My dad has Mom's POA and HCPOA. She is definitely not competent to
handle her own financial affairs -- she does not remember the date,
how to write a check, etc. -- or medical ones, as she remembers little
of her own medical history and cannot manage her meds.
But now Dad is making some very questionable decisions on her behalf.
(Recent example: he was going to move both of them out of AL facility
into a 2BR apt with another AL resident (also with dementia) to take
care of Mom, who has multiple medical problems in addition to
dementia. I got him talked out of that -- for now.) He has also become
belligerent, erratic and paranoid. As has happened before, I am the
target of most of his anger. Several people, including the nurses at
the AL, have said they think he is in early stages of dementia. (He
moved in simply because he said he could not bear being separated from
her -- he still is managing his own meds, driving, etc.)
Her POA names my brother and I as standby POA, but also says we cannot
act unless Dad is dead, declared incompetent, resigns or is removed.
All of my mom's siblings and mine have said they will back me if I
have to go to court to keep her somewhere that she has 24-hr. nursing
on call. (She is a very uncontrolled diabetic -- partly because Dad
keeps giving her milkshakes as a "treat.") The AL staff agrees with me
that she would deteriorate rapidly without supervision.
I am meeting with an attorney tomorrow so I know what I will need to
do when the time comes. Any experience with this, or ideas on what to
ask? Thanks.
Dennis P. Harris - 23 Jun 2008 03:01 GMT
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:06:40 -0700 (PDT) in
alt.support.alzheimers, "carolinasongbird@gmail.com"
> Her POA names my brother and I as standby POA, but also says we cannot
> act unless Dad is dead, declared incompetent, resigns or is removed.
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> do when the time comes. Any experience with this, or ideas on what to
> ask? Thanks.
Well, as much as it will anger him, you need to ignore him and
have him declared incompetent. It helps to document everything,
but having the AL staff on your side certainly helps.
Just remember it's not him, it's the disease, and that he can no
longer reason. I can tell you from experience that having to
parent a parent (especially one in denial) is the hardest thing
you will ever do.
august - 23 Jun 2008 07:07 GMT
> My dad has Mom's POA and HCPOA. She is definitely not competent to
> handle her own financial affairs -- she does not remember the date,
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> do when the time comes. Any experience with this, or ideas on what to
> ask? Thanks.
Remember that he is not capable of making decisions and that it is up to
you, however painful it might be, to do all the thinking and decision making
for both of them.
I do not envy your position at all. good luck with everything. AW
Chuck Whealton - 24 Jun 2008 01:33 GMT
On Jun 22, 9:06 pm, "carolinasongb...@gmail.com"
<carolinasongb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My dad has Mom's POA and HCPOA. She is definitely not competent to
> handle her own financial affairs -- she does not remember the date,
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> do when the time comes. Any experience with this, or ideas on what to
> ask? Thanks.
Well Carolina, like the others here, I don't envy you on this one
either.
Be careful. I, and my cousins, ran into the predicament where my Aunt
was suffering from Alzheimers and my Uncle was suffering from Pick's
Disease - both at the same time, as you're parents appear to be.
My Uncle was a brilliant man, though this may have had nothing to do
with it. For the longest time, he convinced his own doctor and lawyer
that he was just fine, which gave my cousins no real ammunition for
the court. We all knew he was suffering from a dementia related
illness.
Finally, his own lawyer started to see there was a problem, and
gradually, my cousins got control of his and my Aunt's affairs, though
I don't remember all of the details.
It wasn't easy and it put them through a living hell. This certainly
isn't to depress you, but just a warning. I hope things go better for
you. Just watch out. It's incredible how a many that we knew was so
ill was able to full people for months and months.
Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
Chuck Whealton - 24 Jun 2008 01:40 GMT
On Jun 22, 9:06 pm, "carolinasongb...@gmail.com"
<carolinasongb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My dad has Mom's POA and HCPOA. She is definitely not competent to
> handle her own financial affairs -- she does not remember the date,
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> do when the time comes. Any experience with this, or ideas on what to
> ask? Thanks.
Well Carolina, like the others here, I don't envy you on this one
either.
Be careful. My cousins, ran into the predicament where my Aunt was
suffering from Alzheimers and my Uncle was suffering from Pick's
Disease - both at the same time, as your parents appear to be.
My Uncle was a brilliant man, though this may have had nothing to do
with it. For the longest time, he convinced his own doctor and
lawyer
that he was just fine, which gave my cousins no ammunition for the
courts. We all knew he was suffering from a dementia related
illness.
Finally, his own lawyer started to see there really was a problem, and
gradually, my cousins got control of his and my Aunt's affairs,
though
I don't remember all of the details.
It wasn't easy and it put them through a living hell. This certainly
isn't to depress you, but just a warning. I hope things go better
for
you. Just watch out. It's incredible how a man that we all knew was
so ill was able to fool people for months and months.
Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
carolinasongbird@gmail.com - 25 Jun 2008 03:08 GMT
Basically the attorney says I have to let them hit bottom. The way my
dad's POA is written, it will never take effect. (The attorney he
wrote it as he asked, and circumstances have since changed.) Dad could
execute a new POA if he did it soon, but considering his paranoia that
I am trying to run his life, he is just as likely to assign the POA to
someone else. (And considering his judgment, that could be
*anybody.*)
Once they prove (or more specifically *he* proves) unfit, I can sue
them in probate court for conservatorship and/or guardianship. That
will be nasty and expensive. So the idea is to jolly Dad along as long
as possible.
Dennis P. Harris - 25 Jun 2008 04:01 GMT
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:08:30 -0700 (PDT) in
alt.support.alzheimers, "carolinasongbird@gmail.com"
> Basically the attorney says I have to let them hit bottom. The way my
> dad's POA is written, it will never take effect. (The attorney he
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> will be nasty and expensive. So the idea is to jolly Dad along as long
> as possible.
well, this is when you or someone who knows him and knows about
the circumstances can contact your state's adult protective
services agency and report what he's doing as elder abuse.