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brianna_1938 - 06 Jan 2008 03:24 GMT
I haven't written for a while but do  people with Alzheimer's demand a lot of
attention?  Are they aware of that?  My sister and I work on crossword
puzzles and as soon as we do that , he wants to go to bed.  And he wants her
in the bedroom with him, just sitting there.  He tells her he is sleepy but
he doesn't fall asleep but talks all the time.  He seems to be losing his
appetite, is that common?
Please some answers.

bri
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 06 Jan 2008 17:07 GMT
They demand a lot of attention because they are losing the ability to
see the impacts of their behavior on other people, and the ability to
control themselves. Those are learned behaviors that help us function
in society. In other words, he's reverting to the stage small kids are
at when they not only don't know when to stop, but couldn't if they
wanted to. They can't read the signs that the people around them are
getting fed up, irritated and annoyed, or just plain bored (while they
blether on, have a tantrum, refuse to cooperate etc.).

Its not selfish self centered behavior only because he isn't doing it
on purpose, so it can't be framed in terms of deliberate or conscious
actions.

M.
brianna_1938 - 07 Jan 2008 18:26 GMT
>They demand a lot of attention because they are losing the ability to
>see the impacts of their behavior on other people, and the ability to
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>Thank you for your reply.  I have to print this and give it to my sister.
She is very patient and very good to her husband but she is human and gets
tired, very tired.  It is a very sad situation.
Bri.
Alan Meyer - 06 Jan 2008 17:50 GMT
>...  He seems to be losing his appetite, is that common?

My mother, whose dementia was very advanced at the end,
gave up eating altogether.  No one could coax her into eating
even her favorite foods or deserts.  She died after about
three weeks.

We have no way of knowing if it was an unconscious decision
(she was probably no longer capable of carrying out conscious
decisions for any length of time) a result of depression, a
result of the disease, or the result of some other health
problem that she was unable to communicate to us.

Whatever the explanation, surely Alzheimer's was the underlying
cause.

   Alan
brianna_1938 - 07 Jan 2008 18:27 GMT
>>...  He seems to be losing his appetite, is that common?
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>    Alan
I appreciate your comments.  As time goes on we need to learn more and more
of this disease.
Bri
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 07 Jan 2008 02:29 GMT
Forgot to comment on the appetite aspect. You probably know that a
frequent early development with AD  is loss of the sense of smell (its
called anosmia). If you read about anyone who has lost their sense of
smell permanently from other causes, they tend to really have trouble
with appetite, because so much of the allure of food is the smell and
taste (and most of what we think of as flavor is actually the smell).
In other words, they don't feel like eating because everything smells
and tastes like so much cardboard. It's blah, like being sentenced to
eat unsalted oatmeal for every meal.

Later in the illness, I know my mother in law didn't feel hunger or
thirst like a normal person. If you didn't prompt her to eat and
drink, she wouldn't ask, and didn't seem bothered by it at all. I was
never sure if she had lost the sensations, or just had no clue what
they meant, or what to do about them.

M
jackieon12@gmail.com - 07 Jan 2008 16:18 GMT
My father has the opposite problem. I actually hope that he will stop
eating and end the downward trajectory of this awful disease, but
instead he sometimes has a voracious appetite and has put on 20 pounds
in the past 6 months.

As for the behaviors, nothing is deliberate. When my father is
beligerent, demanding, or downright mean, I keep reminding myself that
if he had the ability he would never in a million years act like
that.

Out of curiousity, does anyone in this group secretly worry about
getting the illness themselves?
I've been having this problem now for the past several months and
every time I can't remember something or solve a complicated problem I
wonder.

Jackie
perkens - 07 Jan 2008 16:56 GMT
Dear Jackie, I just now joined this group.
Yes I often worry about getting alzheimers. both my grandmothers and now my
mother (75) has it. I am 52.

I have a question for the group: I take flax seed oil every day for it's
valuable  omega 3. Now I've been reading that the flax omega 3 does not
offer the same protection against alzheimers (if there is   such a thing,
right>) that fish omega 3 does.
Any thoughts?

Regards, Pam

> Out of curiousity, does anyone in this group secretly worry about
> getting the illness themselves?
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> Jackie
Alan Meyer - 08 Jan 2008 04:00 GMT
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> Yes I often worry about getting alzheimers. both my grandmothers and
> now my mother (75) has it. I am 52.

I certainly worry about it too.  I've had prostate cancer - which is
a scary disease, but even the idea of dying in pain from cancer
doesn't scare me as much as AD does.

> I have a question for the group: I take flax seed oil every day for
> it's valuable  omega 3. Now I've been reading that the flax omega 3
> does not offer the same protection against alzheimers (if there is
> such a thing, right>) that fish omega 3 does.
> Any thoughts?

I have no special information about this, though I too seem to recall
reading that it is the fish oils that provide the most protection.  They
are available in supplement form and those are the ones I take.

I've opened a new thread about what people might do to keep from
getting AD and am very interested in any information anyone has.

   Alan
Evelyn Ruut - 07 Jan 2008 17:23 GMT
> My father has the opposite problem. I actually hope that he will stop
> eating and end the downward trajectory of this awful disease, but
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> Jackie

Hi Jackie,

My husband and I often worry about the possibility, and tease about it when
we forget something little.   It isn't really a joking matter, but
fortunately neither one of us has any sign of the illness at this time.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn

A R Pickett - 07 Jan 2008 17:59 GMT
Jackie inquired - > Out of curiousity, does anyone in this group secretly
worry about
> getting the illness themselves?
> I've been having this problem now for the past several months and
> every time I can't remember something or solve a complicated problem I
> wonder

One of the AARP publications had an article about 3 years ago, which I found
very reassuring.  The article described the "ahah!" moment.  For example, my
spouse and I were watching the Kennedy center tributes a couple of weeks
ago, and as they were recapping the career of Martin Scorcese, I could not
think of one specific actor's name, a guy who had been in a lot of Scorcese
movies.  My spouse couldn't think of it either.

A day or two later at dinner, I suddenly had it and exclaimed "Harvy
Keitel!"

This is the "ahah!" moment the article described, and this is symptomatic of
a type of memory lapse which is NOT characteristic of Alzheimers.  To
emphasize my point, I now remember watching the program and trying to think
of the guy's name, coming up with it out of context a few days later, and
remembering the whole sequence now as I type away.  A person with AD would
not be able to tell you the whole story, most likely wouldn't even remember
wondering about the guy's name in the first place.

If this is the kind of memory lapse you are concerned about, relax a little,
there's probably no problem, at least at this point.

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brianna_1938 - 07 Jan 2008 18:29 GMT
>My father has the opposite problem. I actually hope that he will stop
>eating and end the downward trajectory of this awful disease, but
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>Jackie

I think we all wonder about having this disease.  it is very sad to see
someone lose their memory.  My brother-in-law takes his dentures out at the
table or anywhere we go eat.  He would not do this, under any circumstances
if he were well.  I feel so sorry for him but don't know how to help him.

Bri
Jules - 08 Jan 2008 14:00 GMT
> My father has the opposite problem. I actually hope that he will stop
> eating and end the downward trajectory of this awful disease, but
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> Jackie

my grandfather still eats like a horse, always has...
deerwoodflower@hotmail.com - 12 Jan 2008 22:09 GMT
On Jan 7, 10:18 am, jackieo...@gmail.com wrote:
> My father has the opposite problem. I actually hope that he will stop
> eating and end the downward trajectory of this awful disease, but
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> Jackie

Jackie,
 Yes I worry but not secretly.LOLThats why i am interested in things
to do to ward it off.Barb
 
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