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DJ - 16 Sep 2007 01:24 GMT
Dad just turned 80 and has mid-stage AD. I've been caring for him at home
for the last 2-1/2 years and it is becoming more than I can take. I recently
had to go into the hospital myself due to atrial fibrillation which was
probably caused by stress.

Recently Dad fell twice while at home, and while he didn't break anything he
was admitted to the hospital to determine was might be going on and to give
me some time to arrange for some round-the-clock sitters at home. He has
been in the hospital about 10 days. He has been very agitated while in the
hospital, so much so that his doctor has tried some new meds (Risperdal
maybe, I'm not sure) to try to calm him down. He is a fall risk so the
hospital has put an monitor on him and he has needed round-the-clock sitters
to keep an eye on him. I go visit him twice a day.

Since starting the new meds he seems to be having delusions or
halucinations, I'm not sure what to call them. Especially at night he thinks
he is some place other than the hospital. He now tries to call me in the wee
hours of the morning. He seems to be spending hours trying to contact me
calling my work phone, home phone, cell phone, and now he has started
calling neighbors! I've had to turn off the phones it has gotten so bad. I
feel so guilty that I can't be by his side continually. I'm tied up in knots
every waking moment and have trouble sleeping too!!!!
Dennis P. Harris - 16 Sep 2007 03:12 GMT
> Dad just turned 80 and has mid-stage AD. I've been caring for him at home
> for the last 2-1/2 years and it is becoming more than I can take. I recently
> had to go into the hospital myself due to atrial fibrillation which was
> probably caused by stress.

I'll be blunt:  you cannot and should not attempt to care for him
at home any longer.  It will likely kill you, and probably would
kill him.  Talk to the social worker at the hospital about having
her help you find a place for him in a full care facility after
his release, since it's obvious that you can no longer care for
him due to your own health problems.  YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL GUILTY
ABOUT THIS.  It is not a failure on your part;  circumstances
have changed since you started caring for him at home.  Many of
us have had to do it.

Yes, you might have to sell his home to pay for a higher level of
care until his assets have been spent down and medicaid starts
paying, but folks have to do it all the time.

Really, if you're having heart attacks because you're caring for
him, it's time to place him where professionals can do the heavy
lifting, and you can spend quality time with him without stress.

Remember, he'll be far worse off if you're dead or disabled.
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 16 Sep 2007 03:28 GMT
DJ, I have had atrial fibrillation and I really sympathize with you.  I had
to have a defibrilator implanted in my chest in January, and I still have
not completely recovered.   Get so tired and weak, and give out of breath
very quickly.  I can only imagine how you have suffered looking after your
dad.  As Dennis said, you do not need to try keeping him at home any longer.
Sometimes the caregiver dies before the patient does, and it sounds like you
may be headed in that direction.
You really do need to find a place for him where he will be looked after
around the clock, and you can enjoy visiting with him.  AND YOU ARE NOT
ALLOWED TO FEEL GUILTY!  That is a definite no-no for anyone in this group.
So many of us have been there, and we know that it is better to have them
taken care of by somebody who goes home after their shift and can forget
about any problems until they go back for another shift.  You can't do that
looking after him at home, and you really do not need to try doing it again.
Gwen

>> Dad just turned 80 and has mid-stage AD. I've been caring for him at home
>> for the last 2-1/2 years and it is becoming more than I can take. I
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>
> Remember, he'll be far worse off if you're dead or disabled.
don - 16 Sep 2007 05:08 GMT
> He now tries to call me in the wee
> hours of the morning. He seems to be spending hours trying to contact me
> calling my work phone, home phone, cell phone, and now he has started
> calling neighbors! I've had to turn off the phones it has gotten so bad.

If you have the say-so, have the phone removed from his room.  If not,
tell his doctor what he's doing and have him order it removed.
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Sep 2007 12:23 GMT
> Dad just turned 80 and has mid-stage AD. I've been caring for him at home
> for the last 2-1/2 years and it is becoming more than I can take. I
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> so bad. I feel so guilty that I can't be by his side continually. I'm tied
> up in knots every waking moment and have trouble sleeping too!!!!

Hi DJ,

I am coming in late to this thread, but you have gotten good advice from
Dennis and Gwen and Don.   I concur completely with what they said.

Have them take the phone out of his room overnight if you need to.  Do not
even think of taking him in to live with you.   It is much too stressful and
difficult and it could harm your own health very much.

All of us here have been through this illness with a loved one.   We do
understand what you are going through.  As Gwen said... NO GUILT!

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Best Regards,

Evelyn

DJ - 16 Sep 2007 15:58 GMT
Thanks to all for your replies. Somehow hearing from the group, those that
have been there and done that, makes me feel a bit better.

Two years ago I told Dad that I wanted to get on with my life and asked him
o consider assisted living. He just got angry. Privately he told my brother
"I've never been talked to like that in my whole life! Your brother is only
thinking of himself!" You'd have thought that I had yelled and cursed at
him. And yet from time to time Dad tells me "I'm just a burden to you. You
need to get on with your life." but he never mentions any practical
alternatives to living at home. Now aside from having AD his knee is shot
and he is a very poor candidate for surgery. The knee may force him into a
care facility regardless of what he wants or what I do.

Your advise on a care facility and not feeling guilty is not new. My very
good neighbor with an 80-something AD mother tells me this, my 92 year-old
great-aunt (in an assisted care facility) tells me this, and Mom and Dad's
closest friends tell me this. I guess I've been a coward when it comes to
dealing with Dad, or perhaps I'm still in playing the child role, or maybe
I'm a bit afraid of him as was the disciplinarian in the family. I just
don't know. In many ways I guess I need help more than he does.

> Dad just turned 80 and has mid-stage AD. I've been caring for him at home
> for the last 2-1/2 years and it is becoming more than I can take. I
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> so bad. I feel so guilty that I can't be by his side continually. I'm tied
> up in knots every waking moment and have trouble sleeping too!!!!
June - 16 Sep 2007 19:55 GMT
> Thanks to all for your replies. Somehow hearing from the group, those that
> have been there and done that, makes me feel a bit better.
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> I'm a bit afraid of him as was the disciplinarian in the family. I just
> don't know. In many ways I guess I need help more than he does.

Hi DJ....I think you wrote the truth in your last line.   You need to see a
professional to sort all this out in your mind.   Sometimes people think
they have to fix a situation or that they don't  deserve a better life.
Believe me you've paid your dues and then some.
Do not continue to punish yourself for not living up to your demented
father's expectations.   As quoted in earlier posts you'll both be losers if
your health; physical and mental continues to deteriorate.  Take care of
yourself because you're just as important as anybody else--- Believe
it......June
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Sep 2007 20:37 GMT
> Thanks to all for your replies. Somehow hearing from the group, those that
> have been there and done that, makes me feel a bit better.
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>> so bad. I feel so guilty that I can't be by his side continually. I'm
>> tied up in knots every waking moment and have trouble sleeping too!!!!

DJ, my 94 year old dad constantly harangues me for not coming to see him
often enough, yet the house is filthy and dark and overly hot, and he
complains constantly.   He throws the fact I have dogs in my face and says
"YOU go take care of your DOGS!"  As if there was a competition.

Meanwhile he has a woman, a long time friend living there with him that I
have no use for, but I keep my own silence because she does take care of
him, and I wouldn't want to have to do that.   He hasn't got alzheimers
disease, but he does have vascular insufficiency to his brain, which
occasionally makes him act similarly.   The difference is that he does have
some memory, but the paranoia and hypersensitivity and guilt trips and
controlling behavior are the same.

I know what you are going through, we all do.   Hang in there.  Life is for
the living, and nobody passes this way twice.  When he was in his right
mind, he'd never have acted like this, most likely... am I right?   He will
adapt to a facility in time.   If that lady who takes care of my father ever
decided to quit, I can tell you that he would be in a facility right away.
Somehow they are less controlling and nasty to strangers then to their own
kids.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn

Dennis P. Harris - 17 Sep 2007 04:45 GMT
> Two years ago I told Dad that I wanted to get on with my life and asked him
> o consider assisted living. He just got angry. Privately he told my brother
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> I'm a bit afraid of him as was the disciplinarian in the family. I just
> don't know. In many ways I guess I need help more than he does.

You have to remember now that YOU ARE THE ADULT AND HE IS THE
CHILD because his brain is damaged.  You simply have to grit your
teeth, forget about his anger, and put him in care.  Stop being a
wimp because REMEMBER, THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO TO YOU unless
you LET him do so.

Please, see the hospital social worker about this.  They have
helped caregivers with this problem more than once.  Have either
YOUR doc or his doc ORDER that he be placed, so that the blame
doesn't fall on you, and you can tell him "Dad, I can't do
anything about it, the doctor ordered it".

Now, become the adult you are, and JUST DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
J J - 17 Sep 2007 05:49 GMT
I guess I've been a coward when it comes to dealing with Dad, or perhaps
I'm still in playing the child role, or maybe I'm a bit afraid of him as
was the disciplinarian in the family. I just don't know. In many ways I
guess I need help more than he does

I took care of mom for 4 years and felt the same way I finally could not
handle it by myself any more so I had to put mom into assist living.
once I did my health went down hill almost caused me a stroke, I felt
guilty for about two weeks and once my own life was on the line, I knew
I did the right thing for both mom and I. I paid caregivers and
volunteers to come help me but I now am on anti-depressants, sleeping
pills and 3 blood pressure meds because I let my stress and guilt
consume me. you will feel guilty at first but once they get adjusted to
the place , you will be saying I should have done this a long time ago.
Good luck and don't feel guilty I know it is easier said then done. but
you will have peace of mind once it is done---
JJ
R.M.R. - 17 Sep 2007 05:36 GMT
"DJ" wrote:snip# I feel so guilty that I can't be by his side
continually. I'm tied up in knots every waking moment and have trouble
sleeping too!!!!

~~~~~
Just a short response, With my dad recently passing away at age 93 and
my mom of 87 with Alzheimer's for the past six years I can testify
there is only one thing that will get a person through this, not guilt
nor pity for the sick but rather just one hundred percent
unconditional love. If I could change places with my mom I would in an
instant however that's not to be and yes out of desparation I stood at
the crossroads and offered my soul to the Devil in return for her
recovering. However the bottom line after all these years is like they
say, love can move mountains and it will get you through this and yes
even those sleepless nights. You have my undivided best wishes and as
time goes on you'll find strength you never knew you had if you go
through this in the name of love, a mighty potent medicine...

Ray,
 
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