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Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 02:23 GMT
I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else has
had the same situation.  My mother stays angry most of the time.  When I get
home from work and speak to her she usually responds with a sharp remark.  I
will fix dinner for us and call her and it makes her furious.  No matter how
gently or kindly or softly I speak to her she gets mad.  She gets really,
really mad if I tell her that she needs to bathe before bed or if I try to
adjust a piece of clothing.  She was a kind person before but now she uses
vulgar language and threatens all kinds of things.  It seems that her
frustration is getting worse and worse.  I have gotten to the point that I
try to communicate in ways other than verbal.  I motion for her to come eat
dinner and such.  However, it also infuriates her if I do anything that
remotely appears to be "taking care" of her.  Especially in public like
holding her arm as she steps up into a store or Dr. office.  But, she falls
some and needs a little help with balance.

She is taking Zoloft which is supposed to help her mood.  She takes 150MG
daily with 100MG in the morning and 50MG at night.  Actually the Dr said to
do the 50MG in the morning and 100MG at night but it interfered with her
sleep.  She sleeps much better the other way around.  She is also on Reminyl
rather than Aricept.  She takes other meds too.
Lee - 02 Mar 2004 02:42 GMT
sounds like your mom is more consistently angry than my MIL was.... although
she did have her moments (including one very memorable all out temper
tantrum).... and was also very resistant to being 'taken care of' ... she's
mellowed though....  not necessarily a good sign when it happens though.

The one thing that's consistant about AD is that nothing stays the same...
this too shall pass....

certainly worth discussing again with her doctor though... might be other
things that could be tried.

> I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else has
> had the same situation.  My mother stays angry most of the time.  When I get
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> sleep.  She sleeps much better the other way around.  She is also on Reminyl
> rather than Aricept.  She takes other meds too.
Patty - 02 Mar 2004 03:14 GMT
Hi Greg,
Maybe it's time to have her Meds evaluated again? I know when you have
increased agitation an adjustment in her meds may help your cause.

Do you find that between let say 3-4 PM she is worse? Usually that's
when most AD Residents have sun-downing, and maybe loud noises or
anything else may increase her anxieties and agatation.
Just a thought......Patty
Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 20:41 GMT
Well, she is worse in the evenings.  I have read about sun-downing but I
don't know enough about any of this to know if that is what it is.  She
seems mad all the time, regardless of the time of day.  She has been on
Zoloft a long time and the dosage has been increased several times.  Maybe
it is time to consider something else.  Thanks for the post.

> Hi Greg,
> Maybe it's time to have her Meds evaluated again? I know when you have
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> anything else may increase her anxieties and agatation.
> Just a thought......Patty
EddyJean - 02 Mar 2004 08:15 GMT

Behavior and frustration  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Mon, Mar 1, 2004, 9:23pm (PST+3)
From: fost5097@bellsouth.net (Greg F)
I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else
has had the same situation. My mother stays angry most of the time. When
I get home from work and speak to her she usually responds with a sharp
remark. I will fix dinner for us and call her and it makes her furious.
No matter how gently or kindly or softly I speak to her she gets mad.
She gets really, really mad if I tell her that she needs to bathe before
bed or if I try to adjust a piece of clothing. She was a kind person
before but now she uses vulgar language and threatens all kinds of
things. It seems that her frustration is getting worse and worse. I have
gotten to the point that I try to communicate in ways other than verbal.
I motion for her to come eat dinner and such. However, it also
infuriates her if I do anything that remotely appears to be "taking
care" of her. Especially in public like holding her arm as she steps up
into a store or Dr. office. But, she falls some and needs a little help
with balance.
She is taking Zoloft which is supposed to help her mood. She takes 150MG
daily with 100MG in the morning and 50MG at night. Actually the Dr said
to do the 50MG in the morning and 100MG at night but it interfered with
her sleep. She sleeps much better the other way around. She is also on
Reminyl rather than Aricept. She takes other meds too.
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Greg:  Do you recall if your mother fell before she took Zoloft?  I
suspect her medicine may not be agreeing with her and suggest you report
this to her doctor.  Many cannot tolerate Zoloft at 150mg. Some can't
tolerate it at 0.25mg or at a dosage even less than this.

Eddyjean
Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 20:43 GMT
She has been on Zoloft for quite some time.  The dosage has been invcreased
several times and the present dosage has been the same for 6 or 8 months.  I
will talk to the Dr. about it.  She has an appointment in about 1-1/2 weeks.
Maybe it is time to try something else for a while.  Thanks for the post.

Behavior and frustration

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Mon, Mar 1, 2004, 9:23pm (PST+3)
From: fost5097@bellsouth.net (Greg F)
I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else
has had the same situation. My mother stays angry most of the time. When
I get home from work and speak to her she usually responds with a sharp
remark. I will fix dinner for us and call her and it makes her furious.
No matter how gently or kindly or softly I speak to her she gets mad.
She gets really, really mad if I tell her that she needs to bathe before
bed or if I try to adjust a piece of clothing. She was a kind person
before but now she uses vulgar language and threatens all kinds of
things. It seems that her frustration is getting worse and worse. I have
gotten to the point that I try to communicate in ways other than verbal.
I motion for her to come eat dinner and such. However, it also
infuriates her if I do anything that remotely appears to be "taking
care" of her. Especially in public like holding her arm as she steps up
into a store or Dr. office. But, she falls some and needs a little help
with balance.
She is taking Zoloft which is supposed to help her mood. She takes 150MG
daily with 100MG in the morning and 50MG at night. Actually the Dr said
to do the 50MG in the morning and 100MG at night but it interfered with
her sleep. She sleeps much better the other way around. She is also on
Reminyl rather than Aricept. She takes other meds too.
                   =============

Greg:  Do you recall if your mother fell before she took Zoloft?  I
suspect her medicine may not be agreeing with her and suggest you report
this to her doctor.  Many cannot tolerate Zoloft at 150mg. Some can't
tolerate it at 0.25mg or at a dosage even less than this.

Eddyjean
Darryl - 02 Mar 2004 21:02 GMT
Greg,

Have you taken your Mom to see a neurologist yet?  It sounds to me
like she needs a full workup for dementia by a doctor that specializes
in geriatric disorders.  If I recall correctly, you do not have a
proper diagnosis yet (forgive me if you have).  Remember that you have
a memory of the daily wars you engage in; your Mother may not.

Take care,
Darryl.

>She has been on Zoloft for quite some time.  The dosage has been invcreased
>several times and the present dosage has been the same for 6 or 8 months.  I
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>Eddyjean
Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 23:32 GMT
Yes I have taken her to Emory's Memory Assessment Center.  We stayed about
half a day.  They had her do several tests. written and physical.  For
research purposes they tested me too but not as extensively.  The Dr. agreed
that it was Dementia of the Alzheimer's type.  He is the one that boosted
her Zoloft from 100MG daily to 150MG daily.

> Greg,
>
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> >
> >Eddyjean
Patty - 03 Mar 2004 00:49 GMT
I have a couple of things to mention...

First of all....Alzheimer Residents have a very hard time with showers
and hairwashing....as you all know. Believe me, this is not uncommon for
them. We have to coax and cue them, but it has to get done. I think that
everything you do should be told to them....whatever you are going to
do. They will object at times, but it is better than the element of
surprise, which I think will scare and agitate them even more.

As far as the swearing and agrresiveness....once their meds are adjusted
and working, most likely that will  subside. Family Members tell me all
the time....Mom/Dad never, ever swore in her life...but they end up
doing the exact opposite...and some that never swore....they will swear
up a storm.
Same thing with Food and drink. My Mom/Dad never ate meat....they do
now.
My Mom/Dad never drank milk....they do now. So everything changes.

And I do believe....all you caregivers should make plans to get away
from time to time...or as often as you can. You need a break....You owe
it to yourselves to get away from all your problems for a day or two and
often. You cannot continue to care for your loved ones day in and day
out without some sort of release!!!!!
And I cannot stress that enough.....Patty  

           

 
Beth - 03 Mar 2004 01:14 GMT
>everything you do should be told to them<

Patty,  Your suggestions are right on target, except this one may need some
caution.  Many of our ADLOs become aphasic as the result of brain damage.
This means that the processing of language is impaired.  It's fairly obvious
when their words come out wrong, but it can be less obvious that the words
you are saying to them make any sense.  There's also the possibility of
hearing losses.  Although common courtesy demands explanations, be aware
that explanations with some can result in frustration and agitated
behavior-particularly if they pick up from the tone of your voice that an
answer is required.

I just attended a seminar on caregiving techniques and one is to just slow
down and allow ample time for processing..up to 30 seconds for each
request.(Try timing that....10 seconds is long, never mind 30).  Also
non-verbal cueing and trying to trigger automatic responses can be
successful.  As one whose MIL has this issue....less verbage, the better.

Beth, Physical Therapist
Patty - 03 Mar 2004 03:24 GMT
Hi Beth,
You are also right....Maybe I meant that in a broader sense....That
is.....
Everything you do to get things done for them should be done slowly. Go
at their pace, because rushing them can also result in more frustration
for them.

Another thing we do around sun-downing time, is to "lower" things in the
room i.e.......music, tv, and our voices. Loud stimulation at this time
can be very annoying to our People. This causes many outbursts, and can
easily stir up many in the room to join-in!  So it's best to try and
keep the volume of the noise level to the bare minimal.........Patty
Patty - 03 Mar 2004 03:32 GMT
Another thing I forgot to mention which may be a factor in some cases. A
person may have a UTI or some oher infecton which can throw everything
off within their body unless they are put on an antibiotic....I have
seen many personality changes from an infection of some kind, and this
too is not unusual........Patty
Evelyn Ruut - 03 Mar 2004 12:27 GMT
> >everything you do should be told to them<
>
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>
> Beth, Physical Therapist

Hi Beth,

Ida is deaf in one ear and hearing impaired in the other one.   She doesn't
wear her hearing aid in the shower.   I have to do everything gently and by
signals.

She tries to rush the shower in the beginning, saying "OK rinse off" every
two seconds, but relaxes and gets into it after she is soaped up.   If I
tried to tell her what I was going to do each time, it wouldn't get done.

Surprisingly I have NO resistance to showering from her, because I am gentle
and considerate in my actions and get her approval of water temperature etc.
and I initiate each step of the shower.   She doesn't fear or resist
showering at all, but she did in the beginning.

A big clue is that I get her in the early morning when she is undressed
anyway, or in the evening when she is being undressed for bed.   I never ask
her, say....in mid-day, to disrobe and take a shower.

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Greg F - 03 Mar 2004 02:22 GMT
With my Mom it is more like she just doesn't want to be bothered by bathing
or eating or whatever I am trying to get her to do.  It is almost like it
insults her that I am caring for her.  She has really grown to resent me, or
at least it appears that way.  I have also noticed that when she is a little
sick or not feeling well she acts a little better and is easier to care for.
At other times it is a fight to get her to the dinner table but when she
finally starts eating she eats like a pig and then wants a snack in a little
while.  BTW, I encourage her to eat as much as she wants.  She is just skin
and bones.

Also, thank you for your thoughts about caregivers taking a break.  I needed
to hear that.

> I have a couple of things to mention...
>
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> out without some sort of release!!!!!
> And I cannot stress that enough.....Patty
Patty - 03 Mar 2004 03:47 GMT
Hi Greg,
About caregivers taking a break....
Please.....Please......Please....Do not feel guilty!
No one understands that more than I do. Remember I may not work with
someone at home everyday, but I do have 43 Residents all week, and by
the time Friday comes I am totally exhausted. But I can recoupe myself
over the week-end.

You have to get out and look forward to getting out. That is your time
to do what makes you happy. And by getting out of the house and away
from the situation, you will re-charge your batteries to be able to deal
with what is ahead......as well as looking forward to your happy time,
and I would suggest no less than once a week. Oh Greg....I can't express
that enough. You all have such a hard job every single day. You all
deserve a break..........Patty
Nancy Young - 03 Mar 2004 15:55 GMT
> First of all....Alzheimer Residents have a very hard time with showers
> and hairwashing....as you all know. Believe me, this is not uncommon for
> them.

Eerie how common the experiences are.

> As far as the swearing and agrresiveness....once their meds are adjusted
> and working, most likely that will  subside. Family Members tell me all
> the time....Mom/Dad never, ever swore in her life...but they end up
> doing the exact opposite...and some that never swore....they will swear
> up a storm.

My mil landed in the hospital (for no reason, but that's another
story).  Now, my fil was the kindest, most gentle man I have ever
met.  My husband says he never laid a hand on him growing up.  How
many of us can say that?  I sure can't.

Well, they were walking down the hall of the hospital and my fil
became SPITTING mad, infuriated, and told his favorite son, if she
dies, I'm going to SHOOT you.  Woah.  Don't get me wrong, the man
didn't have a gun, but that's how angry and confused he was.  You
really can't take the anger personally.  You'll just upset yourself.

And, yeah, you need to find someone to let you take time off.  Can
you afford for someone to come in and take over for a bit?  For a
time I paid (with the inlaw's money) for someone to come in 5 days
a week for, say, 8 hours.  I think it came to about $600.  Yes, that
is a lot for a week.  Half of the money went to the service, perhaps
you could find someone willing to work without the service for less.
Even if you only have them 2 or 3 days a week, you have to do
something.  

Good luck to you.  All of you.

nancy
Evelyn Ruut - 02 Mar 2004 13:16 GMT
> I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else has
> had the same situation.  My mother stays angry most of the time.  When I get
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> sleep.  She sleeps much better the other way around.  She is also on Reminyl
> rather than Aricept.  She takes other meds too.

I don't have any suggestions other than perhaps some med adjustment as
others have said, but I do have a couple of comments.

My mother in law also imagines she needs no help with getting up or getting
dressed etc.    For some reason I have better luck with her than my husband
does.   I hold out my hand and let HER decide if she is going to take my
help rather than what he does, which is to automatically assume she is ready
to be helped.   She will always take my hand when I hold it out to help her
rise or whatever.

Somehow the connection with her son makes for a different perception of the
help being offered.   I realize it could be nothing particular you are
doing, and could all be coming from her, but that is just an observation
from my own situation.   You could try waiting till she reaches for your
hand or to steady herself before reaching for her and see if it helps.

A friend of mine who spent some extended time in a hospital told me that
brain injuries cause unbelievable anger and that even the gentlest person
will curse and display great anger in early stages of recuperation from
brain injury.    As you are aware, Alzheimers is a brain illness, and their
brain is slowly de-constructing all their memories and what and who they
are.   I am wondering if this same kind of anger could be manifesting as the
brain continues to deteriorate?

This is just thinking aloud.

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Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 20:45 GMT
I have no idea really.  This is an awful disease.  I pray to G-d it is not
hereditary.

> > I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else has
> > had the same situation.  My mother stays angry most of the time.  When I
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> This is just thinking aloud.
Dali - 02 Mar 2004 16:27 GMT
I go into rages because of toxins in my system. I found Clonazapam
works wonders. This is a seditive so I do not know if it is part of AZ
treatment. BUT It will calm a person down. Definately talk to your Dr.
about this.

>I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else has
>had the same situation.  My mother stays angry most of the time.  When I get
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>sleep.  She sleeps much better the other way around.  She is also on Reminyl
>rather than Aricept.  She takes other meds too.
Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 20:45 GMT
Might be a thought.

> I go into rages because of toxins in my system. I found Clonazapam
> works wonders. This is a seditive so I do not know if it is part of AZ
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> >sleep.  She sleeps much better the other way around.  She is also on Reminyl
> >rather than Aricept.  She takes other meds too.
Tom Wieken - 02 Mar 2004 17:33 GMT
My mom is the same way.  She will get mad at me for suggesting that she wash
her hair.  We have a war every week.  I think that it is the frustration of
AD.  They can no longer reason and I have read that they actually get afraid
of the water causing them pain.

Living with an AD patient is the worst experience I have ever had.  It hurts
my marriage and I am watching a great mom die slowly.

The worst of all is that our great government doesn't give a dam.  There is
not one good program that covers AD that I can find, unless they are broke.
This is another reason we need better people in power.

> I am having a problem with my mother and was wondering if anyone else has
> had the same situation.  My mother stays angry most of the time.  When I get
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> sleep.  She sleeps much better the other way around.  She is also on Reminyl
> rather than Aricept.  She takes other meds too.
Evelyn Ruut - 02 Mar 2004 19:11 GMT
> My mom is the same way.  She will get mad at me for suggesting that she wash
> her hair.  We have a war every week.  I think that it is the frustration of
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> not one good program that covers AD that I can find, unless they are broke.
> This is another reason we need better people in power.

Tom I always sneak the hair washing in with the bath.   I get her sitting on
the shower chair and I am holding the shower head on a hose, and Whoops!  I
put a handful of shampoo on her head.   After that she is okay with it.

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spam2death - 02 Mar 2004 19:19 GMT
> The worst of all is that our great government doesn't give a dam.  There is
> not one good program that covers AD that I can find, unless they are broke.
> This is another reason we need better people in power.

Amen.  Throw the kleptocrats out now before middle class living is gone
forever.

To the original poster, the "mean" stage is definitely a very tough stage
for the caregiver. My MIL gives my wife much more trouble than me. For some
reason the MIL has no problem giving a relative grief, but she is more
cooperative and polite to me and also less manipulative - most of the time.

I reply to a mean response with a joke (otherwise you get pissed off and
say things you regret and both people suffer). I tell her we'll  have to cut
back on her meaness pills and casually let her no she isn't being polite.
Sometimes this helps, sometimes it doesn't.

My MIL is mostly already thru the mean stage, and for this I'm very
grateful. I don't envy your situation.

good luck  s2d
Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 20:51 GMT
I try to stay happy and carefree about it all but sometimes it is just more
than I can smile through.  I am definitely responding to the stress.  On
March 18th it will be a full year of this intense caregiving.  I hope Mom
and I can hold on.

> > The worst of all is that our great government doesn't give a dam.  There
> is
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>
> good luck  s2d
Dennis P. Harris - 03 Mar 2004 07:41 GMT
> I try to stay happy and carefree about it all but sometimes it is just more
> than I can smile through.  I am definitely responding to the stress.  On
> March 18th it will be a full year of this intense caregiving.  I hope Mom
> and I can hold on.

when you can't do it yourself, there is no shame in asking for
help, from either respite caregivers in your home or a day care,
or by placing her where she can be cared for and you can spend
your time with her in a less stressful situation.
Greg F - 02 Mar 2004 20:48 GMT
I understand.  Mom and I have a war every day about something.  This is
indeed the most difficult thing I have ever endured.  My father was an
invalid before he died 23 years ago and I helped care for him too.  But it
was not as bad as this.  I am caring for Mom alone and am about to go stark
raving mad most of the time.

> My mom is the same way.  She will get mad at me for suggesting that she wash
> her hair.  We have a war every week.  I think that it is the frustration of
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> Reminyl
> > rather than Aricept.  She takes other meds too.
Mary Gordon - 03 Mar 2004 12:44 GMT
Greg, then its time to look ahead with flinty eyed realism, and start
making some plans. The operating phrase that you need to instill in
your head is "this is as good as it gets - and it gets worse, much
worse." And, the relentless slide can take years, particularly if the
person is otherwise relatively healthy. My MIL survived about 6 years
beyond the point your mother is in now.

I'm not saying you need to do anything to change the situation today,
but you do have to figure out what's next so you are ready. You are
very unlikely to be able to keep on keeping on "with the you at work,
her at home alone" idea much longer, and before it comes to crisis,
have a plan ready to implement - because that is much less stressful
than having to scramble in the middle of a mess.

Figure out your options, do your research, call local agencies, find
out about programs, facilities, for hire caregivers, costs, ideas,
alternatives. Go look at various places and programs. Plan for the
worst case, and then be pleasantly surprised if things plateau for a
while.

I think its particularly difficult for a son looking after a mother
alone, since before too long, toileting, hygiene and dressing issues
will rear their ugly heads - plus a loss of a sense of modesty and
social appropriateness. My husband used to be completely moritified
when his mother began to pull her shirt up and adjust her bra, reach
her hand up under her skirt to yank at her underwear, wipe her nose on
her sweater etc. - and that was only about 1/3 into the illness. He
could no more have given her a bath than flown to the moon.

You also might want to consider that your mother will loose her
ability to learn and adapt, so moves now are often easier on them then
later. A good assisted living facility might actually be something
she'd really enjoy, if for no other reason than having people to talk
to and things to do during the day. Many people really blossom when
they are no longer isolated and alone at home. There are also many
places that offer graduated care, so a person can start off relatively
independent and have the care ramp up as they need it. You could spin
a place like that as just a great seniors apartment place with fun
social programs.

Alzheimers is so different than other diseases. With most illnesses,
the time line for needing intense care is relatively short - and the
time when things look bleak and hopeless is also relatively short.
With Alzheimer's, not only can it go on for years and years, but the
very best you can hope for a brief plateau - i.e. there is no
miraculous cure, no reversal, nothing but gradually sliding down,
down, down. It forces you to really be realistic about what you can
handle, and look at the bigger picture - you have to be able to
distinguish between what you wish you could do, and what you really
can do, and base plans on the latter. No one benefits if the caregiver
can't cope or do the job adequately - your mother needs you in one
piece.

So, start thinking about your alternatives - if not a move, than
something other than leaving her alone and unsupervised during the
day. Don't be naive - and don't find out she's past the point that
this is safe by getting a call that there has been an accident or some
other disaster (fires, floods, letting strangers in, getting into
pills, cleansers, appliances, getting lost, falls etc. etc.)

Mary G.
Patty - 03 Mar 2004 13:11 GMT
Great post, Mary. Lots of good points to be considered here....Patty

           

 
Howard Goldstein - 03 Mar 2004 13:22 GMT
:
:  I think its particularly difficult for a son looking after a mother
:  alone, since before too long, toileting, hygiene and dressing issues
:  will rear their ugly heads - plus a loss of a sense of modesty and
:  social appropriateness. My husband used to be completely moritified
:  when his mother began to pull her shirt up and adjust her bra, reach
:  her hand up under her skirt to yank at her underwear, wipe her nose on
:  her sweater etc. - and that was only about 1/3 into the illness. He
:  could no more have given her a bath than flown to the moon.
:

Mary probably won't see this response since she's a googler but I post
with the X-N-A header which I regret for this article as she is so
right on.  For about a year and a half, pre-incontinence and when
there were still vestiges of modesty remaining it was possible (but
not easy by any means) to pull 60 hours a week as primary caregiver
and do a decent job, but even that was possible only with plenty of
support from my fiancee to handle the hygiene and "womens'" issues.

Consider this an <aol>m3 t00</aol> and good luck
Tumbleweed - 04 Mar 2004 01:20 GMT
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> Consider this an <aol>m3 t00</aol> and good luck

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EddyJean - 04 Mar 2004 00:08 GMT
The worst of all is that our great government doesn't give a dam. There
is not one good program that covers AD that I can find, unless they are
broke. This is another reason we need better people in power.
Tom Wiegan
                   ---------------
Tom,  I couldn't agree with you more. Government appropriates billions
overnight for war and outerspace, but when it comes to medical research;
strangely, there's not enough money. You hit the nail on the head.
Government could care less about us. They don't want to pay out benefits
but want the money all to themselves. Tommy Thompson, U.S. Secretary of
Health, is not a doctor but a businessman.  A friend of a friend. You
scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. This is what we've got running
our government. We're the ones paying them but getting nothing in
return.

Eddyjean
smada@webtv.net - 04 Mar 2004 03:06 GMT
Eddyjean

I ,for one, would appreciate it if you could stop your spewing hate of
our  gov't  with
every post.

We caretakers have enough hate for AD  & the predicament it leaves us in
without your adding to it..  I do not see where you feel you are in any
way helping  us get thru this by reminding us of things some  may
already feel..  
I know when I feel  particularly angry I would like to stamp my feet,
while saying it's not fair, yada yada, yada  jump up and down like
Rumplestiltskin etc-----OR---whatever----
I have at times been tempted to vent ,,,BUT---- please !!!!! don't add
to our frustration.
Florence

sorry if I sound mean again
Dennis P. Harris - 04 Mar 2004 04:42 GMT
> Eddyjean
>
> I ,for one, would appreciate it if you could stop your spewing hate of
> our  gov't  with
>  every post.

florence, just "block sender" him, and you'll never see another
one of his posts.  it's useless to answer him, because his radio
is stuck on transmit.
EddyJean - 04 Mar 2004 07:03 GMT

Re: Behavior and frustration  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Mar 3, 2004, 9:06pm (PST+2)
From: smada@webtv.net
Eddyjean
I ,for one, would appreciate it if you could stop your spewing hate of
our gov't with
  every post.
We caretakers have enough hate for AD & the predicament it leaves us in
without your adding to it.. I do not see where you feel you are in any
way helping us get thru this by reminding us of things some may already
feel..
I know when I feel particularly angry I would like to stamp my feet,
while saying it's not fair, yada yada, yada jump up and down like
Rumplestiltskin etc-----OR---whatever----
I have at times been tempted to vent ,,,BUT---- please !!!!! don't add
to our frustration.
Florence
sorry if I sound mean again

Florence,
I know it's  difficult  to care for an AD patient, but I'm not exactly
living in a bed of roses myself. My family and relatives suffered from
AD for many, many years.  if you like the way things are, who am I to
argue with that. The government could find a cure to AD but won't unless
people unite and demand it.  If my posts frustrate you, all you have to
do is change the channel.  We live in serious times.  Wake up woman!  

Eddyjean
Darryl - 04 Mar 2004 12:50 GMT
>Florence,
>I know it's  difficult  to care for an AD patient, but I'm not exactly
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>people unite and demand it.  If my posts frustrate you, all you have to
>do is change the channel.  We live in serious times.  Wake up woman!  

I had to remove my filters to pick up some context and what do I see?
Eddy, I'm sorry for your plight but we are not responsible for
physical and mental anguish.  Get off your soapbox and be proactive.
Start a campaign against the evildoers; fund a study; call Alex Jones;
call your local television station; do something.  

From your post, you indicate that your family and relatives have
suffered from AD for "many, many years".  Surely the NIH or CDC would
be interested in such a phenomenon.  

And while you're at it, lay off the antibiotics because after all, we
live in serious times and one day that antibiotic may save your life.

Plonk in T-2 days.

Sorry,
Darryl.
EddyJean - 05 Mar 2004 04:18 GMT

Re: Behavior and frustration  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Thu, Mar 4, 2004, 7:50am (PST+3)
From: umpolung@REMOVEhotmail.com (Darryl)
Florence,
I know it's difficult to care for an AD patient, but I'm not exactly
living in a bed of roses myself. My family and relatives suffered from
AD for many, many years. if you like the way things are, who am I to
argue with that. The government could find a cure to AD but won't unless
people unite and demand it. If my posts frustrate you, all you have to
do is change the channel. We live in serious times. Wake up woman!
I had to remove my filters to pick up some context and what do I see?
Eddy, I'm sorry for your plight but we are not responsible for physical
and mental anguish. Get off your soapbox and be proactive. Start a
campaign against the evildoers; fund a study; call Alex Jones; call your
local television station; do something.
From your post, you indicate that your family and relatives have
suffered from AD for "many, many years". Surely the NIH or CDC would be
interested in such a phenomenon.
And while you're at it, lay off the antibiotics because after all, we
live in serious times and one day that antibiotic may save your life.
Plonk in T-2 days.
Sorry,
Darryl.  

I'm very proactive to find a cure to AD. This is why I know about the
"do-nothin" actions of our government. If you think NIH and CDC are
working to find a cure, your in for a BIG  surprise. If you get a
brochure from NIH, you should feel lucky just to get that. Unless your
loaded with the green stuff, its very difficult for the average Joe or
Jane to get into NIH  (NINDS) on neurological studies. I agree,
antibiotics are overused (discovered in the 1940s), but the reason
they're overused,  there's nothing else to fight viruses. There's
hundreds of viruses out there and few studied except Aids and Hepatitis.
We wouldn't need to be so reliant on antibiotics if the pharmaceutical
companies formulated medicines that specifically targeted viruses. NIH
is supported by the taxpayer but answer to no one. People suffer and
dying needlessly because most believe the medical profession is doing
all they can when nothing is getting done.  I'm sorry too if the truth
offends but that's the way it is. Like it or not.

Eddyjean
Darryl - 05 Mar 2004 04:51 GMT
But what are you DOING besides talking?  You seem so convinced that
antibiotics are the cure to all that ails us, that I'm starting to
believe it too.  Unfortunately, your recent posts do nothing to
support your theory or provoke useful discussion.  The truth offends?
Naw, the truth can hurt although broken records do offend.

Darryl.

>Re: Behavior and frustration  
>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
>Eddyjean
Dennis P. Harris - 05 Mar 2004 09:50 GMT
> But what are you DOING besides talking?  

it's useless.  not worth anyone's time.
Darryl - 05 Mar 2004 12:19 GMT
>> But what are you DOING besides talking?  
>
>it's useless.  not worth anyone's time.

I am determined to get at least one straight answer.  ;-)  
Evelyn Ruut - 05 Mar 2004 14:05 GMT
> >> But what are you DOING besides talking?
> >
> >it's useless.  not worth anyone's time.
>
> I am determined to get at least one straight answer.  ;-)

Darryl,

The greatest determination is still no match for stubborn, unfounded,
neurotic, pigheaded belief.
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Evelyn

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EddyJean - 05 Mar 2004 16:42 GMT
You seem so convinced that antibiotics are the cure to all that ails us,
that I'm starting to believe it too.
Darryl.

Get it right, Darryl. I've never posted  antibiotics cure anything but
do HELP cut viral infections. Thank God for that since there' nothing
else to fight back viruses. I hate to say it, but the truth  does offend
this group brainwashed by the medical profession. (except for those few
with an open mind). The message is: the government and medical
profession are doing NOTHING to find a cure to AD. Simple as that!
Except on Aids and Hepatitis, there's NO research on the hundreds of
viruses out there.  Period!

Eddyjean
Evelyn Ruut - 04 Mar 2004 12:59 GMT
Florence, I have blocked Eddyjean and the newsgroup is a better place for me
now.
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Evelyn

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> Eddyjean
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> sorry if I sound mean again
EddyJean - 05 Mar 2004 16:47 GMT
Florence, I have blocked Eddyjean and the newsgroup is a better place
for me now.
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Evelyn
                  =========

If you blocked my posts, why are you here now?

Eddyjean

Darryl - 05 Mar 2004 17:23 GMT
Probably in part because I was foolish enough to turn off my filters
and attempt a conversation.  

Sorry everyone!  ;-)

Darryl.
 
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