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dealing with a Father who has Alzheimers
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Marilyn - 20 Jan 2008 02:39 GMT In the begining of December my Father (who is 77 yrs old) told my husband that there were people in the house at differnt times and different ages. They don't talk to him and aren't rowdy. Well we took him to his family doctor who had him admitted to the hospital for some tests. Psychiaric doctor put him on some medicine with my permission to make the people he sees go away. My father intially refused the medicine because he doesn't feel that what he sees aren't real. He also has a problem with balance and walking with looking like he may be slighty tipsy. His family doctory and visiting nurse have told him that he isn't suspose to do steps and that he should get someone in to do laundry since the washer/dryer is in the basement. He has said that he hasn't fallen yet where he hasn't been able to get up and been ok or been able to call for help. He has problems with memory and doesn't remember when things are given to him or what he does with things. He won't do a power of attorney because he feels that the person that has it will take advantage of it and no explaining or reasoning will change his mind. He doesn't even have a will and has taken me 3 weeks to get him to write one down so that I can type it up. I am hoping that Monday he will allow us to go to notary and h will sign so that it will be legal. A social worker came and wanted to put in an application for him to see what program and services that would be available for him and he said no (but we are doing it anyway) He refused to have meals brought it, and doesn't want to go to assisted living place because he feels that he can live on his own still. I know that is where he belongs, but I don't know how to or if it is possible to convince him that assisted living facility is the best for him. Does anyonw have any suggestions? (I apologize in advance for any mispelled words or forgotten words)
Bud - 20 Jan 2008 03:14 GMT > ...Does anyonw have any suggestions? You can apply to become his legal guardian and so have control of those things he can not manage and it will get worse. It's a slow and maybe a difficult course of action but if he refuses to recognize his needs (and that's a common denominator of Alozheimer's) that may be your only route. Check with legal aid for help if you can. This is a familiar story to most of us here and we wish you the best in your efforts. Just remember that you are not dealing with the father you once knew but to a man whose personality has been changed by this disease. Good Luck.
Bud
Marilyn - 20 Jan 2008 21:09 GMT > > ...Does anyonw have any suggestions? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bud Thank you for your comments and advise. I will look into the legal guardianship, my husband and I have talked about it previously and the social worker had suggested it also. I'm glad that there is somewhere that I can go to talk to others about it.
Bud - 20 Jan 2008 21:35 GMT > Thank you for your comments and advise. I will look into the legal > guardianship, my husband and I have talked about it previously and the > social worker had suggested it also. I'm glad that there is somewhere > that I can go to talk to others about it. Free advise is usually worth every penny you spend. Ha. But this is a good group with plenty of experience among us all. Hope you can find more help as/if/when you need it.
Bud
bobfolan - 21 Jan 2008 03:49 GMT I your father frightened of the people he sees? If not then what is the problem? Giving the elderly medicines can be extremely dangerous, even if recommended by a doctor. Based on what you have written, I side with your father. As people get older, they do things that the outside world thinks are strange. I say, so what! The next step after an assisted living is a nursing facilities.
Before you consider a guardianship or conservator ship, please go to www.halt.org and get the brochure that they have for you to download. You can also find interesting and shocking information on youtube about abusive guardianships and nursing homes.
> In the begining of December my Father (who is 77 yrs old) told my > husband that there were people in the house at differnt times and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > is the best for him. Does anyonw have any suggestions? (I apologize > in advance for any mispelled words or forgotten words) Dennis P. Harris - 21 Jan 2008 05:02 GMT > Before you consider a guardianship or conservator ship, please go to > www.halt.org and get the brochure that they have for you to download. > You can also find interesting and shocking information on youtube > about abusive guardianships and nursing homes. oh, go be a crank somewhere else. she isn't being abusive, and i can tell you from my experience with my mother that many demented folks don't recognize their problems when they do need help. people like you don't help at all.
bobfolan - 21 Jan 2008 05:28 GMT On Jan 21, 12:02 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:02 -0800 (PST) in > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > folks don't recognize their problems when they do need help. > people like you don't help at all. I never said she was being abusive, but her posting clearly indicates to me that she is thinking of an assisted living arrangement for her dad, and many times that leads to guardianship whether she makes that decision or the assisted living place does it on their own. People need to know what dangers they may be putting their loved ones in when they get involved with assisted living, nursing homes, social workers and the like. Maybe you can educate yourself before you start making nasty remarks. You wouldn't do that if you knew the dangers that our elderly population faces. I know first hand and have tracked over a hundred cases.
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jan 2008 12:36 GMT On Jan 21, 12:02 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:02 -0800 (PST) in > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > folks don't recognize their problems when they do need help. > people like you don't help at all. I never said she was being abusive, but her posting clearly indicates to me that she is thinking of an assisted living arrangement for her dad, and many times that leads to guardianship whether she makes that decision or the assisted living place does it on their own. People need to know what dangers they may be putting their loved ones in when they get involved with assisted living, nursing homes, social workers and the like. Maybe you can educate yourself before you start making nasty remarks. You wouldn't do that if you knew the dangers that our elderly population faces. I know first hand and have tracked over a hundred cases.
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about, but we all know for a fact that Dennis does.
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sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 21 Jan 2008 15:25 GMT both my parents were in nursing homes. daddy visited mother at least 3 times a day. after she died and he had to go to one, i visited him because we had moved him where we were. believe me, neither of them were abused. he had slapped me and had kicked full coke bottles all over the garage leaving a nice mess there. he was a big man and i could not handle him. gwen
On Jan 21, 12:02 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:02 -0800 (PST) in > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > folks don't recognize their problems when they do need help. > people like you don't help at all. I never said she was being abusive, but her posting clearly indicates to me that she is thinking of an assisted living arrangement for her dad, and many times that leads to guardianship whether she makes that decision or the assisted living place does it on their own. People need to know what dangers they may be putting their loved ones in when they get involved with assisted living, nursing homes, social workers and the like. Maybe you can educate yourself before you start making nasty remarks. You wouldn't do that if you knew the dangers that our elderly population faces. I know first hand and have tracked over a hundred cases.
Dennis P. Harris - 23 Jan 2008 08:04 GMT > People > need to know what dangers they may be putting their loved ones in when > they get involved with assisted living, nursing homes, social workers > and the like. Maybe you can educate yourself before you start making > nasty remarks. You wouldn't do that if you knew the dangers that our > elderly population faces. there were no "dangers" in dealing with the social workers and assisted living folks that assisted us in helping our mother get the care she needed.
you are obviously suffering from some sort of paranoid delusions about assisted living, and should seek professional help for your problem.
off your meds, are you?
Evelyn Ruut - 23 Jan 2008 11:50 GMT >> People >> need to know what dangers they may be putting their loved ones in when [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > off your meds, are you? Bob is obviously thinking from a place of great fear about the loss of control and autonomy that sometimes comes at the end of life, or with illness. It is a valid fear, but he is blaming the wrong thing.
The place or the people that care for us if we can't care for ourselves anymore, isn't to blame, it is the ILLNESS itself that is to blame. It is not always possible, wise or safe to leave a person with a brain illness at home....... and certainly not on their own, as we all know. Even with terrific care and supervision it can be a problem.
I have seen this before and there is just no way to reason with that kind of paranoia.
People like Bob see themselves, their agendas and autonomy as being always right, no matter what happens, and that any thing that overrides or overrules that, as being wrong.
Illness can turns all that kind of rationale upside down. But I doubt Bob will listen.
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EddyJean - 27 Jan 2008 06:22 GMT Re: dealing with a Father who has Alzheimers Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 8:02pm (PST-1) From: NO_SPAM_TO_dpharris@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:02 -0800 (PST) in alt.support.alzheimers, bobfolan <BobFolan@gmail.com> wrote: Before you consider a guardianship or conservator ship, please go to www.halt.org and get the brochure that they have for you to download. You can also find interesting and shocking information on youtube about abusive guardianships and nursing homes. oh, go be a crank somewhere else. she isn't being abusive, and i can tell you from my experience with my mother that many demented folks don't recognize their problems when they do need help. people like you don't help at all. ======================================== Oh, just your help counts, Dennis? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thank you, Bob Folan, for alerting us to the dangers of guardianship and conservatorship. EddyJean
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jan 2008 12:35 GMT I your father frightened of the people he sees? If not then what is the problem? Giving the elderly medicines can be extremely dangerous, even if recommended by a doctor. Based on what you have written, I side with your father. As people get older, they do things that the outside world thinks are strange. I say, so what! The next step after an assisted living is a nursing facilities.
Before you consider a guardianship or conservator ship, please go to www.halt.org and get the brochure that they have for you to download. You can also find interesting and shocking information on youtube about abusive guardianships and nursing homes.
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You are SOOOOO wrong!!!!!!
We human beings need care when we are young and 'soft in the head' and often when we are old and 'soft in the head' too.
A little eccentricity is one thing, but when someone is in need of bathing, food preparation for them, someone to take care of their bills, someone to do the more difficult things, guardianship is a good thing.
You have not given Marilyn good advice.
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On Jan 19, 9:39 pm, Marilyn <craftsbymari...@msn.com> wrote:
> In the begining of December my Father (who is 77 yrs old) told my > husband that there were people in the house at differnt times and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > is the best for him. Does anyonw have any suggestions? (I apologize > in advance for any mispelled words or forgotten words) EddyJean - 27 Jan 2008 07:40 GMT You are SOOOOO wrong!!!!!! We human beings need care when we are young and 'soft in the head' and often when we are old and 'soft in the head' too. A little eccentricity is one thing, but when someone is in need of bathing, food preparation for them, someone to take care of their bills, someone to do the more difficult things, guardianship is a good thing. You have not given Marilyn good advice.
 Signature Best Regards, Evelyn In response to Bob Folan's post. ========================================= It seems the "Groupie" always side with each other favoring AL and nursing homes. Anyone who opposes it is trashed. I will repeat the post that's been removed once again. The nursing homes sleep in the same bed with the state. If it weren't true, why remove my posts??? EddyJean
Alan Meyer - 23 Jan 2008 01:11 GMT > I your father frightened of the people he sees? If not then > what is the problem? Hallucinations can take many forms, some frightening and some not. But they are never healthy. Seeing things that aren't there is a sure sign of serious problems and a significant danger in many and unpredictable ways.
> Giving the elderly medicines can be extremely dangerous, even > if recommended by a doctor. I agree. Psychoactive drugs can be dangerous to anyone, young or old. I also agree that not all doctors fully understand the drugs they prescribe or do all of the tests before and after to be sure that the right drug was prescribed at the right dose and that it's having more positive than negative effects.
But sometimes not giving a drug is much more dangerous than giving one. This is a judgment call that has to be made by doctors who understand the disease and caregivers who know the patient well.
Caregivers like Marilyn and her Dad's doctor need to be aware of the dangers both of giving drugs and of not giving them, and make the best decision they can. I suspect that they did that in this case.
> Based on what you have written, I side with your father. As > people get older, they do things that the outside world thinks > are strange. I say, so what! The next step after an assisted > living is a nursing facilities. Marilyn is siding with her father too. She's trying to do what's best for him.
The problem with doing nothing is that, if Marilyn's Dad has Alzheimer's, then it is 100% guaranteed certain that he will get worse and worse and worse. An accident -WILL- happen. It may involve walking out of the house and not remembering the way home, getting into a car and driving off, leaving something on the stove and forgetting it's there, swallowing the wrong pills or too many or too few, losing one's life savings to a scam artist and becoming destitute, and on and on. These things happen to unprotected Alzheimer's patients day after day.
> Before you consider a guardianship or conservator ship, please > go to www.halt.org and get the brochure that they have for you > to download. Couldn't find it, are you sure you've got the URL right?
> You can also find interesting and shocking information on > youtube about abusive guardianships and nursing homes. It is indeed important to be sure that an assisted living or a nursing facility is a good one. Many are not and even among those that are, they are still institutions offering what is, for the most part, institutional care.
Among various members of my family, now all deceased, I've dealt with five assisted living facilities. All of them were pretty good. Still, if I had a choice between living at home and living at any of the five, I'd prefer to live at home. But, unfortunately, we don't always have a choice. There comes a time in many of our lives when we need 24 hour care and can't live successfully without it.
Bob,
I know you're trying to say and do the right thing. But in this case I think you've made a mistake.
Marilyn,
What you're facing is terribly difficult. We've all been there and we know how hard this is.
The only thing I can add to the excellent advice that others are giving is that, some bad things will happen to your Dad. You won't be able to prevent all of them. But by plugging away to make small bits of steady progress on his health, his finances, his living arrangements, and so on, you will be making a big positive difference in his life. You won't win every battle against this terrible illness, but you're doing the right thing.
Best of luck to you.
Alan
Marilyn - 24 Jan 2008 00:37 GMT > > I your father frightened of the people he sees? If not then > > what is the problem? [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > Alan That is what I am trying to do make small bits of progress. There are already some battles that I haven't won, but I just go on to the next item and get that taken care of so that it can be checked off the list. I am trying to the right thing for him and I appreciate all the excellent advice that I am getting from everyone here.
Thanks! Marilyn
Alan Meyer - 27 Jan 2008 17:28 GMT > ... >> Before you consider a guardianship or conservator ship, please >> go to www.halt.org and get the brochure that they have for you >> to download. > > Couldn't find it, are you sure you've got the URL right? The link is working now. The website must have been down temporarily when I first looked.
The article Bob refers to is a good one. It lays out the powers and responsibilities of a guardian, and the serious problems that can occur if a person who is appointed guardian does not have the ward's real interest at heart. This can happen if a stranger is appointed guardian by the court and, as we sometimes see, if incompetent and selfish relatives are appointed.
The warnings in this article are really not about children who love their parents and are truly and responsibly attempting to care for them.
Alan
august - 21 Jan 2008 08:30 GMT > In the begining of December my Father (who is 77 yrs old) told my > husband that there were people in the house at differnt times and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > is the best for him. Does anyonw have any suggestions? (I apologize > in advance for any mispelled words or forgotten words) If you are wanting to be your father's care advocate then you need to get powers of attorney, both medical and full. Your father obviously needs a high level of care whether he realizes it or not. I'm sure he probably thinks everything is just fine but obviously assisted living would be a much better situation. I'd go for a medical power of attorney first. If push came to shove you and you had to go to court, given what you have already said, you could already easily obtain full power of attorney. If you do not get a power of attorney from him willingly and get some help for him started then your only other choice is to wait for the crippling event, car wreck, accident or whatever that hurts him enough that he becomes so incapacitated that he no longer gets a vote in his caregiving future.
You are in a tough part of the road of being a dementia caregiver becasue the early stages are often the suspicious & paranoid stages. Contact the social worker, this Dr and whomever else might be in a position to help and ask them for advice on how to get started. I'm sure they already know he desparately needs help and will appreciate your active participation. good luck. AW
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jan 2008 12:37 GMT August has given you superb advice, Marilyn.
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>> In the begining of December my Father (who is 77 yrs old) told my >> husband that there were people in the house at differnt times and [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > he desparately needs help and will appreciate your active participation. > good luck. AW Marilyn - 22 Jan 2008 22:37 GMT > > In the begining of December my Father (who is 77 yrs old) told my > > husband that there were people in the house at differnt times and [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thank you for your comments. Fortunely he hasn't been allowed to drive since begining of December. I'm getting medical power attorney since the social worker and doctor have suggested it. I'm trying to find a good assisted living place that he would like and go to, so that he would have the help to make sure that he takes his medicine, gets bathed and eats his meals. I know right now he doesn't always bath (you can just tell). You are right in your comment - He thinks everything is fine and that he doesn't need any help. He at first refused a Visiting Nurse, but I went ahead and told them yes and has no problem with her coming. My husband and I go with him to his doctors appointments so that we are aware of what is said and to make that the doctor is aware of any changes or what has transpired since the last appointment.
Dennis P. Harris - 23 Jan 2008 20:16 GMT > I'm trying to find a > good assisted living place that he would like and go to, it's probably past time the time when you could either get his consent or when it's worth wasting the time to attempt to do so, since it would only confuse him further. most of us have found out the hard way that the best way is simply to make the decision for him because he is not capable of doing so, and then take the action necessary to get him where he needs to be.
it's hard to take charge, but you have to do it, since he really can no longer make rational decisions. just do it, then move him while someone has him on some day long excursion somewhere. in a few weeks, he will get used to the new place and won't even remember the old place.
asking him to make a choice will result in no choice. people with dementias are very, very afraid of any change.
find the right place, and move him.
Alan Meyer - 23 Jan 2008 02:08 GMT I'd like to some more notes about assisted living.
Some AL facilities have different levels of care ranging from complete independence in what is very much like an apartment hotel to complete, locked door, Alzheimer's care.
Facilities like that have some nice advantages for early stage Alzheimer's patients. They can live in a more independent section of the facility for as long as they are able, perhaps making friends with people who function at a relatively high level. Then they can move to a section with a higher level of care if and when they need it, without moving to completely new and unfamiliar surroundings.
This can enable an early stage patient to enjoy a higher level of functioning than he could in a strictly AD environment, and stay there longer. When he is introduced to the facility he will find the people and the environment less disturbing than if he moved to a facility where everyone has AD. He is likely to find the place much more acceptable.
These issues should be discussed with the intake person at the facility.
I would also ask to meet the director of each facility you investigate. A good director doesn't guarantee an ideal facility, but a bad director means there will be a lot of things wrong.
There are more things I'd like to say about what to do once your Dad has moved in, but they can wait. You can only do so much at once and have to take steps one at a time.
Best of luck.
Alan
deerwoodflower@hotmail.com - 23 Jan 2008 02:50 GMT > I'd like to some more notes about assisted living. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Alan I would like to add that i was always against moving my mom to a nursing home.But never again would i keep anybody at home.My mom choked to death.And it was the most difficullt thing to see.Her food was pureed,but it still got lodged in her throat and she choked to death right in front of me.I will never get that picture out of my mind.Your not always doing them a favor by keeping them home.They did say nothing could have saved her but i will always wonder.I have learned so much just about life during this journey.We are never prepared to take care of all issues.Never ,never feel bad about placing your loved one.You might be doing them a favor,Barb
Dennis P. Harris - 23 Jan 2008 20:23 GMT On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:50:45 -0800 (PST) in alt.support.alzheimers, "deerwoodflower@hotmail.com"
> My mom > choked to death.And it was the most difficullt thing to see.Her food > was pureed,but it still got lodged in her throat and she choked to > death right in front of me.I will never get that picture out of my > mind.Your not always doing them a favor by keeping them home.They did > say nothing could have saved her but i will always wonder. It's time to stop blaming yourself! If you're still doing that, you really should be getting some counseling about it.
The problem wasn't you, it was the fact that her brain could no longer control her swallowing reflex. Aspiration of food is the most common cause of death in AD patients, whether it's asphyxiation, as in your mother's case, or whether it's pneumonia caused by aspiration of liquids into the lungs.
Guilt is not allowed here... you did what you could, and what you thought was right for her at the time. You did your best, and you should be very proud of that.
Please, for your own peace, talk to your pastor or a hospice grief counselor about this. If you have no money, hospice counseling services are free. You don't need to carry this burden around forever.
deerwoodflower@hotmail.com - 23 Jan 2008 23:28 GMT On Jan 23, 2:23 pm, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:50:45 -0800 (PST) in > alt.support.alzheimers, "deerwoodflo...@hotmail.com" [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > counseling services are free. You don't need to carry this > burden around forever. Dennis, It all takes time.I know every word you and the others have said are true.It's just applying them to yourself that seems impossible.Thank you,Barb
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 25 Jan 2008 15:16 GMT Marilyn, I'm wondering if he actually has Lewy Body dementia, since visual hallucinations are one of its hallmarks, along with the balance and gait problems you mention he has. I would urge you to talk to the neuologist to determine if they have considered this, since Lewy Body has some different features than AD, although they both end up in the same place. Knowing for sure what the cause of his dementia is can help you be prepared for odd behaviours and give you a better feel for what to expect.
My advice is to take advantage of his confusion/memory issues where you can - which sounds terrible, but he'll never say yes. If you wait for him to agree he's impaired and needs help, you will be frozen - he can't see his own problems, even if they are readily apparent to you and everyone else. Not only can he not see his own deficits, his ability to reason is going down hill, so even if he did realize he was in trouble, he wouldn't be able to think up a solution, much less figure out how to implement it. He's also terrified of change, since his grip on what is going on is so tenuous, and he can't learn new things very easily.
Arrange whatever you need to arrange without his permission, and take things from there. The priority has to be keeping him healthy and safe. I'd start with meal delivery. Try to be there the first few times they are delivered - you may be able to convince him that he agreed to give it a try. I'm thinking he might not say no when a hot, tasty, premade meal is right in front of his face i.e. might as well eat it as let it go to waste. And in a couple of days, he might think it was his idea in the first place. My mother in law protested the meal thing as well, but it didn't take long for her to start to actually like it. Preparing nutritious and appealing food for one can be a chore even for someone who is NOT mentally impaired, and what's not to like about a nice tray just showing up, poof!! No effort required, and no kitchen clean up either (they take the tray back next day when they bring the next one).
In the early stages, we had a housekeeper come in half days (mornings), five days a week. This person did her basic housework, laundry, and made sure there were some groceries on hand (plus keeping an eye on everything, which was probably her most important job). The housekeeper made sure my mother in law ate breakfast, and made her a lunch (i.e. some sandwiches on a plate in the fridge). Then Meals on Wheels brought her a good dinner, so we knew she was getting three reasonable meals a day.
We sold my mother in law on the housekeeper by telling her it was a favour for us. We went on about how we were worried about her on her knees trying to clean, and how it would make us feel so much better knowing she didn't have to worry about all that stuff etc. etc. And golly, we knew she was perfectly fine, but if she'd give it a little try it would be a real gift to us, and weren't we silly, blah, blah, blah, as we lied through our teeth, soothed, cajolled, patted and fluffed!!!
When she got to the point we had to move her into a facility (when being alone even for part of the day was just not an option anymore), we again took advantage of her confusion and her inability to initiate rational action. We just arranged it - we did tell her, but she constantly forgot she'd been told, so eventually we stashed her at her sister's place for a night for a nice visit, and we all ran around like nuts to move the necessary items and set up her room at the assisted living facility. We then retrieved her from her sister's, and took her to the new place. At that point, she couldn't really have organized an escape - i.e. thinking through where she was, how to get home, packing, etc. would have been beyond her.
If you really questioned her about going home, she'd start talking about her girlhood home, so it wasn't the apartment she'd been in - her brain had deleted most of her adult life in terms of specific ideas about place.
Mary G.
Marilyn - 26 Jan 2008 03:01 GMT On Jan 25, 10:16 am, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote:
> Marilyn, I'm wondering if he actually has Lewy Body dementia, since > visual hallucinations are one of its hallmarks, along with the balance [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Mary G. My husband and I have already taken advantage of his confusion, by having a visiting nurse and physical therapist come out to the house when he got out of the hospital. He told the social worker at the hospital no - but I called and said OH YES he does! When I told him he had even forgotten that he said No. Although they aren't coming anymore since he won't do what they say as far as not going up and down steps. We have even pleaded him so that we wouldn't worry so much about him, but no avail.
We are doing the same with the meals also. I agree with you I think once he starts getting them he will enjoy and think it was a good idea that he had and will enjoy and look forward to them coming.
We have been looking to find a good facility that he will be able to go when the time comes. We may just do what you had done with your mother in law, in fact my husband and I have kind of joked about doing that. I truly believe that he would probably be ok with the adjustment.
Thank you for sharing and I enjoyed reading and glad to hear that someone else feels that is not being cruel in taking advantage of their confusion, because you are right they don't remember what they do or say. Dad had aprescription, (I knew I should have held on to it, but didn't) and the next day when we went to take to take him to get it filled - poof it was gone. So now we hold on to any prescriptions and make his appointments - even though he is annoyed for the moment.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 26 Jan 2008 19:40 GMT Marily wrote:
> Thank you for sharing and I enjoyed reading and glad to hear that > someone else feels that is not being cruel in taking advantage of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > prescriptions and make his appointments - even though he is annoyed > for the moment. Mary responds: I'll bet you money if you quiz him closely, he has lost his understanding of sequences. Its a common development. It's not just numbers - its anything that goes in a particular order, like days of the week, months of the year, hours of the day. When it first dawned on me that this might be going on, she was calling us constantly because she couldn't find the shows she wanted to watch on TV. She didn't know that Tuesday was after Monday or before Wednesday, or that the 17th was two days before the 19th, or that Channel 2 was one click ahead of Channel 3 on the TV dial. She couldn't understand a calendar, tell time, or handle money because of it. No wonder she missed appointments - since she also had no "feel" for time, and couldn't figure out that if she had to be somewhere at 2, she had to start getting ready at 1, call the cab at 1:15 and be out the door at 1:30.
You aren't being cruel at all. Being cruel would be to allow him to put himself in danger, neglect his health and hygene, eat spoiling food, take too many pills etc. If a 5 year old protested they were perfectly able to look after themselves without help or interference, you wouldn't feel one seconds hesitation in intervening for their health and safety. Sadly, this is no different. He thinks he's fine, he's not, so you do what you have to do.
Prior to the move to her first assisted living place, we did try to engage her in going through her wardrobe etc. Even though we weren't asking her permission about the move, we were trying to be respectful of her autonomy, and let her make some decisions for herself about what things she loved best, or that were most comfortable or useful. It was a lost cause. She wasn't able to make rational choices, she couldn't stay focused etc. etc. The saddest part is even a few hours later, she didn't remember anything about the discussion, so we had to accept we had to make all the decisions for her. Its a rough one when its someone you have always loved and respected, and who has been an authority figure in your life.
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Dennis P. Harris - 27 Jan 2008 04:23 GMT > Dad had aprescription, (I knew I should have held on to > it, but didn't) and the next day when we went to take to take him to > get it filled - poof it was gone. So now we hold on to any > prescriptions and make his appointments - even though he is annoyed > for the moment. better yet, ask docs if they can fax the prescription to the pharmacy (where i live docs can phone them in, and my mom's docs did that for me, so i only had to go pick them up, since her insurance was billed automatically).
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