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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / October 2007Mexican Nursing Homes
I just thought that I would let some of you know about nursing homes in Mexico. I moved my mom to one in Ensenada, Mexico. The home is very nice and the people there are very caring. She is in the final stages of Alzheimer's. For economic and quality of care reasons, I moved her there this summer. The cost of a nursing home in Mexico is roughly $1200 per month, compared to $4000 a month here. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! Her home is run by an American with Mexican employees. I can't say anything but great comments about them. I have found that Mexican people respect the elders much more than Americans do. It has not only changed my outlook on Mexico completely, but now my wife and I are seriously considering moving down there. I go see my mom once every three weeks. The process of getting a nursing home available in Mexico is relatively easy. Once there, you need to get a visitor's visa if staying for longer than six months. If the person holds an FM-2 or FM-3, you can obtain health insurance from the Mexican government for $225 per year. Medications are another thing. This really ticked me off big time at her doctor here in the states!!! She resided in a nursing home here for more than a year before moving there. Before she went into the home, she lived with me. Her medication was roughly $150 per month. Once she entered the nursing home, her new doctor changed all of her medications around and said it was necessary. Once she went to Mexico, her Mexican doctor pointed out to me that nothing was indicated in her medical records that she had any problems with the original medications, and hence, he put her back on the originals, which now come out to be a little over $100 per month. Typical American doctors to say the least! Here is the article that USA Today posted on this topic: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-15-mexnursinghome_N.htm After this article ran, the nursing homes in Mexico have been flooded with Americans looking for cheaper options. This is the home my mom is now in http://www.residencialourdes.com/english/ Feel free to ask me any questions. >I just thought that I would let some of you know about nursing homes > in Mexico. ... That's a very interesting report. I'm not surprised that there are good places in Mexico. In my few trips there I've found the people to be very decent, hard working, and friendly. Some language questions: Do you speak Spanish? Do all of the nursing home staff speak English? Is it a problem for your Mom? Thanks. Alan >>I just thought that I would let some of you know about nursing homes >> in Mexico. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Alan You are absolutely correct on that point. Most people you run into in Mexico are nice. I too had the same misconception about Mexicans that most Americans do. I was pleasantly surprised. One guy I talk to that lives in California drove down to Cabo San Lucas and broke down at one point. The Mexican farmers came out to his aid and helped him. Sure, there are rough ones there, but there are here too. I can speak Spanish somewhat. It has degraded over the years, but I am now back in school relearning it. Currently, I can talk to them in Spanish so long as they are slow, which I haven't had anyone down there to not work with me because they know I am trying. Some of the staff can speak English because of the American patients, while others cannot. They usually are the ones to take care of them. My mom does have other Americans in the home that she converses with. Thanks for the info. I've thought about retiring some day in Mexico, but I live on the East Coast and our children are both nearby. I wouldn't like to move so far away from them. Ah well. ... Alan This subject is of tremendous interest to me. I wish your mother good luck and even to improve. We should not give up on the elderly so easily. They can be hardier than we think. The reason for my interest is, I have a loved person in a nursing home in US. My objection is that they medicate some patients with anti-depressants, which is a sure route for premature death for many that are not on the anti-depressants. They have a strange mind/body effect that transfers harm to another person with whom they interact or just even think about. I know this sounds impossible but it is not, crohns illness is caused n this manner. They get destructive symptoms of crohns, and the doctor never even recognizes this, just proceeds as though it is a normal progression of their condition. I argue with the administrator of the home, begging her to discontinue ALL anti-depressants, but she is adamant, says never will they be discontinued. She cites the doctor's priority in prescribing them. It could be a wonderful home except for the anti-depressants. which has devastated the health of my friend and she did not go in for health reasons. On website DoctorBrains.org comments by Kureforcrohns explains my theory on the cause of crohns and the fact that anti-depressants are a license to kill. I am beside myself, with what to do. She lived with me several years, never had a problem, but she enjoys the company at the home and doesn't want to return to my house. Her mother has an empty house, will not take her in as she cannot cope with schizophrenia and does not realize the mortal danger she is in. Every day is a nightmare for me thinking of the criminal murder the anti-depressants are. Never, would I have taken my friend there, if I knew they use anti-depressants. Do they use anti-depressants in the Mexican nursing homes. I would be interested to know, as in America the dollar rules. I am not trying to scare you, just to be patient and on the guard for symptoms that are not part of the original illness. Crohns produces many symptoms, blockage of bowel, eczema, leg sores, digestive problems, and anything else one can think of. Please tell me how it is in Mexico. Of course, my friend cannot go there, but the subject is so important to me. I wish your mother to be as well as possible and not suffer the weird symptoms of crohns. Gail Michael The alternative to anti-depressants and all stimulants are tranquillizers like Valium and Ativan, which are controlled substances in US. The FDA is another source of ignorance on this problem. > This subject is of tremendous interest to me. I wish your mother good > luck and even to improve. We should not give up on the elderly so [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > like Valium and Ativan, which are controlled substances in US. The FDA > is another source of ignorance on this problem. Valim and Ativan are absolutely NOT alternatives to antidepressants. They work in completely different ways. I am sorry, but I think you are wrong in your assessments of these drugs, and in the effects you imagine them to have. I hate to say it, but you are somewhat ignorant about the effects or uses of medications and how they work. You do not know more than a doctor does, and you are making yourself ill with your imaginings.  SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn Evelyn, I do know they do not work in the same way. What I probably should have said, a safe alternative to anti-depressants. I wish I were wrong. No, I am not a doctor, but I hate to say, Doctors are not so well versed in crohns disease although treatments are fine, but drastic. I believe they cater to the pharms in the respect of anti-depressants which have become the most used med. Would you use a med that you thought can harm another person. Many say yes, if they need it. I say no, because I know and see the damage every day. I also experience it. A muslim studying to be a doctor said the religion forbids any mind altering drugs. And anti-deprssants are mind-altering, tranquillizers are not. This is not a pretty probem nor a pretty solution, but one of safety for all. I wonder ceaselessly how an illness caused in this way could be possible. There is no answer just the obvious effects to those that choose to look astutely. Gail > Valim and Ativan are absolutely NOT alternatives to antidepressants. > They work in completely different ways. I am sorry, but I think you are > wrong in your assessments of these drugs, and in the effects you imagine > them to have. I hate to say it, but you are somewhat ignorant about the > effects or uses of medications and how they work. You do not know more > than a doctor does, and you are making yourself ill with your imaginings. > I am sorry, but I think you are wrong > in your assessments of these drugs, and in the effects you imagine them to > have. I hate to say it, but you are somewhat ignorant about the effects or > uses of medications and how they work. You do not know more than a doctor > does, and you are making yourself ill with your imaginings. evelyn, it's obvious that the poster is suffering from a mental illness and is off their meds. it does no more good to argue with a mentally ill person than it does to argue with someone with a dementia. don't waste the bandwidth. >> I am sorry, but I think you are wrong >> in your assessments of these drugs, and in the effects you imagine them [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > with a mentally ill person than it does to argue with someone > with a dementia. don't waste the bandwidth. You're right Dennis. I concluded that too when I read the reply. They are quite sincere, but sincerely wrong. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn Thank you for your wonderful assessment of my mental state. I can only wish you were correct. The people I have known to die from the transference of anti-depressants from one person to another by mind/body would be here. Just to get something off my chest, I will write it here. I would say to hell with the world if not for the one person who is a victim in a nursing home of the ignorance of the administrator and her shitty psychiatrist. In talking with the administrator, she said, everybody has to die sometime (meaning my friend in particular who is not even fifty years old) and she will never ban the anti-depressants. (Good for you, pharms, you have convinced everyone of the necessity of anti-depressants.) Anyway, for the first time in my life, I can almost imagine killing someone. The adminstrator is the villian in my life, leaving me with never a moment of worry for the condition of my friend. I would like to answer her ridiculous statement that we all have to die sometime. Any stupid idiot knows that, but do they have to die by murder which the anti-depressants can cause. I would like to take a gun and face her and say, yes, everyone has to die sometime, your time is now. That is the answer she deserves. We all have to die, of course, but not by murder, if possible. If that were her mother or daughter, she would follow every avenue to see why her condition is deteriorating so rapidly with symptoms so obviously unrelated to her original condition. Had to write it somewhere, so as one person said, " I don't know whether to laugh or cry while I enjoy this fruitcake moment." meaning my theory. And another clever statement someone said, " ATT does not have a lock on their motto, "Reach out and touch someone" I can appreciate those comments if I were not so sad. Gail Best regards to you and soulmate Dennis also. > Thank you for your wonderful assessment of my mental state. I can only > wish you were correct. The people I have known to die from the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Gail > Best regards to you and soulmate Dennis also. You need help (not that you'd probably accept it) if not hospitalization. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn > > Thank you for your wonderful assessment of my mental state. I can only > > wish you were correct. The people I have known to die from the > > transference of anti-depressants from one person to another by mind/body > > would be here. As a psychiatrist once told me, the mentally ill have almost no insight into their real problem, because they are too busy trying to deal with the delusions and hallucinations. Obviously everyone is crazy but this guy. Let's just all killfile him, and he'll go somewhere else. Schizophrenia. He mentioned his friend with the AD has it (cited as a reason the person had leave a past accomodation situation). I'll bet money they are friends in part due due to sharing similar challenges. Have known a couple of people with this, and the behavior and delusions are all of a piece. I used to answer an electric and magnetic fields hotline for a utility company when this was a burning topic, and for whatever reason, I fielded a lot of calls from people with this disorder. One lovely lady used to call me regularly. Her particular thing was not anti-depressants - it was "eminations" from wiring (and not electric or magnetic fields either). She was convinced that the fire retardant foams they use in nuclear plants were creating health destroying eminations which travelled along the wires in the electrical system, entered her house, got into her fridge and ruined all her food, and via that, her health. She got some relief by unscrewing the fridge lightbulb and putting duct tape and tinfoil over outlets, but she went on and on about how sick she was and how we had to stop using fire fighting foams. When I pointed out that there had been no fires at nuclear plants, she said even if they use the foam in a training drill outside NEAR a generation plant, the eminations would happen. She sounded very rational and sensible at first, but the longer she talked, the greater the distance between her and reality. Nice person, probably functional enough to get by in daily life because she had relatives to look out for her, but for sure not on her meds, and majorly loony. M > Schizophrenia. He mentioned his friend with the AD has it (cited as a > reason the person had leave a past accomodation situation). I'll bet [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > M Yes......probably equally as loony as this particular person who believes that entire nursing home populations and environment are affected when one person takes antidepressants, or that two completely different classes of meds do the same thing. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn Re: Mexican Nursing Homes Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 8:43pm (PDT-1) From: NO_SPAM_TO_dpharris@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:44:25 -0400 in alt.support.alzheimers, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote: I am sorry, but I think you are wrong in your assessments of these drugs, and in the effects you imagine them to have. I hate to say it, but you are somewhat ignorant about the effects or uses of medications and how they work. You do not know more than a doctor does, and you are making yourself ill with your imaginings. evelyn, it's obvious that the poster is suffering from a mental illness and is off their meds. it does no more good to argue with a mentally ill person than it does to argue with someone with a dementia. don't waste the bandwidth. Evelyn & Dennis: Are you now experts in medicine and psychiatry????? EddyJean Eddy Jean inquired - Evelyn & Dennis: Are you now experts in medicine and psychiatry????? They both have learned quite a bit in the school of personal experience. And I am quite certain neither one of them would say anything misleading in this forum. SignatureA R Pickett aka Woodstock "Sometimes the facts threaten the truth" Amos Oz, prize winning Israeli author Read my book reviews at: http://www.booksnbytes.com/reviews/_idx_ws_all_byauth.html Now blogging! http://www.journalscape.com/woodstock/ Remove lower case "e" to respond Re: Mexican Nursing Homes Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 8:43pm (PDT-1) From: NO_SPAM_TO_dpharris@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris) On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:44:25 -0400 in alt.support.alzheimers, "Evelyn Ruut" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote: I am sorry, but I think you are wrong in your assessments of these drugs, and in the effects you imagine them to have. I hate to say it, but you are somewhat ignorant about the effects or uses of medications and how they work. You do not know more than a doctor does, and you are making yourself ill with your imaginings. evelyn, it's obvious that the poster is suffering from a mental illness and is off their meds. it does no more good to argue with a mentally ill person than it does to argue with someone with a dementia. don't waste the bandwidth. Evelyn & Dennis: Are you now experts in medicine and psychiatry????? EddyJean EddyJean, Compared to the person who wrote the original post, yes. We are definitely "experts" next to that individual. It is quite obvious the person is not only extremely misguided, but perhaps emotionally imbalanced as well. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn Evelyn: The poster expresses insights of the obvious deterioration caused from anti-depressants to his/her friend, why do you and Dennis make such an assumption that this person is misguided or mentally ill? Many experience bad effects from anti-depressants and sincerely wish doctors DID know more than the patient, but in many, many cases, the patients know more than the doctors. EddyJean > Evelyn: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > DID know more than the patient, but in many, many cases, the patients > know more than the doctors. The poster in question has repeatedly made unsubstantiated assertions that are directly contradicted by established scientific fact. And yet, the poster cannot understand why no one accepts their word for it in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. One of the symptoms of mental illness is continuing to behave in a certain way and expecting the results to be different. The poster in question has shown this behavior repeatedly. Beth SignatureDon't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain > > Evelyn: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you > nothing. It was here first. ~Mark Twain Beth, Then i must have some mental illness.LOL There is no reason to write because whatever you say is of no matter to me. No matter how many times something is denied, if it is true, it will remain true. and if it is true, looking away from it continually and denying it constantly, will not make it untrue If anyone would see my friend and proclaim her to be in good health, I can only wish that "good health" to be theirs. I do not know who anyone is here, but apparently anyone that differs is mentally ill. When it comes to crohns disease, I will say, I know more than the doctors on how treacherous it is. I do not know more on the treatments, that is the physicians job in the absence of the cause. Unfortunately this is the only illness in the world that an innocent party is affected without dong anything to contract crohns diseasse except their mind is connected to the stimulant taker. That is the injustice of it all. To be real clear, the anti-depressant does not harm the user, it harms by mind/body connection to a second or third party not necessarily on any meds. Strange, yes, unscientific, yes. But true. Science cannot explain everything. I have observed it for many years, experienced it also. Anyway, my original question was Do they use anti-depressants in the mexican nursing homes. I would be interested to know just for the fact that how widespread is it in other countries. In US it is the golden calf of the pharmaceuticals. False G-d. Sincerely Gail > EddyJean, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It is quite obvious the person is not only extremely misguided, but perhaps > emotionally imbalanced as well. Evelyn, If you remember, EddyJean is another one of those trolls. He/she was the one pushing antibiotics as a "cure" for AD, and insisting that the Center For Disease Control was deleting her/his posts. Obviously another "imbalanced" person, and another killfile candidate (was in my killfile until I reinstalled my newsreader, and back in there now). Oh for heaven's sake, Dennis, there you go twisting the facts again. I think we all know there's no known cure for AD. From personal experience, and observances of others, antibiotics helped us IN THE SHORT RUN, being effective 4 to 6 weeks BEFORE symptoms returned. I did say, however, that I believed AD was caused from a viral infection. You've got a problem, Dennis. If you don't agree with opposite viewpoints, your solution is to "killfile". Your right and everyone else is wrong. A perfect example of a "dictator". EddyJean > Oh for heaven's sake, Dennis, there you go twisting the facts again. I > think we all know there's no known cure for AD. From personal [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > EddyJean Why on earth would you care if someone has you killfiled? Would you force people to read what you post? Frankly I haven't seen you post much of any great value, whereas Dennis has posted much of value here. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn Thanks EddyJean, your posts did not go unappreciated. Incidentally, I am a she. Gail >> Oh for heaven's sake, Dennis, there you go twisting the facts again. I >> think we all know there's no known cure for AD. From personal [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Frankly I haven't seen you post much of any great value, whereas Dennis > has posted much of value here. Of course, Evelyn, I'm offended when someone tries to silence my constitutional rights to freedom of speech What is it you fear, the truth? Any opposing viewpoints to yours, Dennis gets on his high horse " Killfile, Killfile, and Killfile." Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, surely you've heard the expression before? You give good advice on how to live with Alzheimers but that's not what I want. I want a cure to Alzheimers. We've developed technology to travel to the moon and explore outerspace, but can't find a cure to AD???? A bunch of B.S.! I'm surprised Tumbleweed and Adelle haven't joined the party, and wonder if your being paid to monitor this site? Frankly, Evelyn, I don't give a "hoot" if you read or value my posts. I value my posts, whether anyone does or not and that's why I post here. Best regards, EddyJean > Of course, Evelyn, I'm offended when someone tries to silence my > constitutional rights to freedom of speech What is it you fear, the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and explore outerspace, but can't find a cure to AD???? A bunch of > B.S.! I've never understood why some people think that because we went to the moon, that means we can therefore fix all problems. People understood the problem, and the solution, all they needed was enough money to buy it. Thats not the case with Az, we dont understand the problem let alone the solution. > I'm surprised Tumbleweed and Adelle haven't joined the party, and wonder > if your being paid to monitor this site? Frankly, Evelyn, I don't give [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Best regards, > EddyJean errrr...its not supposed to work that way ...if ONLY you value your posts, just write them and dont send, use the electrons for something else. There ARE a finite number of electrons you know. As to "Evelyn being paid to monitor this site" ..well, its not actually a site, its literally thusands of seperate computers, and I'm not exactly sure who would pay or why, but just in case, Evelyn, I think its only fair you should send me 50% of your payment. Used notes, nothing larger than $50, no consecutive serial numbers. Handover on thanksgiving day in Las Vegas at The Venetian, 3rd gondola to the left, I'll be singing 'Ole Sole Mio' badly* and have one red and one blue sock. * "badly" is the only singing style I have :-) SignatureTumbleweed email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com > Evelyn, I think its only fair you > should send me 50% of your payment. Used notes, nothing larger than $50, no > consecutive serial numbers. Hey, what about MY cut? After all, I "monitor" this newsgroup too! Ya know, I just don't understand why someone thinks that I censor them just because I killfile all their posts because I don't want to read ridiculous drivel about their entirely unscientific belief, contrary to all facts, that 1) antibiotics work against viruses, and 2) viruses cause ALZ. The difference between me & Evelyn is that I reply once, telling the troll that they are either wrong or insane, and that I'm killfiling them, and Evelyn attempts to reason with them, something she should know better, having learned that lesson when attempting to reason with her late dear MIL. >> Evelyn, I think its only fair you >> should send me 50% of your payment. Used notes, nothing larger than $50, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hey, what about MY cut? After all, I "monitor" this newsgroup > too! Yes but since you didnt read the posts, you arent elegible for a rake-off. Rule 42. :-) SignatureTumbleweed email replies not necessary but to contact use; tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com >> Evelyn, I think its only fair you >> should send me 50% of your payment. Used notes, nothing larger than $50, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > something she should know better, having learned that lesson when > attempting to reason with her late dear MIL. I would rather err on the side of a little more patience. But I have no quarrel with your killfiling anyone whose posts you don't want to see. It is absolutely your right. I do that too, but seldom in this particular newsgroup. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn >> Of course, Evelyn, I'm offended when someone tries to silence my >> constitutional rights to freedom of speech What is it you fear, the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > * "badly" is the only singing style I have :-) Hi T... All I get for "monitoring this site" is a seat in the park. But you'll have to come to Woodstock NY to collect your half :-) SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn > Of course, Evelyn, I'm offended when someone tries to silence my > constitutional rights to freedom of speech What is it you fear, the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Best regards, > EddyJean Among the many things you don't seem to understand, is that usenet is free. Anyone can post here and say anything they want, and there ARE no moderators. Nobody is paid to monitor any of the usenet newsgroups. You can say anything you want and so can anyone else. But nobody HAS to read your stuff. If Dennis wants to killfile you, it is his right and his option. All it does is filter out your posts on HIS computer. Honestly, I don't blame him. I won't be bothering to read your nonsense anymore either. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn > I just thought that I would let some of you know about nursing homes > in Mexico. I moved my mom to one in Ensenada, Mexico. The home is very [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Feel free to ask me any questions. I read the USA Today article previously. Originally, a URL was posted to it in an immigration newsgroup. Naturally, the people there were bashing it. I don't agree. I've met a lot of really nice Latin American people. I work with several every day. They're great people. I don't doubt that the cost of a nursing home is less there. The unfortunate part is that as more and more people (understandably) flock there from other countries, the price will probably go up. No question, I'd check it out. The home where your Mother is looks very nice and I hope it works out well for her and you. I've only visited the Mexican border towns of Nogales and San Louis. I'm hoping to get a chance to check out some other areas next year. Charles R. Whealton Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com > ... I don't doubt that the cost > of a nursing home is less there. The unfortunate part is that as more > and more people (understandably) flock there from other countries, the > price will probably go up. It might not go up Chuck. Unless and until wages in general go up in Mexico, I wouldn't expect a big rise in the costs for nursing homes. Even if another 50,000 people are needed in the nursing home industry in Mexico, the overall effect on wages may be pretty small. Hopefully however, 50,000 deserving people will get jobs. Alan > > ... I don't doubt that the cost > > of a nursing home is less there. The unfortunate part is that as more [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Alan I absolutely hope you're correct, Alan. It takes special people to work at places where you'll watch nothing but the worst happen to the people you're trying to take care of. I'm not sure I could do it. Take care... Charles R. Whealton Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com |
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