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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / July 2008There are two ways to reply to the posts here......
Hi all, There are two ways to reply to the posts here......One is by typing an actual reply, and the other is with a very loud silence. Sometimes the latter is the kinder reply. Especially when someone who is obviously all wet posts some pet theory which is of no help to those who have a sick relative to deal with. Just a proverbial "word to the wise...." Evelyn Hi, Evelyn, Haven't seen you around the board in a bit -- I missed you! Songbird On Jun 28, 8:30 pm, "carolinasongb...@gmail.com" <carolinasongb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, Evelyn, > > Haven't seen you around the board in a bit -- I missed you! > > Songbird Hi Songbird, I am still reading here, and occasionally posting too. Time Warner pulled the plug on usenet groups, so I can only post and read through google now. It is a little more difficult, but I am managing. I plan to get set up on one of the free servers (got a list of possibles) but have to figure out some things first. I have read about your difficulties with your Dad. It is just amazing that this has been going on for so long. My own father is similar you know. My mother is gone since 2000, but he has been getting worse with vascular deficiency to his brain. Just to let you know I admire your courage, and I know it is hard. Best, Evelyn > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Evelyn This is an unmoderated group Evelyn. People may post, reply to posts, or ... not. Nobody needs you to give them direction, thank you. > > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > This is an unmoderated group Evelyn. People may post, reply to posts, or ... > not. Nobody needs you to give them direction, thank you. That is right. And I can say whatever I want just as you can. Thank you. E. On Jun 29, 2:19 am, "SamL" <rep...@group.pls> wrote: > "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:baf3404d-d698-4bd9-af14-cd79204fc348@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ... > not. Nobody needs you to give them direction, thank you. That is right. And I can say whatever I want just as you can. Thank you. ********************************* Thank you Evelyn, but I already knew that. However, now that you've stated you are aware that on usenet people can say whatever they like, I assume you'll be comfortable with me reminding you of this next time you attempt to moderate the likes of ironjustice or Eddyjean? > On Jun 29, 2:19 am, "SamL" <rep...@group.pls> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey if you can't take the heat, you should get out of the kitchen. This is usenet. Deal with it. E. On Jun 29, 10:44 pm, "SamL" <rep...@group.pls> wrote: > "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey if you can't take the heat, you should get out of the kitchen. This is usenet. Deal with it. *********************************************************** Wow ... didn't mean to rattle your cage like that :) Settle down. > On Jun 29, 10:44 pm, "SamL" <rep...@group.pls> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - No problem. Evelyn > This is an unmoderated group Evelyn. People may post, reply to posts, or ... > not. Nobody needs you to give them direction, thank you. and people can put lamebrains like you right into their killfiles. PLONK. >> This is an unmoderated group Evelyn. People may post, reply to posts, or >> ... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > PLONK. Namecalling is for schoolyard bullies Dennis. And what makes you imagine that *anyone* is interested in how you configure your newsreader?? A public killfiler ... how pathetic. Now please get back on topic. I know Evelyn originated this OT thread, but it seems everyone wants to put their 2c worth in. If enough of us join together we can make a difference. The nursing homes can become a safe haven for residents and workers alike. I am certain much of the screaming and crying would end. I know of no more pitiful situation. Gail Michael I agree. I had to reformat my laptop (Watch out for XP service pack 3 if you have AMD processors) Anyway I'm refilling my killfile. Seems some things haven't changed here. I've noticed some new borderline trolls. I had to top post this time---couldn't resist LOL ......June > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Evelyn There are two ways to reply to the posts here...... Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2008, 1:16pm From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com (Evelyn) Hi all, There are two ways to reply to the posts here......One is by typing an actual reply, and the other is with a very loud silence. Sometimes the latter is the kinder reply. Especially when someone who is obviously all wet posts some pet theory which is of no help to those who have a sick relative to deal with. Just a proverbial "word to the wise...." Evelyn ========================================== There you go again, Evelyn, putting everyone down that has a different view from yours.. Your the one who's all wet! May I suggest you go to Columbia University in NYC and educate yourself at the same place Dr. Hunt did his research and taught? You might learn something new there that you don't want to know. The truth! EddyJean > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:19:23 +0800 in alt.support.alzheimers, > "SamL" <reply2@group.pls> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > PLONK. >Namecalling is for schoolyard bullies >Dennis. And what makes you imagine >that *anyone* is interested in how you >configure your newsreader?? A public >killfiler ... how pathetic. >Now please get back on topic. I know >Evelyn originated this OT thread, but >it seems everyone wants to put their 2c >worth in. Well im from England, so i will put my 2pence worth in. > There are two ways to reply to the posts here...... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > EddyJean EddyJean, You are a pitiful case, and you have no idea how pitiful. It is so obvious that you are stuck on an idea that isn't valid and you keep trying to push it down peoples throats. Some have told you politely and some have called you a crackpot and some have you killfiled. You tell us you have alzheimers, but your memory is too good for that to be true. You do need help though, and I hope you get it. Evelyn I am here to tell you all once again, that nursing homes are not all they are cracked up to be. Answers or silence is fine with me, but I will never back down from what I know to be the truth. It is important to listen to what the person going into the home has to say or shouts or cries for no apparent reason except it is thought to be their difficult personality coming to the fore. I have seen many old people cry and shout and I know they can be upset by the environment of the home with anti-depressants. The person on the anti-depressant fares pretty well, but the damage it creates for the others is pure killing. Will write again, unable to now. Gail Michael On Jul 1, 3:04 am, eddyj...@webtv.net (EddyJean) wrote: > There are two ways to reply to the posts here...... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > EddyJean EddyJean, You are a pitiful case, and you have no idea how pitiful. It is so obvious that you are stuck on an idea that isn't valid and you keep trying to push it down peoples throats. Some have told you politely and some have called you a crackpot and some have you killfiled. You tell us you have alzheimers, but your memory is too good for that to be true. You do need help though, and I hope you get it. Evelyn > I am here to tell you all once again, that nursing homes are not all they > are cracked up to be. Answers or silence is fine with me, but I will [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > unable to now. > Gail Michael I agree. But what is the alternative? When my 100 year old MIL went into the nursing home she was of sound mind. She put herself into the NH because she knew her surviving children who by then were in their 70's and 80's couldn't take care of her and she knew it. She was incontinent and couldn't walk without assistance. Her youngest daughter offered to have her stay at her home but MIL refused (with good reason, which I won't go into here). I was caring for a special needs grandson (trach, CPAP), so I couldn't really take on anymore but I don't think she would have stayed with us because she was one independent woman. I think MIL had originally had a stroke and within a few weeks at the NH was yelling out bingo numbers. Yes she was put on medication but she was having terrible hallucinations as well. The staff said they had never seem such a swift decline in mental abilities. I remember posting that here in the newsgroup back then and Dennis suggested that it was probably due to a lack of circulation to the brain. I'm sure he was right. Just a few years before when MIL was in her 90's she was telling a my daughter that one of her worse nightmares was to be one of those old ladies in a NH yelling out. How sad. BTW only 2 of her 6 children are still living. The daughter that offered to care for her died within a few months of her mother. Another daughter a year later. We are a society that is living longer and we have a conscience. Not all NH are equal. I'm posting this not because I think it will change Gail's mind but because of those out there who feel guilty about putting their loved ones in a NH. The last place my MIL wanted to be was that nursing home but she was in her right mind when she made the decision to go. Perhaps if your LO had their right mind they might make the same unselfish decision......June Thank you for your post, June. You are very right, there is no good alternative, so the nursing home becomes a necessity. What I am getting at, is that the nursing homes can be safe and comfortable, but choose the anti-depressants which create a dangerous environment. I believe they are paid to prescribe these meds. As Evelyn said, her MIL was prescribed anti-depressants and did well on them. That is true, but if NO ONE at the home was on an anti-depressant, she may never have need them. They create the need for anti-depressans most often by their use by others. I know it sounds strange what I am saying, but years of observation and personal experience have made this statement as accurate as nothing I have ever felt. Too bad, a simple revocation of anti-depressants can test the theoy, and see the behavior of the residents as they become more comfortable and quiet, as nothing is altering their mind and body. I am really not interested in what people say, help is what I need for thousands of people to live safely and comfortably. In years past Valium was the drug of choice for nervous problems, but progress brought anti-depressants in a big way and no one is going to back down. Anti-depressants are mind altering drugs like all hard drugs, and I am convinced they should be curbed, or at least nursing homes should be dividided by whether they use anti-depressants and those that do not. That would be a fair choice for the residents. Trouble is, this is a very simple, but very difficult concept to understand about anti-depressants, and so many are sacrificed to this very unnecessary, to say the least, hardship that can lead to tremendous harm. Gail Michael >> I am here to tell you all once again, that nursing homes are not all they >> are cracked up to be. Answers or silence is fine with me, but I will [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> again, unable to now. >> Gail Michael On Jul 2, 12:52 pm, "news.chi.sbcglobal.net" <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you for your post, June. You are very right, there is no good > alternative, so the nursing home becomes a necessity. What I am getting [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Gail, my mother in law was OFF the anti depressants when she was in the nursing home. She had been put on them at home, because she was so depressed. She knew something was wrong but didn't know what it was and felt she was losing her mind. The anti depressants helped that. Everyone please take note of this; Gail believes that if you are around someone on anti-depressants that it can affect YOU. This is impossible of course. We sure do get 'em here. Evelyn > Everyone please take note of this; Gail believes that if you are > around someone on anti-depressants that it can affect YOU. This is > impossible of course. Not only impossible, but how would you explain people who are not in NHs who need them? Who live alone? Who did they "catch" that need from? I do agree that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Anti-depressants may well be prescribed to people who would be better served thorugh alternative therapies because they ARE so effective for some people. Generalizations are dangerous about any class of drugs or therapies. Personally I am grateful for the people who can take care of my LOs when I do not have the skills, temperament, time or patience to do it myself! Evelyn, I never said anti-depressants do not help. Actually, they are very good at curbing depression. Again, my objection is the mind/body connection that harms innocent people. This is not of my doing nor of your MIL's doing. It is just something that is fact. And your statement that "of course that is impossble" is your opinion. Anything is possible, maybe not likely, but possible. It is strange, I agree, but strange things do occur in the planet. How the stimulants are able to transfer harm is not explainable, or I would not have to be writing. My posts are to explain and be aware of this strange phenomenom. It can't always help as 99% or 99.9 percent feel as you do. They go by reasoning. Well crohns and UC do not respond to reasoning. They are illnesses like no other. Inexplainable and misunderstood by everyone, including the physicians. But I have read of physicians that had crohns, and they could not figure out their situatiion. So everyone stands to benefit if at least they suspect there may be some truth to this. And "We sure do get em here" I could feel that way about you, but I do not. I know where you are coming from, but my position seems to be in La La land to quote others. That is fine with me, but the one person that may benefit is worth the discussion. Gail > Everyone please take note of this; Gail believes that if you are > around someone on anti-depressants that it can affect YOU. This is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Evelyn Thanks for clearing that up for me, Evelyn. I guess I didn't think that anybody could possibly be that mentally challenged and still be able to type. Hmmm considering the trolls that we encountered here I should have known.......June Gail, my mother in law was OFF the anti depressants when she was in the nursing home. She had been put on them at home, because she was so depressed. She knew something was wrong but didn't know what it was and felt she was losing her mind. The anti depressants helped that. Everyone please take note of this; Gail believes that if you are around someone on anti-depressants that it can affect YOU. This is impossible of course. We sure do get 'em here. Evelyn ========================================= Evelyn, Nothing is impossible, only to those with a narrow closed mind as yours. CNN has reported children waking up during the night and predicting the future, can you explain it? You were posting on newsgroups from morning to night, and you want us to believe you were the sole caretaker for your MIL or was she doped up on anti-depressants all day? It seems, you and your followers, are all pro-pharmica but say your retired???? I have nothing good to say about anti-depressants either. They try to smother the symptoms but ignore the root cause: viruses.. I couldn't believe nursing homes still prescribed "Haldol" when I believe Europe banned the drug a long time ago. A good alternative to nursing homes is research on cranial/facial diseases and medical schools accountable to "Neutral" Committees instead of allowing them to police themselves. EddyJean Come to think of it, Google does not seem to think my writings are too far out to publish. I am not computer smart, so I don't know how they determine to publish someone on a blog? On AOL search Kureforcrohns there are many of my writings there. Gail On Jul 2, 6:17 pm, "news.chi.sbcglobal.net" <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Come to think of it, Google does not seem to think my writings are too far > out to publish. I am not computer smart, so I don't know how they > determine to publish someone on a blog? On AOL search Kureforcrohns > there are many of my writings there. > Gail Gail you are not being "published" here. This is a public newsgroup and if you want to say the moon is made of green cheese and martians are running around in your back yard you can do so. It isn't publishing, it is just a newsgroup. I am sorry and hate to offend you, but I personally consider your cockamamy ideas to be about as far out as a person can get without getting yourself locked up. Maybe you consider yourself harmless, but this is a serious illness and people are really suffering with family members who are ill. Your strange and improbable theories only create confusion and more heartbreak for them. It is hard enough to have to place a loved on in a nursing home without your ranting on about other peoples medicine sending weird 'vibes' to everyone else around them. Get over it Gail. It isn't true, and you are all wet, and you are just making a nuisance of yourself. Most people here have killfiled you already. That should tell you something. E. Evelyn, Maybe I am not understanding you. I do not mean Google is publishing my comments on usenet. They are printing them in another place I thought maybe is called a blog. where one puts the name Kureforcrohns and then hit search. I think it is an AOL with google activity. Anyway, the big point is you think what I say about crohns and anti-depressants has no merit. I do not mean to confuse anyone, it is just information I thought would be helpful. Why otherwise would I be so persistent. But I will be persistent no longer. (maybe) If I can offer what I consider proof, I will write. But I am not free to do so. I am not offended, worse has been said. And killfilling me is the proper thing to do if I am worthless in my discussion. So, we can say we have both expressed our opinions amiably? That is what the usenet is for. We will never agree on the subject, so if I feel compelled to repeat the theory in certain circumstances, I must and you must do what you think is best. Killfile me or let your answer be silence. Sincerely Gail On Jul 2, 6:17 pm, "news.chi.sbcglobal.net" <kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Come to think of it, Google does not seem to think my writings are too far > out to publish. I am not computer smart, so I don't know how they > determine to publish someone on a blog? On AOL search Kureforcrohns > there are many of my writings there. > Gail Gail you are not being "published" here. This is a public newsgroup and if you want to say the moon is made of green cheese and martians are running around in your back yard you can do so. It isn't publishing, it is just a newsgroup. I am sorry and hate to offend you, but I personally consider your cockamamy ideas to be about as far out as a person can get without getting yourself locked up. Maybe you consider yourself harmless, but this is a serious illness and people are really suffering with family members who are ill. Your strange and improbable theories only create confusion and more heartbreak for them. It is hard enough to have to place a loved on in a nursing home without your ranting on about other peoples medicine sending weird 'vibes' to everyone else around them. Get over it Gail. It isn't true, and you are all wet, and you are just making a nuisance of yourself. Most people here have killfiled you already. That should tell you something. E. Incidentally, I have someone in a nursing home, and I hassle the administrator to the limit with no success. I will say when one nurse (male) asked me why he was hurting so much, I told him it was because this person on an anti-depressant was sitting in front of his desk and observing him all the time for lack of something better to do. Within the week, he said his doctor told him he has crohns. I thought he would say something to the administrator, but he just gave notice and quit. Far as I know from his f riend who also left, says he is fine. They have just decided to remove the chair from its position as so many nurses have left. Does that say something. I am tired as you must be from this discussion. so I will let go for the time being. Gail Usually I do not write so much as I am generally despaired. EddyJean, You are a pitiful case, and you have no idea how pitiful. It is so obvious that you are stuck on an idea that isn't valid and you keep trying to push it down peoples throats. Some have told you politely and some have called you a crackpot and some have you killfiled. You tell us you have alzheimers, but your memory is too good for that to be true. You do need help though, and I hope you get it. Evelyn ========================================== Well, Evelyn, you, and your followers, never could tolerate the truth. Wrong again, I didn't write I have Alzheimers. My late mother was diagnosed with AD in the late stages with complete memory loss. Since doctors know nothing on Ramsay Hunt Syndrome, I believe her diagnosis was incorrect and should have been RHS. RHS symptoms are very similar to AD. Both diseases cause dementia or memory loss and other similarities in symptoms. I have RHS including dementia but no help for it anywhere in the entire U.S.A. Can you imagine the outrage folks would feel knowing the late Dr. Hunt discovered the virus that causes RHS but nothing was done except to cover up his work causing thousands to needlessly suffer and die?????? If anyone deserves Justice for what's been done to him, its the late Dr.Hunt! By the way, most, as the church, thought Galilleo was a "crackpot" because he believed the earth was round and not flat but jailed and killed for being right. It's people like you, Evenlyn, who keep medicine in the "dark" ages. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing --- Edmund Burke EddyJean |
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