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Ken - 23 Jan 2004 15:43 GMT Hello everyone. So many reply posts. I don't know where to start. Started a new thread as my last reply got bounced.
We found another AD home for him if need be. Half the cost of the current facility and our pastor recommended it. Dad does have a long term insurance policy that would kick in after 90 days. We are aware of the 3 year lookback asset move but I need more details. Will hire an Elder lawyer when the time is right. His PCP prescribed him exelon the day before he was admitted into the hospital. He never got to take it. I believe that everytime he gets the Ativan shot he looses a little more of his will to live. One of the side effects of Adivan is amnesia. Isn't that special?
I do think that trying another location such as home will yield some answers regarding the meds. 24hr care is a must. We can always move him to the other facility.
Last nights visit I found him on the floor mat (bed was lowered) in just a diaper. Had urinated. He will not use the diaper, tries to get up to use the bathroom. They are not watching him close enough. We got him cleaned up and back in bed. He had a fever around 100. Said he had to go again and I had them get him on his feet to go. He could barely stand. I spoon fed him the thickened applejuice and he had two and a half cups. He's also dehydrated. Skin on his hand does not snap back. I think he needs to be hospitalized again. He was supposed to go for a CAT scan of his liver/gall bladder today because of elevated liver enzymes in his blood work. Had a contrast liquid to drink last night before bed and orders to fast him this am. Well, last night when I got there the nurse said she tried to give it to him but he would not take it (I doubt she tried hard). I put it in his thickened applejuice and he sucked it right down. Then, this am they "mistakenly" gave him breakfast. Mom called the hospital and the scan had to be cancelled. Mom asked his nurse about rescheduling and was given the old "Well, isn't he supposed to be leaving?" runaround. They are so screwing us because he is a problem. He's not like all the other patients there. Most can walk, eat and are compliant. He is only on Zyprexa. No Aricept or Namenda even though I've asked he be put on it. Dr Smug is taking a very passive approach to his care. Their just not doing the right things.
Just spoke with Mom. His fever broke and he's supposibly on his feet.
Do the insurance companies not realize that AD is a vicious disease? What, do they not cover AD/Lewy Bodies/Parkinson's ect... How can they possibly consider him able to go home?
Wrote this quickly, hope is all makes sense.
My direct email is knwestremove@yahoo.com if anyone wants to email me.
Thank you all for the input and advice. I really appreciate it.
Ken
"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:mq9Qb.250075$0P1.33845@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> "Darryl" <umpolung@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > news:hf62101n5n5vvf2emd3af1quc1nblngv7n@4ax.com... > > > Hopefully the next American administration will do something about > > health care. Even if it means Dean and his "Aaargh" scream. Yes, the > > victory grunt has been all over the news in Canada as well :) > > > > Darryl. > > I can hardly wait. The present administration has only been interested in > helping themselves and their friends at the expense of all of us and our > children's children's children. Lee - 23 Jan 2004 16:35 GMT might consider the lawyer sooner, rather than later... perhaps involving one (and making sure the facility and the insurance co. know about it) would trigger some concern re: potential liability? As in, if they release him to home and someone gets injured, do they want to be held responsible? (whether stated or implied)
I have no experience with health care in the US though - but anything you can do to ensure the safety of not only your dad, but also everyone involved in his care wherever - but especially at home.... has got to be THE priority.
> Hello everyone. So many reply posts. I don't know where to start. Started > a new thread as my last reply got bounced. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > (To reply to me personally, remove sox) Ken - 23 Jan 2004 20:27 GMT I agree.
We got his stay extended until Monday. We are all meeting then to discuss.
The therapy director tried to tell me he was min-assist. Told her that she's wrong.
> might consider the lawyer sooner, rather than later... perhaps involving one > (and making sure the facility and the insurance co. know about it) would [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > > > > > (To reply to me personally, remove sox) Ken - 27 Jan 2004 14:39 GMT Took Dad to a neurologist appt yesterday and he advised us to take him to the ER. We did just that.
He was dehydrated, anemic and has pneumonia. They admitted him. Told them no sedation (per his new Dr). After 9hrs in the ER he started coming around. Smiling, making jokes. "Keep the ice chips coming" he said. Very clear signs of our good ole Dad. He's getting a new full evaluation today.
Cant believe that f@#$%#$ nursing home wanted to discharge him as mimimal assist. He was dying.
Everyone says to drop Humana and go with just medicare. Any input on this???
Tx.
Ken
> Hello everyone. So many reply posts. I don't know where to start. Started > a new thread as my last reply got bounced. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > helping themselves and their friends at the expense of all of us and our > > children's children's children. Gwen Love - 27 Jan 2004 21:01 GMT Ken, is Humana a supplement to Medicare, or the main one? I have Medicare but I also have a supplement to pay for what Medicare doesn't pay. Gwen ================================== God Grades on the cross, not the curve. ==================================
| Took Dad to a neurologist appt yesterday and he advised us to take him to | the ER. We did just that. | | He was dehydrated, anemic and has pneumonia. They admitted him. Told them | no sedation (per his new Dr). After 9hrs in the ER he started coming | around. Smiling, making jokes. "Keep the ice chips coming" he said. Very | clear signs of our good ole Dad. He's getting a new full evaluation today. | | Cant believe that f@#$%#$ nursing home wanted to discharge him as mimimal | assist. He was dying. | | Everyone says to drop Humana and go with just medicare. Any input on | this??? | | Tx. | | Ken | | | "Ken" <kwest2@yahoo.com> wrote in message | news:1012g0djgf5a4de@corp.supernews.com... | > Hello everyone. So many reply posts. I don't know where to start. | Started | > a new thread as my last reply got bounced. | > | > We found another AD home for him if need be. Half the cost of the current | > facility and our pastor recommended it. Dad does have a long term | insurance | > policy that would kick in after 90 days. We are aware of the 3 year | > lookback asset move but I need more details. Will hire an Elder lawyer | when | > the time is right. His PCP prescribed him exelon the day before he was | > admitted into the hospital. He never got to take it. I believe that | > everytime he gets the Ativan shot he looses a little more of his will to | > live. One of the side effects of Adivan is amnesia. Isn't that special? | > | > I do think that trying another location such as home will yield some | answers | > regarding the meds. 24hr care is a must. We can always move him to the | > other facility. | > | > Last nights visit I found him on the floor mat (bed was lowered) in just a | > diaper. Had urinated. He will not use the diaper, tries to get up to use | > the bathroom. They are not watching him close enough. We got him cleaned | > up and back in bed. He had a fever around 100. Said he had to go again | and | > I had them get him on his feet to go. He could barely stand. I spoon fed | > him the thickened applejuice and he had two and a half cups. He's also | > dehydrated. Skin on his hand does not snap back. I think he needs to be | > hospitalized again. He was supposed to go for a CAT scan of his | liver/gall | > bladder today because of elevated liver enzymes in his blood work. Had a | > contrast liquid to drink last night before bed and orders to fast him this | > am. Well, last night when I got there the nurse said she tried to give it | > to him but he would not take it (I doubt she tried hard). I put it in his | > thickened applejuice and he sucked it right down. Then, this am they | > "mistakenly" gave him breakfast. Mom called the hospital and the scan had | > to be cancelled. Mom asked his nurse about rescheduling and was given the | > old "Well, isn't he supposed to be leaving?" runaround. They are so | > screwing us because he is a problem. He's not like all the other patients | > there. Most can walk, eat and are compliant. He is only on Zyprexa. No | > Aricept or Namenda even though I've asked he be put on it. Dr Smug is | > taking a very passive approach to his care. Their just not doing the | right | > things. | > | > Just spoke with Mom. His fever broke and he's supposibly on his feet. | > | > Do the insurance companies not realize that AD is a vicious disease? | What, | > do they not cover AD/Lewy Bodies/Parkinson's ect... How can they possibly | > consider him able to go home? | > | > Wrote this quickly, hope is all makes sense. | > | > My direct email is knwestremove@yahoo.com if anyone wants to email me. | > | > Thank you all for the input and advice. I really appreciate it. | > | > Ken | > | > | > | > "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message | > news:mq9Qb.250075$0P1.33845@twister.nyc.rr.com... | > > | > > "Darryl" <umpolung@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message | > > news:hf62101n5n5vvf2emd3af1quc1nblngv7n@4ax.com... | > > | > > > Hopefully the next American administration will do something about | > > > health care. Even if it means Dean and his "Aaargh" scream. Yes, the | > > > victory grunt has been all over the news in Canada as well :) | > > > | > > > Darryl. | > > | > > | > > I can hardly wait. The present administration has only been interested | in | > > helping themselves and their friends at the expense of all of us and our | > > children's children's children. | > > | > > -- | > > Evelyn | > > | > > (To reply to me personally, remove sox) | > > | > > | > | > | > | |
Ken - 28 Jan 2004 14:55 GMT Yes, Humana is a supplement but... Always a but... We can only use Humana Dr's. What Humana does is they take his medicare payments and then provides the cheapest care possible to make a profit. It was Humana pushing him out of the facility. Basically, until we drop it, it's like not even having medicare.
In any case, he's doing better. They gave him blood for the anemia, antibiotics, speech therapy, and no sedation. (Using mild restraints). His head is clearing slowly. His swallowing problem is the biggest issue right now. They wont let him eat or drink anything until they find out what's going on.
> Ken, is Humana a supplement to Medicare, or the main one? I have > Medicare but I also have a supplement to pay for what Medicare doesn't pay. [quoted text clipped - 149 lines] > | > | Gwen Love - 28 Jan 2004 21:38 GMT Ken, I have my supplement through AARP and they have never questioned anything. If Medicare pays anything on it, they pay the rest because I took on the C program. I've never had a problem at all with them and it is not too expensive either. Gwen
============================================= Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers. Garth Brooks ============================================= | Yes, Humana is a supplement but... Always a but... We can only use Humana | Dr's. What Humana does is they take his medicare payments and then provides | the cheapest care possible to make a profit. It was Humana pushing him out | of the facility. Basically, until we drop it, it's like not even having | medicare. | | In any case, he's doing better. They gave him blood for the anemia, | antibiotics, speech therapy, and no sedation. (Using mild restraints). His | head is clearing slowly. His swallowing problem is the biggest issue right | now. They wont let him eat or drink anything until they find out what's | going on. | | | "Gwen Love" <cglghl@knology.net> wrote in message | news:101dkmves1js468@corp.supernews.com... | > Ken, is Humana a supplement to Medicare, or the main one? I have | > Medicare but I also have a supplement to pay for what Medicare doesn't | pay. | > Gwen | > ================================== | > God Grades on the cross, not the curve. | > ================================== | > | > "Ken" <kwest2@yahoo.com> wrote in message | > news:101ctngl0s2h735@corp.supernews.com... | > | Took Dad to a neurologist appt yesterday and he advised us to take him | > to | > | the ER. We did just that. | > | | > | He was dehydrated, anemic and has pneumonia. They admitted him. Told | > them | > | no sedation (per his new Dr). After 9hrs in the ER he started coming | > | around. Smiling, making jokes. "Keep the ice chips coming" he said. | > Very | > | clear signs of our good ole Dad. He's getting a new full evaluation | > today. | > | | > | Cant believe that f@#$%#$ nursing home wanted to discharge him as | > mimimal | > | assist. He was dying. | > | | > | Everyone says to drop Humana and go with just medicare. Any input on | > | this??? | > | | > | Tx. | > | | > | Ken | > | | > | | > | "Ken" <kwest2@yahoo.com> wrote in message | > | news:1012g0djgf5a4de@corp.supernews.com... | > | > Hello everyone. So many reply posts. I don't know where to start. | > | Started | > | > a new thread as my last reply got bounced. | > | > | > | > We found another AD home for him if need be. Half the cost of the | > current | > | > facility and our pastor recommended it. Dad does have a long term | > | insurance | > | > policy that would kick in after 90 days. We are aware of the 3 year | > | > lookback asset move but I need more details. Will hire an Elder | > lawyer | > | when | > | > the time is right. His PCP prescribed him exelon the day before he | > was | > | > admitted into the hospital. He never got to take it. I believe | that | > | > everytime he gets the Ativan shot he looses a little more of his | will | > to | > | > live. One of the side effects of Adivan is amnesia. Isn't that | > special? | > | > | > | > I do think that trying another location such as home will yield some | > | answers | > | > regarding the meds. 24hr care is a must. We can always move him to | > the | > | > other facility. | > | > | > | > Last nights visit I found him on the floor mat (bed was lowered) in | > just a | > | > diaper. Had urinated. He will not use the diaper, tries to get up | > to use | > | > the bathroom. They are not watching him close enough. We got him | > cleaned | > | > up and back in bed. He had a fever around 100. Said he had to go | > again | > | and | > | > I had them get him on his feet to go. He could barely stand. I | > spoon fed | > | > him the thickened applejuice and he had two and a half cups. He's | > also | > | > dehydrated. Skin on his hand does not snap back. I think he needs | > to be | > | > hospitalized again. He was supposed to go for a CAT scan of his | > | liver/gall | > | > bladder today because of elevated liver enzymes in his blood work. | > Had a | > | > contrast liquid to drink last night before bed and orders to fast | him | > this | > | > am. Well, last night when I got there the nurse said she tried to | > give it | > | > to him but he would not take it (I doubt she tried hard). I put it | > in his | > | > thickened applejuice and he sucked it right down. Then, this am | they | > | > "mistakenly" gave him breakfast. Mom called the hospital and the | > scan had | > | > to be cancelled. Mom asked his nurse about rescheduling and was | > given the | > | > old "Well, isn't he supposed to be leaving?" runaround. They are so | > | > screwing us because he is a problem. He's not like all the other | > patients | > | > there. Most can walk, eat and are compliant. He is only on | Zyprexa. | > No | > | > Aricept or Namenda even though I've asked he be put on it. Dr Smug | > is | > | > taking a very passive approach to his care. Their just not doing | the | > | right | > | > things. | > | > | > | > Just spoke with Mom. His fever broke and he's supposibly on his | > feet. | > | > | > | > Do the insurance companies not realize that AD is a vicious disease? | > | What, | > | > do they not cover AD/Lewy Bodies/Parkinson's ect... How can they | > possibly | > | > consider him able to go home? | > | > | > | > Wrote this quickly, hope is all makes sense. | > | > | > | > My direct email is knwestremove@yahoo.com if anyone wants to email | > me. | > | > | > | > Thank you all for the input and advice. I really appreciate it. | > | > | > | > Ken | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message | > | > news:mq9Qb.250075$0P1.33845@twister.nyc.rr.com... | > | > > | > | > > "Darryl" <umpolung@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > > news:hf62101n5n5vvf2emd3af1quc1nblngv7n@4ax.com... | > | > > | > | > > > Hopefully the next American administration will do something | > about | > | > > > health care. Even if it means Dean and his "Aaargh" scream. | > Yes, the | > | > > > victory grunt has been all over the news in Canada as well
:) | > | > > > | > | > > > Darryl. | > | > > | > | > > | > | > > I can hardly wait. The present administration has only been | > interested | > | in | > | > > helping themselves and their friends at the expense of all of us | > and our | > | > > children's children's children. | > | > > | > | > > -- | > | > > Evelyn | > | > > | > | > > (To reply to me personally, remove sox) | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | > | |
Songbird - 28 Jan 2004 00:49 GMT Can't advise on the Humana questoin, but I'm glad you're getting some answers and he's getting some help!
Songbird
> Took Dad to a neurologist appt yesterday and he advised us to take him to > the ER. We did just that. [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > > helping themselves and their friends at the expense of all of us and our > > > children's children's children. Evelyn Ruut - 28 Jan 2004 01:43 GMT > Took Dad to a neurologist appt yesterday and he advised us to take him to > the ER. We did just that. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Ken Ken, I have nothing to offer regarding the insurance situation, but I am SO GLAD to hear that you have things under control and that you are on the way to finding out what is really going on with your Dad. Please keep us posted and good luck.
 Signature Evelyn
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Mare - 28 Jan 2004 02:01 GMT Ken, Glad he's feeling better. It's been a few years since I set Mom up and with the new rules I'm not sure it's still required. At the time you really had to have a Medi-gap policy because Medicare really doesn't protect you from everything. With Medi-gap we rarely have to pay a co-pay. There are varying levels in plans offered. A search on the Medicare site might turn up more current info. --
Mare mfcoleman@THEOLEmindspring.com http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm alt.support.alzheimers' FAQs and Stuff Pages
> Took Dad to a neurologist appt yesterday and he advised us to take him to > the ER. We did just that. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Ken Mare - 28 Jan 2004 02:11 GMT Here's something I posted a few weeks ago. Mare ----- Original Message ----- From: Mare Newsgroups: alt.support.alzheimers Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:29 PM Subject: Medicare Basiscs
For those just starting the journey. Check out the facts. It includes some info on the recent changes.
http://www.medicare.gov/publications/pubs/pdf/11034.pdf
> Ken, > Glad he's feeling better. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > Ken Dennis P. Harris - 28 Jan 2004 05:25 GMT > Everyone says to drop Humana and go with just medicare. Any input on > this??? remember medicare doesn't pay for medication (except for insulin for diabetics). i wouldn't drop any insurance that's at all useful, since he now has pre-existing conditions that will make in impossible for him to qualify for any other insurance.
Gwen Love - 28 Jan 2004 21:40 GMT Dennis, I could be wrong, but from when I started with AARP, I think if you are transferring from another supplement, pre-existing conditions are covered. However, I would not drop one until the other was approved and in place. Gwen ============================================= Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers. Garth Brooks ============================================= | On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:39:02 -0500 in alt.support.alzheimers, | "Ken" <kwest2@yahoo.com> wrote: | | > Everyone says to drop Humana and go with just medicare. Any input on | > this??? | > | remember medicare doesn't pay for medication (except for insulin | for diabetics). i wouldn't drop any insurance that's at all | useful, since he now has pre-existing conditions that will make | in impossible for him to qualify for any other insurance. | |
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