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Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting

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EddyJean - 04 Nov 2007 06:31 GMT
Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?

EddyJean
Nina Pretty Ballerina - 06 Nov 2007 08:21 GMT
> Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
> viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
>
> EddyJean

in a group that is supporting those that have, or largely care for someone
that has Alz, there is little point working out what caused it....

why dont you go hang out in a medical consipiracy group instead?
Gwenhyffar Milgi - 06 Nov 2007 08:39 GMT
>> Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
>> viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> why dont you go hang out in a medical consipiracy group instead?

Hmmm, I'm very interested in what caused it, as is my mother. Sure, it
won't help my father now, because medical developments go slow, but that
doesn't mean we're not interested.

I find the link between HSV-1 and Alzheimer's very interesting and I and
my mother have read about a ton of books now on Alzheimer's, its causes,
its consequences, you name it. We keep up to date on the latest news in
Alzheimer's detection and treatment developments.

Neither of us is interested in conspiracy theories, so we stick to the
mainstream accredited sources (such as the link to the BBC article I
posted the other day), but we _are_ interested.
EddyJean - 08 Nov 2007 08:49 GMT
Nina Pretty Ballerina wrote:
"EddyJean" <eddyjean@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5202-472D673B-294@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net...
Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
EddyJean
in a group that is supporting those that have, or largely care for
someone that has Alz, there is little point working out what caused
it....
why dont you go hang out in a medical consipiracy group instead?
Hm==================================

If you have no desire to find the cause of Alzheimers, why are you here?
Mother, family, relatives and me have dementia , isn't this who this
site is for?

EddyJean
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 08 Nov 2007 15:08 GMT
> If you have no desire to find the cause of Alzheimers, why are you here?
> Mother, family, relatives and me have dementia , isn't this who this
> site is for?

Mary responds:
Its not that we don't care about the research. We all do. However, the
science is still at the point where they don't know what combination
of genetic and environmental factors bring it on, let alone how to
stop it in its tracks. Its obviously not a simple thing, nor is the
fix going to be simple. It is pointless for lay people to argue
causation when the best experts really aren't sure.

I absolutely believe that the day will come when Alzheimer's will be
well understood, and there may be very effective treatments that turn
it from a death sentence to a manageable chronic condition like
diabetes. However, I also know that that day will not come fast enough
to save people who are in the throes of it now. Its 10-20-50 years
out. Its not imminent.

I also know that there are zillions of people who have had the
Alzheimer's label slapped on them (or worse "senile dementia" ) whose
dementia is actually from some other cause entirely.

So, as a caregiver, and volunteer, like Evelyn, my primary concerns
have to be with adequate assessment and diagnosis, so whatever the
root cause, the person gets the best available treatment for their
particular underlying cause, AND the practical every day issues around
daily living, caregiving, coping, handling finances, legal stuff
etc.

Thats the stuff we can help each other with.

Mary G.
Evelyn Ruut - 08 Nov 2007 15:52 GMT
>> If you have no desire to find the cause of Alzheimers, why are you here?
>> Mother, family, relatives and me have dementia , isn't this who this
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Mary G.

Bravo!  Well said, and very true.....

:-)
Signature

Best Regards,

Evelyn

EddyJean - 10 Nov 2007 08:40 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2007, 7:08am From:
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org
EddyJean wrote:
If you have no desire to find the cause of Alzheimers, why are you here?
Mother, family, relatives and me have dementia , isn't this who this
site is for?
Mary responds:
Its not that we don't care about the research. We all do. However, the
science is still at the point where they don't know what combination of
genetic and environmental factors bring it on, let alone how to stop it
in its tracks. Its obviously not a simple thing, nor is the fix going to
be simple. It is pointless for lay people to argue causation when the
best experts really aren't sure.
I absolutely believe that the day will come when Alzheimer's will be
well understood, and there may be very effective treatments that turn it
from a death sentence to a manageable chronic condition like diabetes.
However, I also know that that day will not come fast enough to save
people who are in the throes of it now. Its 10-20-50 years out. Its not
imminent.
I also know that there are zillions of people who have had the
Alzheimer's label slapped on them (or worse "senile dementia" ) whose
dementia is actually from some other cause entirely.
So, as a caregiver, and volunteer, like Evelyn, my primary concerns have
to be with adequate assessment and diagnosis, so whatever the root
cause, the person gets the best available treatment for their particular
underlying cause, AND the practical every day issues around daily
living, caregiving, coping, handling finances, legal stuff etc.
Thats the stuff we can help each other with.
Mary G.
====================================

Mary, we're no closer to a cure for AD then when it was first
discovered.  We're no closer to a cure for Lou Gehrig's Disease
discovered in the early 1900s.  No cures on the horizon for MS, AlS,
Chronic Fatigue, on and on the list grows, just live with it doctors
say. Yes, science is still at a point where they don't know what
combination of genetic and environmental factors bring it on but this
will never change without serious research. I visited the nation's top
research center and there's no research on AD or other cranial diseases.
It's anyone's guess who's getting the funds from government grants and
private donations directed towards a specific study.  If no one knows
the cause of AD, and no serious studies, where are those "best experts"
your referring to? If you know, please provide me with names and contact
information.

Most know a cold is caused from a virus.  Many complications stem from a
cold: The pharmaceutical companies would lose millions/billions if a
cure were found.  Same scenario for AD.  AD is a complex study but can
be done with a dedicated researcher at the helm.  When it comes to war
and outerspace, money's no object; however, when it comes to the needs
of the people, "Sorry folks, there's no money.

EddyJean
EddyJean - 10 Nov 2007 09:58 GMT
in a group that is supporting those that have, or largely care for
someone that has Alz, there is little point working out what caused
it....
why dont you go hang out in a medical consipiracy group instead?

Nina, Pretty Ballerina
=====================================

Don't want to, I like it here.

EddyJean
Evelyn Ruut - 06 Nov 2007 13:29 GMT
>> Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
>> viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> why dont you go hang out in a medical consipiracy group instead?

Exactly.

I have read all the theories, and heard all the sensible possibilities as
well as the total and complete crazies, in the ten or so years I have been
posting here and looking into it.   You don't want to know how many nutters
there are out there!

No matter what the CAUSE was,.... in caring for my mother in law;

I wanted to know HOW to get her to take a bath without it being a federal
case.

I needed to know HOW to answer her with her repetitive questions, that would
soothe her troubled mind.

I needed to know HOW to get her to eat healthily, and sensibly.

I needed to know HOW to get her to keep her fluid intake up to prevent
UTI's.

I needed to know HOW to keep her busy and find activities she still COULD
do.

I needed to know WHAT were the legal ramifications involved in caring for
her.

I needed to know HOW to help her to get a decent nights sleep without maybe
wandering out of the house looking for delusional things that weren't there.

I needed to know HOW to get her to stop crying and threatening to kill
herself because she was "so confused" (her words).

I needed to know HOW to get her to recognize her new clothing that she kept
insisting was mine.

I needed to know HOW to get her to consent to going to daycare, or to stay
in peace with a sitter when I needed to go to the store or leave her at home
for a moment.

I needed to know HOW to care for her without completely exhausting myself,
emotionally, physically, and mentally.

THAT is what this newsgroup does best.   Supports caregivers, and that's
what I got here, and others can still get here.  All the rest was pie in the
sky baloney...... AND IT STILL IS.

Signature

Best Regards,

Evelyn

deerwoodflower@hotmail.com - 06 Nov 2007 13:53 GMT
> >> Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
> >> viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
>
> Evelyn

Evelyn,
 Amen to you.
EddyJean - 10 Nov 2007 09:36 GMT
WHAT this newsgroup is for..... (was Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still
waiting)  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Nov 6, 2007, 8:29am (PST+3)
From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com (Evelyn Ruut)
"Nina Pretty Ballerina" <abba@arrival.com> wrote in message
news:47302415$0$8738$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"EddyJean" <eddyjean@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5202-472D673B-294@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net...
Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
EddyJean
in a group that is supporting those that have, or largely care for
someone that has Alz, there is little point working out what caused
it....
why dont you go hang out in a medical consipiracy group instead?
Exactly.
I have read all the theories, and heard all the sensible possibilities
as well as the total and complete crazies, in the ten or so years I have
been posting here and looking into it.   You don't want to know how
many nutters there are out there!
No matter what the CAUSE was,.... in caring for my mother in law;
I wanted to know HOW to get her to take a bath without it being a
federal case.
I needed to know HOW to answer her with her repetitive questions, that
would soothe her troubled mind.
I needed to know HOW to get her to eat healthily, and sensibly.
I needed to know HOW to get her to keep her fluid intake up to prevent
UTI's.
I needed to know HOW to keep her busy and find activities she still
COULD do.
I needed to know WHAT were the legal ramifications involved in caring
for her.
I needed to know HOW to help her to get a decent nights sleep without
maybe wandering out of the house looking for delusional things that
weren't there.
I needed to know HOW to get her to stop crying and threatening to kill
herself because she was "so confused" (her words).
I needed to know HOW to get her to recognize her new clothing that she
kept insisting was mine.
I needed to know HOW to get her to consent to going to daycare, or to
stay in peace with a sitter when I needed to go to the store or leave
her at home for a moment.
I needed to know HOW to care for her without completely exhausting
myself, emotionally, physically, and mentally.
THAT is what this newsgroup does best.   Supports caregivers, and
that's what I got here, and others can still get here. All the rest was
pie in the sky baloney...... AND IT STILL IS.
Signature

Best Regards,
Evelyn

=====================================

Well, Evelyn, if there was more effort made to push for a cure, and stop
researchers from drinking coffee all day, there wouldn't be much  need
for AD caregivers, wouldn't that be a happy day?

EddyJean

P.S. Oh, everything is pie in the sky baloney but still haven't given a
scientific answer why a viral infection is not the cause of AD?

Tumbleweed - 09 Nov 2007 01:28 GMT
> Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
> viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
>
> EddyJean

Anyone who expects 'scientific evidence' to prove a negative doesn't know
what 'scientific evidence' is.

Signature

Tumbleweed

email replies not necessary but to contact use;
tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

Dennis P. Harris - 09 Nov 2007 07:27 GMT
> Anyone who expects 'scientific evidence' to prove a negative doesn't know
> what 'scientific evidence' is.

if you don't feed this troll she/he will go away.

hint:  loonies like this are why killfiles were invented.
EddyJean - 10 Nov 2007 07:04 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2007, 10:27pm (PST-1)
From: NO_SPAM_TO_dpharris@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:28:57 -0000 in alt.support.alzheimers,
"Tumbleweed" <thisaccountneverread@yahoo.com> wrote:
Anyone who expects 'scientific evidence' to prove a negative doesn't
know what 'scientific evidence' is.
if you don't feed this troll she/he will go away.
hint: loonies like this are why killfiles were invented.

==================================

Since you still haven't answered with scientific evidence that
Alzheimers is not caused from a viral infection, but used a "filter" as
an excuse to keep from answering, I doubt many put much credence in
anything you said.   Dennis is a troll.  Dennis is a troll.  

EddyJean
EddyJean - 09 Nov 2007 07:29 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Fri, Nov 9, 2007, 1:28am (PST+8)
From: thisaccountneverread@yahoo.com (Tumbleweed)
"EddyJean" <eddyjean@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5202-472D673B-294@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net...
Where's the scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a
viral infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out?
EddyJean
Anyone who expects 'scientific evidence' to prove a negative doesn't
know what 'scientific evidence' is.
Signature

Tumbleweed
email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at
hotmail dot com
================================

Heard of Galileo, Tumbleweed? He was ridiculed and jailed for believing
the earth was round as everyone else said it was flat.

EddyJean

June - 10 Nov 2007 13:47 GMT
> Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Anyone who expects 'scientific evidence' to prove a negative doesn't
> know what 'scientific evidence' is.

Sorry Dennis and TW, you fed the troll first so I'll give my two cents.
Just common sense here.  I don't think a viral infection would be so picky
as to only chose old people.  Children would die. Granted more money, time
and energy could be given for research into the causes and cures for AD but
deciding that all AD is caused by a viral infection and saying that fact
needs to be disproved is irresponsible.  AD is rotten, cancer is rotten,
Parkinson's is rotten.  I could go on, but trying lay blame in the wrong
place and not listening to reason can be part of a mental illness.  Now
EddyJean, please get the help you need. ........June
EddyJean - 12 Nov 2007 06:03 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 8:47am (PST+3)
From: NoSpam@yahoo.com (June)
"EddyJean" <eddyjean@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16461-47340C67-115@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net...
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Fri, Nov 9, 2007, 1:28am (PST+8)
From: thisaccountneverread@yahoo.com (Tumbleweed)
"EddyJean" <eddyjean@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5202-472D673B-294@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net... Where's the
scientific evidence Alzheimer's Disease is NOT caused from a viral
infection or still using the filters as an excuse to cop out? EddyJean
Anyone who expects 'scientific evidence' to prove a negative doesn't
know what 'scientific evidence' is.
Signature

Tumbleweed
email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at
hotmail dot com
================================
Heard of Galileo, Tumbleweed? He was ridiculed and jailed for believing
the earth was round as everyone else said it was flat.
EddyJean
Sorry Dennis and TW, you fed the troll first so I'll give my two cents.
Just common sense here. I don't think a viral infection would be so
picky as to only chose old people. Children would die. Granted more
money, time and energy could be given for research into the causes and
cures for AD but deciding that all AD is caused by a viral infection and
saying that fact needs to be disproved is irresponsible. AD is rotten,
cancer is rotten, Parkinson's is rotten. I could go on, but trying lay
blame in the wrong place and not listening to reason can be part of a
mental illness. Now EddyJean, please get the help you need. ........June

======================================

Your barking up the wrong tree, June.  How many Ph.D's do you have to
evaluate mental illness, who do you recommend I see?

EddyJean

June - 12 Nov 2007 13:23 GMT
> Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> EddyJean

Your family physician can you give a referral.  BTW You don't have to be a
squirrel to recognize a nut.  I'm afraid I too will have to block you.  This
newsgroup is for support for caregivers.  I find nothing productive in your
posts......June
EddyJean - 13 Nov 2007 05:24 GMT
Your barking up the wrong tree, June. How many Ph.D's do you have to
evaluate mental illness, who do you recommend I see?
EddyJean
Your family physician can you give a referral. BTW You don't have to be
a squirrel to recognize a nut. I'm afraid I too will have to block you.
This newsgroup is for support for caregivers. I find nothing productive
in your posts......June

=====================================

This newsgroup is for caregivers, dementia and AD.  You, and the others
previously mentioned, act as if you own this group, is there something
your hiding from this group?  You have a right to block anyone you want.
Bye Bye!

EddyJean
Baird Stafford - 13 Nov 2007 10:57 GMT
> This newsgroup is for caregivers, dementia and AD.  You, and the others
> previously mentioned, act as if you own this group, is there something
> your hiding from this group?  You have a right to block anyone you want.
> Bye Bye!

Plonk!

Baird
Bud - 13 Nov 2007 17:14 GMT
>> This newsgroup is for caregivers, dementia and AD.  You, and the others
>> previously mentioned, act as if you own this group, is there something
>> your hiding from this group?  You have a right to block anyone you want.
>> Bye Bye!

> Plonk!
>
> Baird

Yeah, she (?) sounds more like wanting to start an argument or just
trolling, so I will also...

Plonk!

Bud
EddyJean - 15 Nov 2007 07:26 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 12:14pm (PST+3)
From: bud@romance.org (Bud)
    eddyjean@webtv.net (EddyJean) wrote:
This newsgroup is for caregivers, dementia and AD. You, and the others
previously mentioned, act as if you own this group, is there something
your hiding from this group? You have a right to block anyone you want.
Bye Bye!
Plonk!
Baird
Yeah, she (?) sounds more like wanting to start an argument or just
trolling, so I will also...
Plonk!
Bud  
=====================================
Bud--

Your have a short memory. It was Dennis who started the name calling.
EddyJean - 28 Nov 2007 06:25 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 11:26pm From:
eddyjean@webtv.net (EddyJean)
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 12:14pm (PST+3)
From: bud@romance.org (Bud)
    eddyjean@webtv.net (EddyJean) wrote: This newsgroup is for
caregivers, dementia and AD. You, and the others previously mentioned,
act as if you own this group, is there something your hiding from this
group? You have a right to block anyone you want. Bye Bye!
Plonk!
Baird
Yeah, she (?) sounds more like wanting to start an argument or just
trolling, so I will also...
Plonk!
Bud
=====================================
Bud--
Your have a short memory. It was Dennis who started the name calling.

======================================
Did I say otherwise, Budsy?  There was name calling besides Dennis in
Yr-2003.
EddyJean
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 10 Nov 2007 17:17 GMT
EddyJean, I just looked at your history and you were arguing the exact
same stuff in 2003 in this same forum. No one wants to hash this same
thing out again. It doesn't really matter to the caregiver what the
cause of AD is, unless there is a cure or treatment that will help
their loved one NOW or in the very imminent future.

Can we not agree that the state of the science is still uncertain? It
might be a virus. It might be genetics. It might be immune system. It
might be a metabolic error. It might be diet. It might be lots of
things. None of us can say with any certainty, so there is no nothing
concrete to fight for or against in terms of an opinion that matters.
I might be convinced its from wearing white shoes after Labor Day, and
it would be hard to prove me wrong.

The cause doesn't make an iota's bit of difference in terms of looking
after the afflicted person, so can we move back to caregiving
concerns?

Thanks

M.
deerwoodflower@hotmail.com - 12 Nov 2007 04:19 GMT
On Nov 10, 11:17 am, Mary_Gor...@tvo.org wrote:
> EddyJean, I just looked at your history and you were arguing the exact
> same stuff in 2003 in this same forum. No one wants to hash this same
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> M.

Mary wrote,
. It doesn't really matter to the caregiver what the
cause of AD is, unless there is a cure or treatment that will help
their loved one NOW or in the very imminent future.

Mary ,i have to disagree here.I do care because i need to think of the
possibility of it happening to me.I am NOT agreeing with Eddy Jean but
i would love to find a way to stop this disease before my family is
taking care of me,Barb
EddyJean - 12 Nov 2007 07:34 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 9:17am From:
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org
EddyJean, I just looked at your history and you were arguing the exact
same stuff in 2003 in this same forum. No one wants to hash this same
thing out again. It doesn't really matter to the caregiver what the
cause of AD is, unless there is a cure or treatment that will help their
loved one NOW or in the very imminent future.
Can we not agree that the state of the science is still uncertain? It
might be a virus. It might be genetics. It might be immune system. It
might be a metabolic error. It might be diet. It might be lots of
things. None of us can say with any certainty, so there is no nothing
concrete to fight for or against in terms of an opinion that matters. I
might be convinced its from wearing white shoes after Labor Day, and it
would be hard to prove me wrong.
The cause doesn't make an iota's bit of difference in terms of looking
after the afflicted person, so can we move back to caregiving concerns?
Thanks
M.

======================================

Why, Mary, I never objected to reading posts on caregiving so why object
reading my views on a cure for AD?   If you want to return to caregiving
news, go ahead. I'm not trying to stop you.. Since I wrote the same
thing in 2003 as I do now, it must be true. AD is caused by a viral
infection.  Goodness sakes, Is this a conspiracy of sorts?.  Dennis, the
troll, Tumbleweed, another troll, Evelyn, the know it all, and you, want
to squash my right to freedom of speech, so what are you all afraid of,
--the truth?  Oh, by the way, since Dennis, the controlling troll, (as
if viewers don't have the intelligence to make up their own minds} first
alerted the viewers from his ivory tower to killfile the insane troll
and is interested only in scientific facts, I've asked Dennis three
times for scientific facts on why AD is not caused by a viral infection
but doesn't respond. I've asked you, Mary, for the names and contact
information of those "smart experts" you were referring to, but avoid
the question too.  Dennis called me names first without provocation,
opposes my views, but has no facts to back it up.  Now, that's what I
call a "Loonie." I don't know how many Ph.D's you have in psychiatry,
Mary,  but who do you suggest I go to?  Don't forget the names of those
"smart experts."

EddyJean
Sarah Kanary - 12 Nov 2007 19:47 GMT
> Why, Mary, I never objected to reading posts on caregiving so why object
> reading my views on a cure for AD?   If you want to return to caregiving
> news, go ahead. I'm not trying to stop you.. Since I wrote the same
> thing in 2003 as I do now, it must be true. AD is caused by a viral
> infection.  Goodness sakes, Is this a conspiracy of sorts?.

Have you ever cared for an Alzheimer's patient?

The ultimate cure for all disease will not be brought about by man, but by
God.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20020501/article_02.htm

Meantime, we have to strengthen ourselves to deal as best we can.  And one
of the ways is by sharing support with others who have the same caregiving
issues we do.  After all, this IS an Alzheimer's SUPPORT group.

Peace to you and yours.
EddyJean - 14 Nov 2007 06:58 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 2:47pm (PST+3)
From: skanary@yahoo.com (Sarah Kanary)
"EddyJean" <eddyjean@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:27486-473801EE-416@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
Why, Mary, I never objected to reading posts on caregiving so why object
reading my views on a cure for AD?   If you want to return to
caregiving news, go ahead. I'm not trying to stop you.. Since I wrote
the same thing in 2003 as I do now, it must be true. AD is caused by a
viral infection. Goodness sakes, Is this a conspiracy of sorts?.
Have you ever cared for an Alzheimer's patient?
The ultimate cure for all disease will not be brought about by man, but
by God.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20020501/article_02.htm
Meantime, we have to strengthen ourselves to deal as best we can. And
one of the ways is by sharing support with others who have the same
caregiving issues we do. After all, this IS an Alzheimer's SUPPORT
group.
Peace to you and yours.

====================================
Yes, God can cure all diseases but do you know when that time will come?
In the meantime, shall the sick continue to needlessly suffer and die,
or should we use the brain God gave us to  find a solution?  I do not
object reading other viewpoints on caregiving, and never did.  Some of
it quite good I might say; however, why do you oppose any suggestion on
an AD cure?   If you don't know, a cure has already been discovered but
the work covered up, Does it give you pleasure to discuss only
caregiving as people suffer and die for eons to come when it could have
been prevented because of a cure?

EddyJean
EddyJean - 13 Nov 2007 06:34 GMT
Re: Dennis & Evelyn, I'm still waiting  

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 9:17am From:
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org
EddyJean, I just looked at your history and you were arguing the exact
same stuff in 2003 in this same forum. No one wants to hash this same
thing out again. It doesn't really matter to the caregiver what the
cause of AD is, unless there is a cure or treatment that will help their
loved one NOW or in the very imminent future.
Can we not agree that the state of the science is still uncertain? It
might be a virus. It might be genetics. It might be immune system. It
might be a metabolic error. It might be diet. It might be lots of
things. None of us can say with any certainty, so there is no nothing
concrete to fight for or against in terms of an opinion that matters. I
might be convinced its from wearing white shoes after Labor Day, and it
would be hard to prove me wrong.
The cause doesn't make an iota's bit of difference in terms of looking
after the afflicted person, so can we move back to caregiving concerns?
Thanks
M.

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Mary,
Why all the emphasis on "Caregiving?" Apparently, we should all be sick
and have no interest in finding cures? Perhaps your not aware of what
this terrible disease can do to a person? When there's no research,
except lies, how can there be anything concrete? Since there are no
"neutral" oversight committees at most medical schools, it's anyone's
guess who's pocketing funds from government grants and private donations
directed towards specific diseases.  The only so-called "research'  I'm
aware of is surveys posted on newsgroups or innformation stolen from the
patients' medical records.
Dennis, Tumbleweed and Evelyn have gone into hiding once again.  Dennis,
the scientific factual guy, just can't seem to produce evidence that AD
is not caused from a viral infection.  I also requested names and
contact information on the "smart experts" but can't get that either,
A cure for AD was discovered by a brilliant physician in the early
1900s, treated patients with it, but his "masterful" work was covered
up. Chew on that for a while, folks.

EddyJean  

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