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brianna_1938 - 12 Feb 2008 05:01 GMT
The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects.  He
was dizzy, wanted to throw up and just didn't feel well.
I have said he is very tired but not able to sleep, which doesn't make sense,
does it?
One night he was so anxious that he called 911 again.  The police department
always comes out but then they can understand what is happening to him.  He
is very ill and is not responsible for what he does.  We finally disconnected
the phone at night. My sister is so tired and just falls asleep and can't
seem to hear him sometimes.  He wanders all over the house and turns on all
the lights.
brianna_1938 - 22 Feb 2008 21:57 GMT
>The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects.  He
>was dizzy, wanted to throw up and just didn't feel well.
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>seem to hear him sometimes.  He wanders all over the house and turns on all
>the lights.

I guess no one has this problem? How does Aracept help the patient with
Alzheimer's?
Caymanian14@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2008 22:08 GMT
> >The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects.  He
> >was dizzy, wanted to throw up and just didn't feel well.
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> Message posted via MedKB.comhttp://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/alzheimer/200802/1

Aricept helps to slow the disease. It can help slow the disease but
only if it is diagnosed in the early stages. It also has some side
effects such as what you are seeing. It generally takes the person
several weeks to get adjusted to the pill, but when they do it can
help. One thing you have to keep in mind is if you don't see
improvement, then contact the Dr and let them know. I would ask for
something to help him sleep such as Ambien CR. It is a low dose
sleeping pill that works over the course of the night, rather than all
at one time.
I am not a doctor but I have been working with Alzheimers patients for
the past 7 years and generally know what works. I personally logged on
to ask if anyone had any idea on how to better deal with someone who
is combative and aggressive.
Evelyn Ruut - 22 Feb 2008 23:04 GMT
I am not a doctor but I have been working with Alzheimers patients for
the past 7 years and generally know what works. I personally logged on
to ask if anyone had any idea on how to better deal with someone who
is combative and aggressive.

Hi,

What sort of combativeness are you seeing?  Usually that sort of thing is
the result of delusions having to do with the way they see reality.    They
can be compelling and even terrifying to a person suffering from them.

When that happened to my mother in law the doctor gave her Risperdol to
control the delusions.   It absolutely worked.   She was much calmer on the
Risperdol.

But I have to tell you that as time went on, her illness got worse (as it
inevitably does) and she needed LESS Risperdol as time went on.   By the
time she was ill enough to go into the nursing home, she was off it
altogether.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn

brianna_1938 - 24 Feb 2008 02:11 GMT
>> >The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects.  He
>> >was dizzy, wanted to throw up and just didn't feel well.
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>to ask if anyone had any idea on how to better deal with someone who
>is combative and aggressive.

He use to be combative and very agressive but he has calmed down a lot.  He
seems very tired.
My sister doesn't give him too many sleep aids because he wakes up at night
and urinates, if he takes sleeping aids he will wet the bed. He also has
problems with his prostate so he has to get up so many times at night.
He cannot cover himself so he wakes my sister up all during the night.
I am sure she is going to get help soon.  She has had breast cancer about 5
years ago and she went to get a blood test to make sure she is okay.  They
found her tumor rate was higher than normal. So now she has that worry too.
She is going back for another blood test in a month and if it is necessary,
she will have chemo again.
Thank you for answering. I really appreciate your comments and support.  I
usually pass these on to her and it helps her to understand a lot about her
husband.

Bri
Evelyn Ruut - 25 Feb 2008 11:28 GMT
Brianna, we managed the sleeping at night by giving my mother in law her
Aricept after dinner at night, accompanied by one Tylenol PM.     We also
found it necessary to discourage her from going in to her bedroom during the
daytime to sleep.   If she dozed off for a few minutes while watching TV
that was fine, but no long naps during the day, because just like a child,
she wouldn't sleep at night if she slept too much in the day.
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Evelyn

>>> >The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects.
>>> >He
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> Bri
august - 25 Feb 2008 04:44 GMT
On Feb 22, 1:57 pm, "brianna_1938 via MedKB.com" <u35594@uwe> wrote:
> >The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects. He
> >was dizzy, wanted to throw up and just didn't feel well.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Message posted via
> MedKB.comhttp://www.medkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/alzheimer/200802/1

Aricept helps to slow the disease. It can help slow the disease but
only if it is diagnosed in the early stages. It also has some side
effects such as what you are seeing. It generally takes the person
several weeks to get adjusted to the pill, but when they do it can
help. One thing you have to keep in mind is if you don't see
improvement, then contact the Dr and let them know. I would ask for
something to help him sleep such as Ambien CR. It is a low dose
sleeping pill that works over the course of the night, rather than all
at one time.
I am not a doctor but I have been working with Alzheimers patients for
the past 7 years and generally know what works. I personally logged on
to ask if anyone had any idea on how to better deal with someone who
is combative and aggressive.

I'd be very careful about giving a dementia patient the drug Ambien unless
there was someone staying with the person with dementia at all times to
watch out for whatever might happen. You have read about the zombie like
effects Ambien causes in healthy people - well this goes double for people
with dementia. They can wander around at night like a zombie, not knowing
what they are doing and tending to fall repeatedly. After a few trial nights
using ambien as a sleep aid we gave up on ambien and switched to trazadone
which for us proved to be a much safer medication - plus we did not have to
worry about having to again nurse our LO through a broken hip from her
falling down.
Our LO was not causing any real behavior problems but just had her days and
nights totally mixed up.

If this person is already having delusions then it is more likely that a
drug like Risperdol might be of more help in solving both the behavior and
sleeping issues.

The bottom line here is that he needs full time care, either in assisted
living or from a full time caregiver. It sounds like he is past being able
to live alone and expecting any medication to be taken as directed.
Dementia is just not that simple to manage with just a new sleep medication
or with Aricept.  AW
Beth Cole - 22 Feb 2008 22:22 GMT
>> The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects.  He
>> was dizzy, wanted to throw up and just didn't feel well.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I guess no one has this problem? How does Aracept help the patient with
> Alzheimer's?

How my mother-in-law's doctor described it is the difference between
free-falling out of the sky and skydiving with a parachute.  Either way,
you're going to hit the ground, but the parachute manages how fast you
get there and how hard you hit once you're there.  Aricept is something
of a parachute in the dive into dementia.  It's not going to make anyone
better, just keep them from getting as bad as quickly.

On the nausea, have your sister try giving her husband some gingerbread
or gingersnap cookies with it.  Ginger is a known remedy for nausea, and
even just the small amount of sugar in a couple cookies can help cushion
the stomach against the pills.  (I know I can't take any pills without a
little something to cushion them.)

Can your sister get any kind of respite care or other help?  One person
cannot provide the 24-hour-a-day care required for another adult who
suffers from dementia.  It just isn't humanly possible.

Beth

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Evelyn Ruut - 22 Feb 2008 22:59 GMT
>>The doctor prescribed Aracept for him but it had so many side effects.  He
>>was dizzy, wanted to throw up and just didn't feel well.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I guess no one has this problem? How does Aracept help the patient with
> Alzheimer's?

It is a known side effect.   Usually they start the patient with a low dose
and when it is tolerated well, they go up to the stronger ones.   As I
understand it, the Aricept provides a missing brain chemical which
facilitates memory.   It worked very well for my mother in law.   When the
doc decided to try her on another drug instead that worked similarly, the
change was VERY bad and very dramatic.   She took a very clear turn for the
worse, cognitively.

After only a couple of days we called and begged him to renew the Aricept
and the reverse was true right away.   I suppose there are some people whose
illness may not respond to such drugs, or they don't want to tolerate the
digestive issues to build tolerance, but if you can stay the course and work
with it, it definitely DOES have a good effect on cognition.

Nowadays there are even more drugs that work with brain chemistry and it is
a good thing they are exploring this avenue of treatment.    One thing I can
tell you is that when we gave my mother in law her Aricept we did it AFTER
her dinner.   Having a full stomach to take that pill on, helped with the
digestive side effects..... which did tend to get less over time too.

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Evelyn

 
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