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Evelyn Ruut - 25 Feb 2004 21:14 GMT
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the newest antibiotic-pusher poster sure sounds like Eddyjean

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Tumbleweed - 25 Feb 2004 22:36 GMT
> ?????????
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> the newest antibiotic-pusher poster sure sounds like Eddyjean

:-)   I was wondering exactly the same!

But unfortunately there is an unlimited supply of loonies.

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Dali - 26 Feb 2004 01:03 GMT
Tell me about it. I have a great time at my group then come here
and...
funny if wasn't so damn sad.

>But unfortunately there is an unlimited supply of loonies.
Lee - 26 Feb 2004 04:35 GMT
if not, a close relative, perhaps?

or maybe it's just me...I'm cranky tonight...  *sigh*  What an idiot I am
.... made all sorts of arrangments for the dog....people to come over and
put her 'bag' on and take her out, so my MIL wouldn't have to remember to
put the bag on...... but if she can't remember to put the stOOpid plastic
bag on the dog's leg, what the **** made me think she'd remember not to let
the dog out anyway?

got home from work to hear (repeatedly, of course) about all the times she
took her out 'just for a little bit'

did I mention I'm an idiot? I should have just said to heck with it and put
the stOOpid bag on and left it .... in spite of the vet saying that that was
not a good idea...  will do the next time I work a wednesday (very rare, so
we don't have home care set up for em, unfortunately)

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Robert E. Lewis - 26 Feb 2004 19:11 GMT
> ?????????
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> the newest antibiotic-pusher poster sure sounds like Eddyjean

I wondered that a bit, too.  I started to write a reply to his first post,
then decided there was no point - AD and everything else may be curable with
antibiotics, but I suspect there are no cures for some delusions.

ObAD:  My father wandered by my desk earlier this evening and remarked that
he was very happy that he had seen lots of movies on television in the past
three or four days.  "Usually," he explained, 'They run a lot of movies I've
seen before, but now they're running movies I haven't seen.'  I've just been
leaving the satellite receiver tuned to American Movie Classics whenever I'm
not watching anything else or am going out, and he's watching things *I*
remember watching with him. But it's the one pleasant thing about AD, if
nothing else - he gets to watch lots of 'new' movies, with John Wayne and
Rosalind Russell and Charles Laughton et al.

--
Robert
Evelyn Ruut - 26 Feb 2004 21:28 GMT
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> Robert

Yes.... and you get to meet a whole bunch of new friends every day :-)

I often leave the AMC channel on for Ida too.
She loves the old musicals and seeing movie stars from her younger days.
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EddyJean - 27 Feb 2004 08:13 GMT

Did our Eddyjean troll come back under a new net name?  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 9:14pm (PST+8)
From: mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com (Evelyn Ruut)
?????????
the newest antibiotic-pusher poster sure sounds like Eddyjean
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No, Evelyn, sorry to disappoint you, but I've never left.  I'm not the
poster your referring to, nor have I had anyone else post for me.  I'm
happy to see others beginning to see the light however.  
There were some things said to this poster I'm responding to.  Depending
on the severity of the disease, in most cases, nothing abnormal shows up
on MRI's, CT scans and test results normal.  This was discussed before,
why is nothing showing up in these tests?  The reason is: AD is caused
by a virus and viruses rarely circulate in the blood but move into the
cells.  The patient is given a clean bill of health when nothing could
be further from the truth but living near the edge.  If the 'Great
Minds' studied the hundreds of viruses out there killing us right and
left, then maybe we'd finally get somethwere.  Remember, folks, AD was
discovered in the late 1800s but brag to the world we have the best
healthcare?????  Give me a break!  Oh, Robert, if the poster you
responded to can offer only guesswork, what do you think most
neurologists offer?  Since they don't have a clue to the cause of AD,
it's all guesswork too. I do believe antibiotics can bring relief to a
viral infection (I'm talking about my own experience here) but will not
bring a cure to diseases mentioned by the poster.  We need medicine
that's directed specifically toward the virus.  Come on, folks, start
thinking outside the box before there's no one left except the viruses.

EddyJean

Dali - 27 Feb 2004 14:23 GMT
It's nice to hear someone such as yourself. I printed earlier of
trials whith rifampin and doxycycline which greatly helped those with
Alzheimers. I agree that "cure" might not be the right word and I
think prevention is more appropriate. The culprit is not just the
pathogen but the devestating effect the immune response has on the
host. sadly this may or may not be reversable. stem cell research I
feel may be a promising future in this regard. I will stop posting
here unless I hear someone who has been recenly diagnosed with
Alzheimers. EthicallyI have the responsibility to post these trials
with antibiotics no matter how much hate is spewed on me afterwards.

>Did our Eddyjean troll come back under a new net name?  
>
>Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 9:14pm (PST+8)
>From: mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com (Evelyn Ruut)
>?????????
>the newest antibiotic-pusher poster sure sounds like Eddyjean
EddyJean - 27 Feb 2004 17:59 GMT
Dali:  You have given this newsgroup important information and hope you
continue to post to a group who are so pathetically brainwashed by the
medical profession. Surely, there a few who will pay attention to this;
however, the majority are interested knowing only how to live with the
disease instead of finding a cure.
Dali, please email me.

Eddyjean
 


Howard Goldstein - 28 Feb 2004 11:50 GMT
:  Dali:  You have given this newsgroup important information and hope you
:  continue to post to a group who are so pathetically brainwashed by the
:  medical profession. Surely, there a few who will pay attention to this;
:  however, the majority are interested knowing only how to live with the
:  disease instead of finding a cure.

Stunning.  Blame folks here who seek support for their immediate
problems, while avoiding posts to sci.med.* where it could be discussed
by people with the expertise and inclination to effectively discuss it.

Yeah, that's the ticket.
Dali - 28 Feb 2004 15:13 GMT
Ill go there, there are thousands of NG. I was not aware of that one.

> :  Dali:  You have given this newsgroup important information and hope you
> :  continue to post to a group who are so pathetically brainwashed by the
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>
>Yeah, that's the ticket.
EddyJean - 28 Feb 2004 18:53 GMT
   
 
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:50:46 GMT, hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein)
wrote:

Stunning. Blame folks here who seek support for their immediate
problems, while avoiding posts to sci.med.* where it could be discussed
by people with the expertise and inclination to effectively discuss it.
Yeah, that's the ticket.

Howard:  (LOL)  Would you kindly post the names of the people your
referring to and who they're associated with?  I'm not aware of anyone,
except for the early pioneers in the beginning of the Twentieth Century,
who did any serious studies on AD. Over a hundred years later, still
nobody knows anything about it but brag to the world we've got the best
medicine???  According to the United States Constitution, "We the
People" are the government and ALL share the blame for the medical
professions lack of accountability.

Eddyjean
Howard Goldstein - 29 Feb 2004 13:34 GMT
:  referring to and who they're associated with?  I'm not aware of anyone,
:  except for the early pioneers in the beginning of the Twentieth Century,
:  who did any serious studies on AD. Over a hundred years later, still
:  nobody knows anything about it but brag to the world we've got the best
:  medicine???  

If you go into most anywhere in sci.med.* saying stuff like that
you'll get eaten alive.

Googling antibiotic* alzheimers trial* gets anyone with a browser a
link to a page citing one of these non-existent serious studies right
on the first search results page, and specifically on point.  
Dali - 29 Feb 2004 17:08 GMT
The guy is .Dr. Mark Loeb, associate professor at McMaster University
in Hamilton, Ontario and he presented a study in San Diego at the
meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (10/9/03)
Should we stop studies because you think in your opinion this guy is
quackers or whatever. New studies have to be done. Can you in your
right mind disagree with this?

>Googling antibiotic* alzheimers trial* gets anyone with a browser a
>link to a page citing one of these non-existent serious studies right
>on the first search results page, and specifically on point.  
Robert E. Lewis - 29 Feb 2004 21:39 GMT
> The guy is .Dr. Mark Loeb, associate professor at McMaster University
> in Hamilton, Ontario and he presented a study in San Diego at the
> meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (10/9/03)
> Should we stop studies because you think in your opinion this guy is
> quackers or whatever. New studies have to be done. Can you in your
> right mind disagree with this?

Googling the good doctor and the study finds the following items about the
study:

-- Very small study group (101 patients initially, but they only followed up
at 3-months with 82 of them).

-- 'Loeb said there is a theory that a common bacteria that causes pneumonia
might play a role in causing Alzheimer's, but the antibiotics study found no
evidence that levels of the bacteria (C. pneumoniae) were reduced as
significantly as would be expected (if C. pneumoniae were an aggravating
factor).'

No reduction of any supposed causative bacteria - doesn't support the idea
that it's infection that's being treated. Further, in the second report
cited below, the speculation was that C. pneumoniae was not a 'cause' of AD,
but an 'exacerbating factor' - and the researchers and commentators said
even that did not appear to be the case.  Now, having watched the cognitive
impact when my father suffered pneumonia (BOOP - an autoimmune pneumonia) a
few years ago, I can see how a mild chronic case of pneumonia might
exacerbate AD, but that's a far cry from claims that AD itself is an
infectious disease or can be cured by antibiotic treatment.

-- 'He suggested that the antibiotics may work by interfering with the
buildup of plaques around neurons in the brain that are a hallmark of
Alzheimer's. It is also possible that the anti-inflammatory effects of the
antibiotics are critical.'

In other words, there's no evidence antibiotics are working *as*
antibiotics, but  they may be working as anti-inflammatory drugs, as has
been mentioned is being done for inflammatory arthritis, or as a
plaque-buildup interfering agent.

-- 'The trial found that mental scores of those in the placebo group
declined by an average of 2.75 points more over six months than those who
received the antibiotic, out of a 70-point scale. At 12 months, there was
still a difference between the groups, but it was not considered
significant. '

2.75 points out of a 70-point scale is just under a 4% difference.  The
advantage was short term - at 3- and 6-months, there was that lessening of
decline, but by 12-months the difference in decline was 'not considered
significant.'  That the effect goes when the treatment is discontinued
argues for an anti-inflammatory effect rather than wiping out some causative
bug.

But there's some improvement, even if it's short term, so why not do more of
it?  Well:

-- 'When antibiotics are overused, bacteria mutate and become resistant to
drugs. This creates so-called "super-bugs" that cannot be treated.'

-- 'This is of particular concern to seniors and, more specifically, to
Alzheimer's sufferers, who are already more susceptible to infectious
disease. Antibiotics can also interact with other medication and cause liver
damage.'

So giving antibiotics to elderly and infirm people for a brief slowing of
their decline could result in them being at greater risk for infection
later.  How many times in the past few months have I read of the AD relative
of someone on this newsgroup being brought down by pneumonia?  Should we
increase their risk of precisely the variety of common infectious pneumonia
the tested antibiotics target, for a 6-month, 4-percent respite in the
progression of the dementia?  I think someone in their right mind can very
confidently argue no.

Dr. Loeb is not a quack.  He isn't claiming there's some secret infection
causing AD; he's not claiming antibiotics are a cure, or hold the potential
for a cure:

-- 'Antibiotics are certainly not a cure for Alzheimer's, Mark Loeb, an
assistant professor of clinical epidemiology and biostatistics at McMaster
and lead author of the research, said the "antibiotic regimen might allow a
person suffering from Alzheimer's disease to remain home and avoid going to
a nursing home or another institution, at least for a period of time." '

Sources:
http://www.alzstl.org/news%20items/Antibiotics_and_Alzheimer's.htm
http://www.chlamydiae.com/news/news.asp?55
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031008.walzh1008/BNStory/N
ational/

And in contrast: http://www.drmirkin.com/index.html

I looked at his homepage and realized who Dr. Gabe Mirkin is!  His
syndicated radio show used to be on locally - I remember it because this guy
told almost every caller that antibiotics were the answer to their medical
problems! 'Dr. Mirkin, I have a broken arm...' 'You should be on 300mg of
doxycycline...' 'Dr. Mirkin, I'm having erectile dysfunction...' 'Treat it
with Biaxin...') He really is a quack, rightly criticized by other doctors
for claiming that all sorts of autoimmune disorders are really hidden
infections. Mirkin's page on using antibiotics to treat AD:

--Omits any mention of the temporary nature of the results described in the
responsible reports on the Loeb study;

-- Dismisses as 'ineffective' all of the accepted drugs for AD because they
only 'slow the rate of brain damage only a little bit and do not stop
progression of brain damage,' though that's the same result found in the
Loeb study for antibiotics - but the antibiotics' effect was shorter-lived;

-- Makes unsupported claims that 'Several studies associate Alzheimer's
disease with infections caused by the bacteria chlamydia and mycoplasma,'
though Loeb didn't make the claim, and the chlamydia specialists cited in
the responsible literature on the Loeb report said there was no evidence of
any relation.

In other words, he ignores facts from the report that don't support his
antibiotic-panacea dogma.  A plonkable offense in my book.

--
Robert
Dennis P. Harris - 29 Feb 2004 22:36 GMT
> How many times in the past few months have I read of the AD relative
> of someone on this newsgroup being brought down by pneumonia?

with AD patients, it's usually aspiration pneumonia, from fluids
that were aspirated because the patient could not swallow
properly due to loss of muscle control in the throat.
Robert E. Lewis - 01 Mar 2004 01:09 GMT
> > How many times in the past few months have I read of the AD relative
> > of someone on this newsgroup being brought down by pneumonia?
>
> with AD patients, it's usually aspiration pneumonia, from fluids
> that were aspirated because the patient could not swallow
> properly due to loss of muscle control in the throat.

The aspirated fluids or food do the initial injury to the lung, and then the
bacteria often take advantage of the material and the damaged lung.  From
DiscoveryHealth.com:

'Aspiration pneumonia is a lung _infection_ that occurs when a person
accidentally inhales material from the nose, throat, or stomach.

What is going on in the body?

In a person with aspiration pneumonia, substances from the stomach, throat,
or nose enter the airway and lungs. The lung tissue and the aspirated
material is a _breeding ground for infection._ Pneumonia, which is a lung
infection, may form in one or both lungs. The _infection_ most commonly
develops in the lower part of the lungs.

What are the signs and symptoms of the infection?
...
What are the causes and risks of the infection?
...
What can be done to prevent the infection?
...

How is the infection diagnosed?
...
Tests used to diagnose aspiration pneumonia include: ?  chest x-ray ?
arterial blood gases, which measure oxygen and carbon dioxide levels in the
blood ? complete blood count, or CBC, which counts red and white blood cells
?  blood culture, which checks for bacteria present in the blood ?  sputum
culture, which checks for bacteria in material from the lungs...'
EddyJean - 01 Mar 2004 06:37 GMT
'The trial found that mental scores of those in the placebo group
declined by an average of 2.75 points more over six months than those
who received the antibiotic, out of a 70-point scale. At 12 months,
there was still a difference between the groups, but it was not
considered significant. '
2.75 points out of a 70-point scale is just under a 4% difference. The
advantage was short term - at 3- and 6-months, there was that lessening
of decline, but by 12-months the difference in decline was 'not
considered significant.' That the effect goes when the treatment is
discontinued argues for an anti-inflammatory effect rather than wiping
out some causative bug.
Robert

The study doesn't reveal the length of time the group was on
antibiotics.  Antibiotics DO help cut viral infections in the SHORT run
but not strong enough to kill the bug; therefore, symptoms will always
return. Because of a weakened immune system, I believe secondary
infections are caused from the virus and not antibiotics. Penicillin was
first discovered during WWII, isn't it about time researchers develop
new drugs targeted specifically to the virus causing the disease?

Eddyjean


Dali - 01 Mar 2004 14:04 GMT
It was a guess as to the way it helped the patient. Here is another.
The bacteria became resistant to it so came back.I am very familiar
with bacteria doing this ! I know the article. you missed the part
where he said if I knew anyone with Alzheimers I would show them this
trial. Do you want me to get the exact quote. Oh yea. didnt answer the
question. So we should stop all new trials? Is this your position?

>'The trial found that mental scores of those in the placebo group
>declined by an average of 2.75 points more over six months than those
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>Eddyjean
Howard Goldstein - 01 Mar 2004 11:03 GMT
:  The guy is .Dr. Mark Loeb, associate professor at McMaster University
:  in Hamilton, Ontario and he presented a study in San Diego at the
:  meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America (10/9/03)
:  Should we stop studies because you think in your opinion this guy is
:  quackers or whatever. New studies have to be done. Can you in your
:  right mind disagree with this?

Why does your followup to my post pose these silly questions to me?

Looks like Dennis is right (again).  IHBT.
Dali - 01 Mar 2004 14:07 GMT
I help many in alt.support.sinusitis. people come in their wanting
treatment. I amazed that it's not the case in here.

> :  The guy is .Dr. Mark Loeb, associate professor at McMaster University
> :  in Hamilton, Ontario and he presented a study in San Diego at the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Looks like Dennis is right (again).  IHBT.
Mare - 13 Mar 2004 04:57 GMT
OK you want to help me. My Mom is in stage 7 AD after 11 1/2
years. She has not been able to feed herself or do any other
activities of daily living for at least 3 years. She still wants
to eat and her body is relatively healthy. Cat scans over the
past 5 years have shown major atrophy of her brain. The ER Dr was
amazed at how much her brain had shrunk in 2 years. We have taken
care of the bedsore and the pain(don't know the cause of it), the
seizures have lessened, her sugar level is good, her legs have no
more strength so we use a hoyer lift, hasn't had a UTI in a few
years(cranberry juice is great that way), she doesn't recognize
me as her daughter(just the person that gives her ice cream), her
hands are starting to curl in so we have had to put splints on
her to help keep her out of pain and from developing infections
when she punctures her flesh with her nails and she kinda talks
to people that aren't there. These are just some of the hilights
of the past 5 years. What can you help me with?
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> I help many in alt.support.sinusitis. people come in their wanting
> treatment. I amazed that it's not the case in here.
turkey in the straw - 13 Mar 2004 13:44 GMT
For crying out loud.If ya don't agree with something someone has posted
just ignore it.Your playing into their hands by arguing with them.And I
for one am tired of it.Maybe someone should start a new group that you
have to be allowed to join.

I finally got those new bed pads you wash.They work great and there
huge.My mom kinda forgot she is suppose to use the toilet as she had a
catheter in when hospitalized.So i am reminding her and she's catching
on again.And i wanted to share that her zyprexa is working great.She has
not been near as angry or full of questions in the evening.
  A cute story!!!!! My 12 yr.old grandson spent the night last
night.Around 6 he was laying on the couch.Well ,when we were kids you
never did that cause you were busy or outside.My mom was just razzing
him all evening.Why are you laying there,get up,don't you have something
to do,etc.It was sooooo funny.
   Well,everyone have a great weekend,Barb


Mare - 13 Mar 2004 17:32 GMT
Umm, thanks for the advice. I didn't realize there was a
moderator in this group. I've only been posting here for 8 or so
years so I might have missed that announcement. I have ignored
more than enough but when it becomes very disruptive or dangerous
info is dispelled I try to do something. Most times that is
behind the scenes and working with the ISP of the disrupter. I'm
sorry you don't like what I have to say but you can just killfile
me if you wish. There are groups out there that you can join that
do have moderators, I belong to several.
I'm glad you found the washable pads. I really liked the flannel
backed rubber ones for my Mom. After a year or so of doing
bedsheets everyday they really helped lessen the load. That was
before those pads were readily available. Try to stay away from
the diapers with plastic on them when you get to that point since
they create UTI's and break down the skin. It might mean a little
more cleaning for you but then you won't have to deal with her
confusion with a UTI or try to heal skin that is constantly
exposed to urine.
I will have a nice weekend, going to my niece's 12th Bday party.

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> For crying out loud.If ya don't agree with something someone has posted
> just ignore it.Your playing into their hands by arguing with them.And I
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> to do,etc.It was sooooo funny.
>     Well,everyone have a great weekend,Barb
turkey in the straw - 14 Mar 2004 05:50 GMT
I am no moderator,just trying to clean up this  mess so we can get back
to helping each other.They may be right ,they may be wrong.Maybe you
could respond to them privatly.But the back and forth crap is getting
carried away.I love to read ways to help my mom NOW,not 10 yrs.from now
when they decide if antibiotics may or may not help.My mom has been on
antibiotics for 2 weeks now and she's not improved one bit mentally.For
pneumonia.Barb
EddyJean - 13 Mar 2004 17:11 GMT

Re: Did our Eddyjean troll come back under a new net name? Attn: Dali  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Mar 13, 2004, 4:57am (PST+8)
From: nono@nanette.com (Mare)
OK you want to help me. My Mom is in stage 7 AD after 11 1/2 years. She
has not been able to feed herself or do any other activities of daily
living for at least 3 years. She still wants to eat and her body is
relatively healthy. Cat scans over the past 5 years have shown major
atrophy of her brain. The ER Dr was amazed at how much her brain had
shrunk in 2 years. We have taken care of the bedsore and the pain(don't
know the cause of it), the seizures have lessened, her sugar level is
good, her legs have no more strength so we use a hoyer lift, hasn't had
a UTI in a few years(cranberry juice is great that way), she doesn't
recognize me as her daughter(just the person that gives her ice cream),
her hands are starting to curl in so we have had to put splints on her
to help keep her out of pain and from developing infections when she
punctures her flesh with her nails and she kinda talks to people that
aren't there. These are just some of the hilights of the past 5 years.
What can you help me with?
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"Dali" <brentb@cya.net> wrote in message
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I help many in alt.support.sinusitis. people come in their wanting
treatment. I amazed that it's not the case in here.

                     ==========
You don't believe anything I tell you, ask Evelyn.  She knows
everything.

EddyJean

Mare - 13 Mar 2004 17:33 GMT
Huh? I was asking Dali. Take a deep breath OK.
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> Re: Did our Eddyjean troll come back under a new net name? Attn: Dali
>
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>
> EddyJean
Dennis P. Harris - 13 Mar 2004 19:20 GMT
> Huh? I was asking Dali. Take a deep breath OK.

mare, you haven't been around much.  dali is another eddyjean
alright, and doesn't deserve any response but a PLONK into your
killfile/block sender.  if we just ignore these delusional
posters, trolls, and loonies, they will go away.  it does no good
to argue with them since they don't listen, and are not
interested in what others have to say other than argue with them.

please put your occasional visits here into responding to folks
with meaningful questions and real needs, and not into responding
to the cranks, especially if their posts are several weeks old
(or check the response threads to these nuts before replying).

and no, i'm not trying to act as moderator, just asking that you
see what experience we've had with these posters during your
absence before you start reactivating (thankfully) dead threads.
Dali - 14 Mar 2004 01:47 GMT
>> Huh? I was asking Dali. Take a deep breath OK.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>see what experience we've had with these posters during your
>absence before you start reactivating (thankfully) dead threads.

I give up. yall wont see me unless I see an interesting post on here.
I doubt it. The only reason I posted hear is that I have a bacteria in
me that causes severe mental problems like alzheimers. The frigging
Dr's nearly killed me and almost sent me to an asylum. The medical
profession needs work. I truly believe that something is causing AZ.
go thru the list. If antibiotics work, try another if it stops
working. I needed IV vancomycin to treat mine. for someone who has had
AZ the treatment may kill the patient. I dont pretend to offer a cure
for those deep into AZ. good luck group.
Mare - 16 Mar 2004 16:52 GMT
Hi Dennis,
I actually do read almost every day just don't have the time to
give a thoughtful response most of the time. So I have seen the
posts and had resisted responding like I usually do. Something
just got to me and I slipped. Happens sometimes.
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> > Huh? I was asking Dali. Take a deep breath OK.
>
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> see what experience we've had with these posters during your
> absence before you start reactivating (thankfully) dead threads.
Mare - 13 Mar 2004 17:58 GMT
oops, my bad. You forgot what personality you were posting under.
Right? So maybe Evelyn does know everything;~)
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> Re: Did our Eddyjean troll come back under a new net name? Attn: Dali
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> EddyJean
Evelyn Ruut - 13 Mar 2004 18:28 GMT
> oops, my bad. You forgot what personality you were posting under.
> Right? So maybe Evelyn does know everything;~)

LOL!  Far from it.... but I knew enough to killfile ALL of Eddyjean's
identities apparently!
;-)
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> mfcoleman@THEOLEmindspring.com
> http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm
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> > EddyJean
Dali - 14 Mar 2004 01:33 GMT
>Re: Did our Eddyjean troll come back under a new net name? Attn: Dali  
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>aren't there. These are just some of the hilights of the past 5 years.
>What can you help me with?

If someone was that fargone there is not much one can do. some people
have great comebacks from antibiotics or hydrogen peroxide IV might
help.But to be honest, in all diseases the further it gets the harder
someone can be healed. Prayer is all i got and I know that aint worth
much around here.
Dennis P. Harris - 28 Feb 2004 19:54 GMT
> Stunning.  Blame folks here who seek support for their immediate
> problems, while avoiding posts to sci.med.* where it could be discussed
> by people with the expertise and inclination to effectively discuss it.

don't bother, just killfile them all --- eddyjean, ironjustice,
etc.  if we don't feed the trolls, they will go away.
Dali - 01 Mar 2004 14:06 GMT
I practiall beg you guys to do so. please go away.

>> Stunning.  Blame folks here who seek support for their immediate
>> problems, while avoiding posts to sci.med.* where it could be discussed
>> by people with the expertise and inclination to effectively discuss it.
>>
>don't bother, just killfile them all --- eddyjean, ironjustice,
>etc.  if we don't feed the trolls, they will go away.
Kay - 01 Mar 2004 18:00 GMT
Just because someone has a different theory about this condition
doesnt mean theyre a troll.  I think we all need to keep an open mind.

Kay
Dali - 01 Mar 2004 18:09 GMT
True. I lke open discussion not just name calling. Open minds are
intelligent minds. My dad has gotten older and has less and less of
one. wonder if it's happening to me. I'll have to keep an open mind on
this :)

>Just because someone has a different theory about this condition
>doesnt mean theyre a troll.  I think we all need to keep an open mind.
>
>Kay
Evelyn Ruut - 01 Mar 2004 19:46 GMT
> Just because someone has a different theory about this condition
> doesnt mean theyre a troll.  I think we all need to keep an open mind.
>
> Kay

Kay, I always try to keep an open mind, but Eddyjean has gone to the point
where I cannot call them anything but a troll.   You are quite welcome to
see it differently of course.
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EddyJean - 02 Mar 2004 07:51 GMT
I always try to keep an open mind, but Eddyjean has gone to the point
where I cannot call them anything but a troll.

Evelyn

What's your definition of a troll, Evelyn?  Someone who has a different
view from yours on the cause of AD?  Your right and everyone else is
wrong, huh?

Eddyjean
Mary Gordon - 27 Feb 2004 20:42 GMT
Brent, you perplex me. You clearly have had problems with chronic
sinus issues and arthritis, and thus are worried about infections -
and yet, if your posting history is any measure you are routine pot
smoker and user of mushrooms and other drugs. For someone concerned
about their health, this seems a bit odd - pot smoking is associated
with a variety of chronic respiratory problems, including intractable
sinus infections - since marijuana smoke is full of spores like
aspergillus as well as bacteria, tar and a bunch of other irritants -
never mind the cognitive impacts.

So, here you are advocating antibiotic use as the panacea for
inflammatory problems. Cart, horse and barn door are not in correct
order.

Mary G.
Dali - 28 Feb 2004 15:12 GMT
I no longer do any illegal drugs because I no longer need them. At one
time however I would wake up dry heaving throughout the day and not
eat anything except a couple of crackers. Without marijuana I would be
dead by now. I still post to those groups for these reasons. One is
that many of the people are taking it for medicinal reasons and I
espouse the view that it is good for those in need of it and should be
legalized as soon as possible. Another reason is that the people in
there are very intelligent (our latest postings have not been on pot
but on quantum mechanics) rarely is pot brought up in that group. They
are also truly funny and they give me alot of laughs. something I need
as I sit at home disabled, many times by myself. I also warn people
that these drugs are spiritual tools and should be used with care. I
tell anyone listening that these are dangerous items and if abused you
will pay the price. If you have problems and you are on drugs you will
never get better. Put God, not drugs, first in your life.Yep, pot is
bad for you, but to people who have no life like Alzheimer patients do
they really care about that when it gives them an appetite and makes
their days go by better?

>Brent, you perplex me. You clearly have had problems with chronic
>sinus issues and arthritis, and thus are worried about infections -
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>Mary G.
 
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