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Carolina Songbird - 31 Aug 2008 01:33 GMT I'm working on a writing project about Alzheimers as a way to channel what's happening to Mom for good. I have learned so much from this group, so I am asking for more help. I don't want to just rely on my experiences.
So here's my question to you:
When you first realized your LO had Alzheimers or any of the related dementias, whether by a doctor's diagnosis or your own conclusions, what were your initial concerns and questions?
I have quite a list already, but how often y'all mention something will help me determine which ones are the most pressing -- and I'm sure there are some I missed.
For those of you who lurk out there -- please jump in here!
Songbird
Evelyn - 31 Aug 2008 02:11 GMT On Aug 30, 8:33 pm, Carolina Songbird <carolinasongb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm working on a writing project about Alzheimers as a way to channel > what's happening to Mom for good. I have learned so much from this [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Songbird Hi Songbird,
Hmmmm..... that was complicated.
My first thought was OMG whatEVER are we going to do????? She was living alone, fiercely independent, wanted to die in her house. She was over a hundred miles away from us and it was very hard for us to come down there to get her treated for all the things she needed. We were terrified she would poison herself eating bad food or leave pots on the stove, or get lost going to the store a block away. All these were valid concerns with good evidence of their likelihood.
She had neglected her teeth, her medical appointments, needed to find a new doctor in her health plan, needed a new hearing aid and new bridgework. She needed to be tested to find out exactly what she had. We needed to find out what the legal ramifications were.
So the first thing we did was get her established with the new doctor in her plan in her area, then we made her an appointment and got tests scheduled, and medication started. This took several visits, each one a big hassle to do.
Next we took her to the hearing aid doctor and got her a new hearing aid.
Next we took her to the dentist and got her teeth fixed. It involved getting some bad ones out and a new bridge. It was a real problem.
Everything was a slow process and a hassle.
She would take too many pills or not enough. Pill boxes didn't work. She couldn't remember if she'd taken them or not and she'd take another.
Her neighbor was looking after her for a while, but soon realized she needed lots more than just looking in on. She eventually called us and told us to come get her.
Another friend who got multitudes of her phone calls, asking what time it was, what day it was, etc. etc..... that lady died.
We then took her to live with us.... and of course got all the legal stuff in order and the public health nurse to evaluate her and a new doctor in our area, and meds to keep her on track, then daycare etc. etc.
It took months to get this all in place. It was all urgent. We had no idea what to do first, so we just made appointments and went full speed ahead.
Evelyn
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 31 Aug 2008 02:35 GMT Songbird, I realized Grayson had AD long before it was mentioned by any doctor. I don't remember having any special concerns or questions. I have a very deep faith in God and I felt that whatever happened, He would be with me and help me through any situation that came up. And He did! Gwen
On Aug 30, 8:33 pm, Carolina Songbird <carolinasongb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm working on a writing project about Alzheimers as a way to channel > what's happening to Mom for good. I have learned so much from this [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Songbird Hi Songbird,
Hmmmm..... that was complicated.
My first thought was OMG whatEVER are we going to do????? She was living alone, fiercely independent, wanted to die in her house. She was over a hundred miles away from us and it was very hard for us to come down there to get her treated for all the things she needed. We were terrified she would poison herself eating bad food or leave pots on the stove, or get lost going to the store a block away. All these were valid concerns with good evidence of their likelihood.
She had neglected her teeth, her medical appointments, needed to find a new doctor in her health plan, needed a new hearing aid and new bridgework. She needed to be tested to find out exactly what she had. We needed to find out what the legal ramifications were.
So the first thing we did was get her established with the new doctor in her plan in her area, then we made her an appointment and got tests scheduled, and medication started. This took several visits, each one a big hassle to do.
Next we took her to the hearing aid doctor and got her a new hearing aid.
Next we took her to the dentist and got her teeth fixed. It involved getting some bad ones out and a new bridge. It was a real problem.
Everything was a slow process and a hassle.
She would take too many pills or not enough. Pill boxes didn't work. She couldn't remember if she'd taken them or not and she'd take another.
Her neighbor was looking after her for a while, but soon realized she needed lots more than just looking in on. She eventually called us and told us to come get her.
Another friend who got multitudes of her phone calls, asking what time it was, what day it was, etc. etc..... that lady died.
We then took her to live with us.... and of course got all the legal stuff in order and the public health nurse to evaluate her and a new doctor in our area, and meds to keep her on track, then daycare etc. etc.
It took months to get this all in place. It was all urgent. We had no idea what to do first, so we just made appointments and went full speed ahead.
Evelyn
Carolina Songbird - 31 Aug 2008 03:04 GMT > Songbird, I realized Grayson had AD long before it was mentioned by any > doctor. I don't remember having any special concerns or questions. I have > a very deep faith in God and I felt that whatever happened, He would be with > me and help me through any situation that came up. And He did! > Gwen Ok, so let me phrase a similar question: If a good friend came to you for advice because his/her spouse was just diagnosed, what would be your practical advice as to how to prepare him/herself for the journey to come? Pray, pray, pray is right up there at top -- but what else?
Evelyn - 31 Aug 2008 03:21 GMT On Aug 30, 10:04 pm, Carolina Songbird <carolinasongb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> sweetpickl...@SPAMknology.net wrote: > > Songbird, I realized Grayson had AD long before it was mentioned by any [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > practical advice as to how to prepare him/herself for the journey to > come? Pray, pray, pray is right up there at top -- but what else? Songbird, it actually just happened to me last week. A friend mentioned that her sister has been diagnosed. I told her the truth about it. She had convinced her sisters boys to remove her from the nursing home and take her back home and they were going to take turns looking after her. After she listened to what I had to say she realized that it was not necessarily the best move. She last told me she was thinking about it and wasn't sure what she was going to do next. In fact I think I ought to call her and ask how things are going.
Evelyn
Steve...has tiger firmly by tail - 31 Aug 2008 06:07 GMT Songbird chirped melodically
> > Ok, so let me phrase a similar question: If a good friend came to you > > for advice because his/her spouse was just diagnosed, what would be your > > practical advice as to how to prepare him/herself for the journey to > > come? Pray, pray, pray is right up there at top -- but what else? 1st and foremost, learn everything you can about Alzheimer's, but realize that every case is different, as is each person.
Find a Doctor that you believe is competent. Keep the doctor informed and up to date on every new development. (keep a notebook, write down all questions to ask the doctor).
Identify your allies, know their strengths and weaknesses, realize your own shortcomings.
Do not dwell on percieved lost opportunities, think of this as a chance to help your loved one.
Toss all blame into the commode and flush twice, this disease is not fore seeable.
Evaluate finances.
Keep a close eye on your own health.
Ask for help!
Grab the tiger by the throat, not the tail.
Steve
Evelyn - 01 Sep 2008 02:25 GMT > Songbird chirped melodically >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Steve Hi Steve, that was so right!
:-)
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Dennis P. Harris - 31 Aug 2008 06:45 GMT > Ok, so let me phrase a similar question: If a good friend came to you > for advice because his/her spouse was just diagnosed, what would be your > practical advice as to how to prepare him/herself for the journey to > come? I would either give them a copy of "The 36 Hour Day" or tell them to buy one.
I would encourage them to be realistic and accept that things will not get better, only worse. I would encourage them to plan ahead for the inevitable, including finding a placement in an assisted living facility long before it is needed.
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 31 Aug 2008 19:39 GMT Dennis, I had not seern your response when I mentioned the same thing. That really gives a good idea of what you are facing. Gwen
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:04:10 -0400 in alt.support.alzheimers, Carolina Songbird <carolinasongbird@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, so let me phrase a similar question: If a good friend came to you > for advice because his/her spouse was just diagnosed, what would be your > practical advice as to how to prepare him/herself for the journey to > come? I would either give them a copy of "The 36 Hour Day" or tell them to buy one.
I would encourage them to be realistic and accept that things will not get better, only worse. I would encourage them to plan ahead for the inevitable, including finding a placement in an assisted living facility long before it is needed.
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 31 Aug 2008 19:36 GMT My next advice would be to get a copy of "The 36 Hour Day". That is a very good introduction to AD and what it involves. Gwen
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net wrote:
> Songbird, I realized Grayson had AD long before it was mentioned by any > doctor. I don't remember having any special concerns or questions. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > me and help me through any situation that came up. And He did! > Gwen Ok, so let me phrase a similar question: If a good friend came to you for advice because his/her spouse was just diagnosed, what would be your practical advice as to how to prepare him/herself for the journey to come? Pray, pray, pray is right up there at top -- but what else?
A R Pickett - 31 Aug 2008 19:41 GMT Songbird inquired -
If a good friend came to you
> for advice because his/her spouse was just diagnosed, what would be your > practical advice as to how to prepare him/herself for the journey to come? Hi Songbird -
In addition to the other advice offered in response to your question (all of which I agree with) I would encourage the family to begin investigating and applying for residential care ASAP, even if there is no immediate need.
ANd legalities must be addressed sooner rather than later, wills in order, powers of attorney, and eldercare financial planning.
Twice, once with my mother in law and once with my parents, my spouse, my adult siblings and I struggled in frustration to make it clear how important this was. My parents probably ended up in the best situation, but it was not ideal.
My poor little mother in law had no plans or preferences in place, and ended up in a series of residential situations, all of which left something to be desired -
The reason I stress advance research in residential placement is that if the move becomes unavoidable, through intervention by medical providers or by the illness or declining health of the caregiver, the patient will go where there is room (this is what happened to my mother in law) The reason there will be room on short notice is that no one wants to go there or have their loved one there.
Hope this helps!
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Barbara H - 31 Aug 2008 13:12 GMT Hi Songbird, You've been so helpful to me I'm happy to answer your question.
When my Dad began to show signs of dimentia, nobody saw it but me. He was quite capable of being totally self sufficient and only bothered slightly by the silly things he couldn't remember any more and a loss of some of his dexterity. He was getting clumsy. I wondered how he was going to continue to live alone. I worried about him cooking, driving and remembering to lock up at night. In other words, his safety. I guess somebody was looking out for him during all of that because we've made it to the stage where he no longer cooks or drives and he still knows to lock up. I also hoped for a slow progression and that's what has happened. At least at this stage his family, friends and neighbors all understand what is happening to him. That's part of why he is still able to live alone. He has a lot of people watching out for him. Most of them he doesn't remember who they are ..... oh well.
About all he can do now is care for his dog and feed the backyard birds. That's his purpose in life. He loves to go .... anywhere! One of us will take him out every single morning for breakfast and a drive in the country and again in late afternoon. Never dreamed we'd be spending so much on gas. It's worth it. He likes to get home in time to watch the Andy Griffith show on TV. He thinks it's a new show and that Andy and Barney are quite a team.
Also, in the beginning my biggest fear other than his safety was that he would no longer recognize who we were and that would break my heart. Sort of a selfish fear but I just couldn't imagine him "gone" in that way. I guess it still could happen but so far he's been able to hang on to those of us closest to him.
> I'm working on a writing project about Alzheimers as a way to channel > what's happening to Mom for good. I have learned so much from this group, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Songbird Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 03 Sep 2008 01:43 GMT I've told the story here before, but our first inkling there was something not quite right with my mother in law came out of her Sunday dinners. She was quite a good cook, and made very elaborate dinners, which we routinely went to on Sundays. She'd have everything just perfect - all the good china, cloth napkins, rolls and butter, condiments, gravy, fancy vegetable dishes, home made dessert, a pot of tea for after.
What I first noticed...and my husband did not, since he's kind of oblivious on the domestic front ....was that her dinners started to get a bit ragged. The table would not be quite so perfectly set, or she'd have forgotten pie forks, or to put the mint sauce out. Previously she'd had perfect timing in terms of preparation and cooking - everything was ready to be served right on time like magic. Suddenly, the meat would be overcooked but the veg or potatoe not quite done. She'd forget the rolls, or the dessert. Or she'd have the pie and forget the ice cream (and with her, if you had pie, you HAD to have ice cream). She also started having trouble remembering what we'd arranged. We'd have a conversation about how we'd be over at 4 pm on Sunday, and she'd call four times more to reconfirm when we were coming.
At the time, I was sure it was related to her Pernicious Anemia (which I believe is now called Addison's Anemia). That is the form that is caused by an autoimmune disorder, and prevents you from absorbing B12, so you need B12 shots monthly. She'd had cataract surgery, and in the aftermath, had not gone for her monthly shots for several months. When I found out, I had looked up potential symptoms on the internet and discovered that improperly or inadequately treated Pernicious Anemia can cause memory problems. I was so convinced, I mentioned her forgetfulness to our doctor (we happened to see the same doctor) when I took her over for an appointment to make sure she got her shot.
He expressed doubt that she had a problem (he'd known her for years, and at the time, she was quite together socially and in terms of appearance), and then went into the office with her. He ran some little memory and cognitive tests on her, and then came back out in the hall and took me aside. His face was ashen - he was clearly totally shocked. He showed me some of the drawings he had had her make, of clock faces and little stick drawings she had to copy. It was clear there was something HUGELY wrong with her that went far beyond memory. Given a clock face with a 12 on it in the right spot and being asked to write the rest of the numbers around the dial, she had written 3,4,5,6 in a trailing line beside the 12. She couldn't put the hands on a clock to indicate a specific time like 3 oclock (she wrote 00 beside the 3, and nothing more). Asked to copy a single drawing of a house, she made a bunch of random straight lines. It was like the ground went right out from under my feet.
Like everyone else, I was totally rocked by this idea. I had never dealt with dementia first hand, and really didn't know what it meant. I just had no clue at all what was going to happen. Given that my husband was an only child, and we were the parents of two small kids (a third arrived during her illness), I'm pretty sure part of my reaction was an omigod, how WILL we manage this?
I'll include my advice to the families of the newly diagnosed in a separate e-mail.
Mary
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