Adelle, you wisely suggested consulting an elder care attorney to Ken. Any
tips on where/how to find a good one? I think I need to sit down with one
and get all the facts in my state before we have problems.
Songbird
There are organizations for Elder Affairs in most cities. Some are city
agencies, some are private organizations. They usually act as a
clearinghouse for information and/or referrals. That's where my MIL got her
referral.
Some areas have something called a Council for Aging. I've never found out
what they offer, but would guess they'd keep that kind of info as well. You
can also try the local United way office to find out what agencies do elder
affairs in your area. A good reference librarian might know as well.
Sorry I can't be of more help. but names and scope of the agency vary from
place to place.

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> Adelle, you wisely suggested consulting an elder care attorney to Ken. Any
> tips on where/how to find a good one? I think I need to sit down with one
> and get all the facts in my state before we have problems.
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> Songbird
Evelyn Ruut - 25 Jan 2004 12:04 GMT
We found an elder care legal specialist attorney in the local yellow pages.
He turned out to be a judge and a wonderful attorney!

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>Adelle, you wisely suggested consulting an elder care attorney to Ken. Any
>tips on where/how to find a good one? I think I need to sit down with one
>and get all the facts in my state before we have problems.
Hello, Songbird,
I found an elder care attorney on the internet by typing a search into
Google with the words "elder law" and the name of the town where my
parents live. One name came up, so I called her and asked for an
hour consultation. Everyone probably won't have the luck I had, but
she turned out to be wonderful, knowledgeable and very helpful, and
she didn't charge me a dime. (Later, I took my dad to her and he
agreed to hire her; she's a smart woman.)
The best part of it has been her suggestion that we consider a live-in
caregiver, and she even recommended someone who was looking for a new
position. We interviewed the woman shortly after Christmas, liked her
very much, and all agreed that this was the best option. My dad was
having to pay over $4000.00/mo for Mom to stay in the nursing home
after Medicare declined to pay. (This even though she has advanced
dementia and is non-ambulatory after breaking her leg shortly before
Christmas.) Our new caregiver had taken care of another woman AD for
the past few years, who'd just passed away. Now she needed a place to
live, so we're meeting her need in that sense as she's working for
room and board.
We were able to bring my mother home last week, and now I know she'll
have closer attention and Dad will be able to get some sleep finally.
He can also go about his puttering around in the garden and so on, as
he likes, instead of waiting for the one or two days a week that I can
go over there. At the nursing home he was spending so many hours in
the chair next to her bed to keep her company that I was afraid
*he'd* end up with a blood clot or something.
In any case, while it's obviously been a big adjustment (still
ongoing) to have a strange new person (and her dog) living in his
home, Dad is going to be much better off now. I'm thrilled, and I
don't feel so helpless or worried about not being able to be there
more than a couple of days a week. My mother is slowly declining and
it's an awful thing to watch as she dies bit by bit, but I've gotten
to the point of being more worried about my dad. He's still alive and
relatively well, for an 83 y.o., and I'd like to see him stay that way
as long as possible. It's an awful disease, as we know, but we have
to remember, too, that it's no use sacrificing healthy lives in its
wake.
Just sharing some of what's been going on here. Good luck to you, and
to everyone: ask for help from everyone and anyone you can think of...
people want to help out there and you may find exactly what you need.
~Des
P.S. One of the side benefits of having a live-in helper was that it
forced us to clean out one of the spare bedrooms. Anybody want some
old knitting magazines from the '60s and '70s? We filled the
recycling bin but there's plenty more where those came from...
Frank Zink - 28 Jan 2004 14:18 GMT
Oh my, this sounds just like my situation only my mom had the stroke and
is in a wheel chair since last year and my dad takes care of her 24/7
except for 2 days when my sister or I get there to help. Then he can go
out and do shopping or anything else just to get out.
He still won't have a live in. My sister and I tried so hard for him to
get one but he is so stubblorn and doesn't want anyone in the house
alone. He does have a girl that comes in 2 mornings a week to totally
bathe her in the bed etc but she is only there for 2 hours each day.
I told him to have a girl come in 2-3 days a week and for a full day to
do some of the chores like landry and cooking etc and then he can go out
and garden or go to the store but again, no one can stay in his house.
They might steel something. They are so paranoid.
I don't even know what anyone would want to steal. How can they take any
of her crystal dishes tc out, and at this point, I really don't care as
long as he could rest more.
He has been doing this for over a year now and is getting tired but
insists on doing it.
Meanwhile, my mom gets meaner and meaner every day, calling him names
and telling him to get out, etc. Sometimes the minute I go in the house
she tells me to get out.
We all know its the disease, but sometimes when we are real tired
(sister and I work full time and travel 1 1/2 hours to get there) we get
upset.
We don't know how he takes it everyday!
Nancy
Evelyn Ruut - 28 Jan 2004 14:46 GMT
> Oh my, this sounds just like my situation only my mom had the stroke and
> is in a wheel chair since last year and my dad takes care of her 24/7
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> We don't know how he takes it everyday!
> Nancy
Dear Nancy,
That sounds just SO hard. You and your poor family have my sympathies.
The worst part of this disease I think, is the fact they don't know how bad
off they are, nor are they able to experience gratitude for what is being
done for them.
On the rare occasion that Ida has thanked me for some little assistance, I
admit it is a really good thing. She isn't aware that she is in need of
help, or that she is unable to manage her own life anymore.
For heaven's sake, she can barely even walk from the livingroom sofa down
the hall to the bathroom on her own, yet she still asks to go "home"....and
imagines her old life is waiting somewhere for her to go back to. When it
comes up we just divert her attention and go on to the next thing.
About the paranoia and the crystal........ Ida had a lot of beautiful
crystal, most of which were gifts from us over the years. A slick scam
artist of a home improvement guy/boyfriend conned her out of most of it. I
was delighted (in a wicked way) to discover that crystal has dropped both in
favor and in value considerably over the years, and the con artist probably
got very little for it.
This was verified when I tried to sell just a few pieces of crystal last
summer at my yard sale. Nobody wanted it even at bargain prices. I
already had given first choice to Ida's granddaughter, but there were a few
odd things she didn't want and neither did I, but they were beautiful and
nice things anyway. Strange to say that cut crystal is not worth so much
anymore. I just packed it away again for next year's yard sale.
I really don't know why old folks are so paranoid about anyone coming into
the house. My father is exactly the same way. My sister and I both have
professionals clean our homes and yet the two of us had to don gloves and
start scrubbing again when his house needed a cleaning. He wouldn't allow
us to bring either of our long-trusted cleaning people to his house to work
under our supervision. He certainly has nothing of value laying around for
anyone to pocket or steal, but "nobody comes in the house." We didn't want
to fight about it and we just had to work around it.
I imagine this quirk is made even worse when someone is ill and in need of
care.

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The elder law foundation certifies attorneys as elder law attorneys. Try
them for a recommendation near you
> Adelle, you wisely suggested consulting an elder care attorney to Ken. Any
> tips on where/how to find a good one? I think I need to sit down with one
> and get all the facts in my state before we have problems.
>
> Songbird
Howard Goldstein - 28 Jan 2004 12:17 GMT
: The elder law foundation certifies attorneys as elder law attorneys. Try
FWIW certification is not necessarily the same as board certified. In
Florida for example the state Bar passes judgment after a Bar-managed
exam, experience review, and I think peer recommendations, on whether
an attorney-candidate is qualified to hold herself out as a "Board
Certified Elder Law attorney" or a "specialist" in elder law.