are not the same thing, unless you are very, very stupid) yet you're telling us autoimmine diseases don't exist (based on the evidence that you have lyme disease, which so obviously prooves the nonexistence of autoimmune diseases). Just out of curiousity, what is it you are claiming you do for a living? Study diseases by babbling, post crap to usenet, or rationalize your stupid beliefs based on the fact you have a disease, so you obviously know much about other diseases? -- theoneflasehaddock >You list metal as a cause of diseases (poisoning and disease are not >the same thing, unless you are very, very stupid) yet you're telling [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >rationalize your stupid beliefs based on the fact you have a disease, >so you obviously know much about other diseases? Dont like metals huh. go eat some paint chips and tell me what happens. A person can have a buildup of unwanted metals in their system. This is reactive infection in that it is an unwanted item in the host. There is a cure for metal toxicity. All I'm saying is that rule out the above items before you say ok i give up. I was a highly paid mark to market accountant before this caused me to stay at home.. s/b 3-6 months tell i'm back on my feet. |
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