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EddyJean - 21 Jun 2008 08:20 GMT
It's reported, over 200,000 patients die each year from prescribed drugs
because of serious side effects.  Doctors' don't know the cause of
Alzheimers, even though the cause was discovered in 1907, 101 years ago,
by the late Dr. James R. Hunt. It appears the pharmaceuticals are
playing a dangerous game, formulating medicine to suppress symptoms but
ignoring the underlying cause. --And we wonder why health care costs are
out of control??????

EddyJean
Chuck Whealton - 24 Jun 2008 01:53 GMT
> It's reported, over 200,000 patients die each year from prescribed drugs
> because of serious side effects.  Doctors' don't know the cause of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> EddyJean

EddyJean:

I have to tell you that I just searched on:

Dr. James R. Hunt
and a number of variations.

And I'm not really seeing anything on this man when it comes to
alzheimers.  Could you please provide a search string for any of the
major search engines that would bring up information on this
gentleman?

I'm not trying to antagonize you, or anybody else on this group, but
the only posts I found on Dr. James R. Hunt were your posts.  No
questiion, I could have missed something.

Has anybody else got any information on this man?

Thanks...

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
EddyJean - 24 Jun 2008 17:42 GMT
EddyJean:
I have to tell you that I just searched on:
Dr. James R. Hunt
and a number of variations.
And I'm not really seeing anything on this man when it comes to
alzheimers. Could you please provide a search string for any of the
major search engines that would bring up information on this gentleman?
I'm not trying to antagonize you, or anybody else on this group, but the
only posts I found on Dr. James R. Hunt were your posts. No questiion, I
could have missed something.
Has anybody else got any information on this man?
Thanks...
Charles R. Whealton
==========================================

Charles:
You won't find information connecting Alzheimers to Ramsay-Hunt
Syndrome. In fact, when I began to search for Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome, it
was done in bits and pieces, information from here and there to connect
the dots.  At the time of my inquiry, in the early 1990s, NORD, The
National Organization of Rare Disorders, did not list Ramsayl-Hunt
Syndrome but do now. Alzheimer symptoms are very simiilar to Ramsay-Hunt
Syndrome. There must be a reason why the medical profession is so
staunchly opposed to studying RHS discovered by an American icon in
1907. In my opinion, if RHS were studied again from the ground up, I
have little doubt the virus that causes RHS is similar, or the same one,
that causes Alzheimers.
The American Medical Association is a federal organization that lists
all discovered viruses. They have a responsibility to respond to
questions from "We the People." If AMA does not respond, they are
breaking the law. Report it to your U.S. senators and/or
representatives. This why we pay taxes; they work for us.

EddyJean.
A R Pickett - 25 Jun 2008 00:58 GMT
Eddy Jean wrote in part - > The American Medical Association is a federal
organization that lists
> all discovered viruses. They have a responsibility to respond to
> questions from "We the People." If AMA does not respond, they are
> breaking the law. Report it to your U.S. senators and/or
> representatives. This why we pay taxes; they work for us.

Huh????

The AMA is a non profit professional organization of physicians and surgeons
in the US.  I'm confident that they have no authority as a branch of the
government in any way shape or form

I know, I know, don't feed the trolls, but I couldn't let this howler stand
unchallenged.

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nntp.aioe.org - 24 Jun 2008 18:27 GMT
There are 838 hits when you search for "James Ramsay Hunt" on Goggle
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22James+Ramsay+Hunt+%22&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

None of the disease's symptoms he found and lent his name to are at all
similar to Altzheimers.
No one has to write anyone to get more info on him. Check PubMed yourself.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/

The library might also have information .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ramsay_Hunt

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25632
"Mental functions are intact."

Buy the article
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/citation/94/2/503

http://www.ramsayhunt.org/about.shtml
http://www.ramsayhunt.org/symp.shtml

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&term=Hunt%20JR%5BPS%5D

http://books.google.com/books?id=eDvHZWRo9_0C&pg=PT454&lpg=PT454&dq=%22james+ram
say+hunt%22&source=web&ots=wmraGTjgWm&sig=yyfmhdGt8tc7FaBwoNQrHxK3cJ4#PPT454,M1


On Jun 21, 3:20 am, eddyj...@webtv.net (EddyJean) wrote:
> It's reported, over 200,000 patients die each year from prescribed drugs
> because of serious side effects. Doctors' don't know the cause of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> EddyJean

EddyJean:

I have to tell you that I just searched on:

Dr. James R. Hunt
and a number of variations.

And I'm not really seeing anything on this man when it comes to
alzheimers.  Could you please provide a search string for any of the
major search engines that would bring up information on this
gentleman?

I'm not trying to antagonize you, or anybody else on this group, but
the only posts I found on Dr. James R. Hunt were your posts.  No
questiion, I could have missed something.

Has anybody else got any information on this man?

Thanks...

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
EddyJean - 25 Jun 2008 18:19 GMT
Mona wrote:                                                    None of
the disease's symptoms he found and lent his name to are at all similar
to Altzheimers.
==========================================
Mona:
How do you know? Few doctors ever heard of Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome before,
or the disease he discovered 101 years ago. When speaking to  doctors on
"Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome", nearly all say, huh? Strangely, doctors'
acknowledge the late Dr. Bell from Scotland who discovered Bell's Palsy
somewhere around the 1840s but know nothing about one of our own great
American doctors, the late Dr. Hunt. It's as if the man never existed.
Now the so-called "experts" come out of the woodwork on Ramay-Hunt
Syndrome but unable to find a doctor in the entire country who knows how
to treat it. Ramay-Hunt is similar to Alzheimers, both cause memory
loss/ dementias. In fact, in my opinion, if research were done from the
ground up on Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome, I wouldn't be surprised a bit if
Alzheimers is actually Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome.
May I add here, while my hat is off to the dedicated researchers working
hard to find a cure to Alzheimers, most prefer the "easy" studies.
Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome as AD are complex. Imagine, RHS discovered 101
years ago by the FATHER OF NEUROLOGY in the United States, a consultant
to a number of NYC hospitals and mental institutions but no one follows
up on his work after his death in 1937???  Something wrong here.

EddyJean
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 24 Jun 2008 22:05 GMT
He was a US neurologist around the turn of the 20th century (i.e. he
graduated in 1893). He described some syndromes that now bear his
name, and have been broken into several types:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25632

The one now called Ramsay Hunt Syndrome II is caused by herpes zoster,
which is the chicken pox virus, getting into various facial and
cranial nerves and generally causing a lot of misery.

The guy certainly described some neurological complications of virus
infection, but he retired in 1935, which was the year they finally
isolated the tobacco mosaic virus - in other words, virology was in
its infancy.The contention that this guy had the problem of
Alzheimer's licked, soup to nuts, cause and cure... and the universe
has been conspiring since to suppress his work is ...well...insulting
to all the very fine researchers working hard over the last century.

And no Eddy Jean, I don't want to debate the subject with you.

M.
Chuck Whealton - 24 Jun 2008 23:27 GMT
On Jun 24, 5:05 pm, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote:
> He was a US neurologist around the turn of the 20th century (i.e. he
> graduated in 1893). He described some syndromes that now bear his
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> M.

Thanks to those who responded.

I missed the middle name being "Ramsay" and I'm finding the
information now.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
EddyJean - 28 Jun 2008 06:48 GMT
Re: Prescription Drugs  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Jun 24, 2008, 2:05pm From:
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org
He was a US neurologist around the turn of the 20th century (i.e. he
graduated in 1893). He described some syndromes that now bear his name,
and have been broken into several types:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25632
The one now called Ramsay Hunt Syndrome II is caused by herpes zoster,
which is the chicken pox virus, getting into various facial and cranial
nerves and generally causing a lot of misery.
The guy certainly described some neurological complications of virus
infection, but he retired in 1935, which was the year they finally
isolated the tobacco mosaic virus - in other words, virology was in its
infancy.The contention that this guy had the problem of Alzheimer's
licked, soup to nuts, cause and cure... and the universe has been
conspiring since to suppress his work is ...well...insulting to all the
very fine researchers working hard over the last century.
And no Eddy Jean, I don't want to debate the subject with you.
M.
=========================================
M.
I agree with much of what you've written but where's the research on
Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome  after Dr. Hunt's death in 1937 until the present
time?  Dr. Hunt's research involved neurological (facial/cranial)
diseases but can't find serious research on RHS anywhere. Surely, Dr.
Hunt, an icon, wrote books but can't find those either. If you know who
is researching RHS, would you kindly let the readers of this newsgroup
know?

EddyJean
Bud - 28 Jun 2008 21:34 GMT
> ...but where's the research on
> Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome after Dr. Hunt's death in 1937 until the present
> time?  
> ...If you know who
> is researching RHS, would you kindly let the readers of this newsgroup
> know?

Or one might simply Google "Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome" for more than one really
probably cares to know. :-)

www.ramsayhunt.org/

www.mayoclinic.com/health/ramsay-hunt-syndrome/DS00878

www.medicinenet.com/ramsay_hunt_syndrome/article.htm

www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001647.htm

www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic420.htm

rarediseases.about.com/od/rarediseasesr/a/081304.htm

etc., etc., etc.  ad nauseum.

Bud
Evelyn - 29 Jun 2008 00:37 GMT
> > ...but where's the research on
> > Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome after Dr. Hunt's death in 1937 until the present
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Bud

Hi Bud,

You got the last part right.   (gag)

Not to be taken seriously at all.

Evelyn
SamL - 29 Jun 2008 07:26 GMT
<snip>

Hi Bud,

You got the last part right.   (gag)

Not to be taken seriously at all.

*****************************************
Evelyn, a "proverbial word to the wise" ...

" There are two ways to reply to the posts here......One is by typing an
> actual reply, and the other is with a very loud silence.
>
> Sometimes the latter is the kinder reply.    Especially when someone
> who is obviously all wet posts some pet theory which is of no help to
> those who have a sick relative to deal with."

So, your reply, in continuation of this thread, is helpful to those who have
a sick relative ... in what way, exactly?

Ahh ... I see. You mean *other people* must exercise silence. Not *you*.
Bud - 29 Jun 2008 18:37 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Ahh ... I see. You mean *other people* must exercise silence. Not *you*.

No, she is supporting us sickies who are sick of hearing hair-brained
theories and 'natural' non-cures. And I don't see where she suggested one
'MUST' do anything but just expressing alternatives to consider.

Rspctfly,
Bud
EddyJean - 01 Jul 2008 09:44 GMT
Re: Digs  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sun, Jun 29, 2008, 1:37pm (PDT+3)
From: bud@romance.org (Bud)
SamL wrote:
<snip>
Hi Bud,
You got the last part right.   (gag)
So, your reply, in continuation of this thread, is helpful to those who
have a sick relative ... in what way, exactly?
Ahh ... I see. You mean *other people* must exercise silence. Not *you*.
No, she is supporting us sickies who are sick of hearing hair-brained
theories and 'natural' non-cures. And I don't see where she suggested
one 'MUST' do anything but just expressing alternatives to consider.
Rspctfly,
Bud  
=========================================

Bud:
Evelyn didn't suggest but wrote there are two ways to reply to posts
here (as if people can't think for themselves without her help). For
some reason, you and Evelyn's followers, apparrently prefer none of us
ever get well,  If you think government will help, think again. If we
want cures, its up to We the People to get it done. Ask the Parkison's
Network, they've had their funding cut once again. It takes money and
research to find cures.. I've provided names and addresses where to
check for information on the late Dr. Hunt, have you contacted the
American Medical Association in Chicago? They have a responsibility to
respond. No need to wonder why healthcare never rises out of the "dark"
ages when close-minded people rely only on what they think and nothing
on facts.

EddyJean
Bud - 01 Jul 2008 23:28 GMT
> ...I've provided names and addresses where to
> check for information on the late Dr. Hunt, have you contacted the
> American Medical Association in Chicago? They have a responsibility to
> respond.

No they don't.

> No need to wonder why healthcare never rises out of the "dark"
> ages when close-minded people rely only on what they think and nothing
> on facts.
>
> EddyJean

Heh, kinda sums up my feelings as to your concepts of Hunt's work on the
herpes virus.

Bud
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 29 Jun 2008 23:14 GMT
Evelyn didn't say any one had to do either of the things she mentioned.
So why don't you lay off!
Gwen

********************************************************************************
I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there
isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is.

<snip>

Hi Bud,

You got the last part right.   (gag)

Not to be taken seriously at all.

*****************************************
Evelyn, a "proverbial word to the wise" ...

" There are two ways to reply to the posts here......One is by typing an
> actual reply, and the other is with a very loud silence.
>
> Sometimes the latter is the kinder reply.    Especially when someone
> who is obviously all wet posts some pet theory which is of no help to
> those who have a sick relative to deal with."

So, your reply, in continuation of this thread, is helpful to those who have
a sick relative ... in what way, exactly?

Ahh ... I see. You mean *other people* must exercise silence. Not *you*.
SamL - 30 Jun 2008 03:57 GMT
> Evelyn didn't say any one had to do either of the things she mentioned.
> So why don't you lay off!
> Gwen
>
> ********************************************************************************

Ahh, but Evelyn has given me permission to say whatever I like (see another
thread). She didn't imply that she was unable to stand up for herself, so I
really think you should wind your neck in and mind your own business.

But while you're here Gwen, let me ask you why you feel you are so superior
to everyone else, that you insist on putting your hugely valuable comments
at the *top* when adding your "me too"s to other people's posts? Don't tell
me you don't know that it's considered bad netiquette? Have you ever
wondered what makes you feel you are *above* everyone else, and why most
everyone else adds their contribution at the end, so that new participants
can read the thread in sequence? You insist on putting it at the top, as
though your hugely valuable comment will be the only thing anyone will want
to read.

A. Top posters
Q. What is the most annoying thin on usenet?
EddyJean - 01 Jul 2008 08:38 GMT
Re: Prescription Drugs  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Jun 28, 2008, 4:34pm (PDT+3)
From: bud@romance.org (Bud)
..but where's the research on
Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome after Dr. Hunt's death in 1937 until the present
time?
..If you know who
is researching RHS, would you kindly let the readers of this newsgroup
know?
Or one might simply Google "Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome" for more than one
really probably cares to know. :-)
www.ramsayhunt.org/
www.mayoclinic.com/health/ramsay-hunt-syndrome/DS00878
www.medicinenet.com/ramsay_hunt_syndrome/article.htm
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001647.htm
www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic420.htm
rarediseases.about.com/od/rarediseasesr/a/081304.htm
etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum.
Bud
==========================================

Try it, Bud.  Be sure to let mw know who is researching Ramsay Hunt
Syndrome and where. If one says "yes" research on Ramsay-Hunt, submit an
application and see what you get. What you'll likely get is lies. Good
luck finding it.. Ooooooh, I just can't wait for you to tell me whose
researching Ramsay-Hunt. Please hurry.

EddyJean
Bud - 01 Jul 2008 23:36 GMT
> Try it, Bud.  Be sure to let mw know who is researching Ramsay Hunt
> Syndrome and where. If one says "yes" research on Ramsay-Hunt, submit an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> EddyJean

Check them out yourself, EJ. I found out all I need to know about Dr. Hunt's
work and came to the same conclusions that others have. You are obscessed
with the concept that his work related to Alzheimer's while nothing in his
results suggests such a correlation. Sorry but that's the way it is and you
can continue to belabor your misconceived theorum but I shan't respond
furtherm after today. Go live in your own little misplaced world. Goodby.

Bud.
EddyJean - 04 Jul 2008 04:01 GMT
Re: Prescription Drugs  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Jul 1, 2008, 6:36pm (PDT+3)
From: bud@romance.org (Bud)
EddyJean wrote:
Try it, Bud. Be sure to let mw know who is researching Ramsay Hunt
Syndrome and where. If one says "yes" research on Ramsay-Hunt, submit an
application and see what you get. What you'll likely get is lies. Good
luck finding it.. Ooooooh, I just can't wait for you to tell me whose
researching Ramsay-Hunt. Please hurry.
EddyJean
Check them out yourself, EJ. I found out all I need to know about Dr.
Hunt's work and came to the same conclusions that others have. You are
obscessed with the concept that his work related to Alzheimer's while
nothing in his results suggests such a correlation. Sorry but that's the
way it is and you can continue to belabor your misconceived theorum but
I shan't respond furtherm after today. Go live in your own little
misplaced world. Goodby.
Bud.  
==========================================
You can't find everything on the internet. It takes legwork and contacts
too.. You seem to know everything but nothing on facts.  As usual,
another cop out.

EddyJean
EddyJean - 01 Jul 2008 07:30 GMT
Re: Prescription Drugs  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Jun 24, 2008, 2:05pm From:
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org
He was a US neurologist around the turn of the 20th century (i.e. he
graduated in 1893). He described some syndromes that now bear his name,
and have been broken into several types:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25632
The one now called Ramsay Hunt Syndrome II is caused by herpes zoster,
which is the chicken pox virus, getting into various facial and cranial
nerves and generally causing a lot of misery.
The guy certainly described some neurological complications of virus
infection, but he retired in 1935, which was the year they finally
isolated the tobacco mosaic virus - in other words, virology was in its
infancy.The contention that this guy had the problem of Alzheimer's
licked, soup to nuts, cause and cure... and the universe has been
conspiring since to suppress his work is ...well...insulting to all the
very fine researchers working hard over the last century.
And no Eddy Jean, I don't want to debate the subject with you.
M.
==========================================
Since M. doesn't want to debate,, and me at the time not wanting to stir
up the pot, I've now changed my mind because of other comments on this
newsgroup.  
The late Dr. Hunt treated patients diagnosed with Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome
for nearly 30 years before his death in 1937. Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome is
very similar to Alzheimers.  Both cause memory loss or dementias. I
don't understand the tobacco mosaic virus since plants don't get
viruses.  Dr. Hunt discovered the virus that causes RHS years before
1935.  He was familiar with what this virus could do to the brain;
otherwise, he would not have been appointed as a consultant to several
NYC hospitals AND mental institutions. If there is no coverup, where are
his books, why no followup of his "masterful" work, and why don't
doctors recognize the Hunt name and Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome?  Why is the
government mum on this disease and medical institutions unwilling to
study RHS nationwide?  Perhaps M. would let me know who are these great
researchers she mentions, and who are the researchers who studied
viruses AFTER Dr. Hunt?  Dr. Hunt came from a family of doctors who was
obsessed with the facial-cranial muscles and nerves.  Surely, this great
doctor must be turning in his grave..

EddyJean
 
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