Hi all,
The past two days have been interesting to say the least. Grandma
went to the tour of the daycare with a happy outlook and truly seemed
to enjoy herself, seemed interested and liked the idea of volunteering-
she even told them about her years volunteering at a local hospital.
But by the time we got home-she was freaked out, angry, suspicious.
Said she didn't want to and wasn't going to go there. Accused me and
hubby of trying to get rid of her and trying to 'do something'. Said
she wanted to pack her bags and go back to Central City (the small
town a couple states away in which she grew up). She wasn't saying it
in a histrionic manner either-she was serious, as if doing so were a
reasonable possibility. When hubby came home, she cornered him. My
husband is a great guy but he kind of communicates like a drill
sergeant-especially when cornered. He had good intentions but it
ended up badly. The next morning, grandma is in a cloud of misery.
She corners me so I use every ounce of my training in therapeutic
communication and experience with demented patients over my career. I
was kind, I was empathetic, I listened, I reassured, I diverted.
Luckily, later that afternoon, my 16-year old son saw grandma as she
had her purse and was headed off down the road. Running away to
somewhere. I sent him after her (because I knew she'd be angry at me)
and he coaxed her back to the house. She wouldn't come in, but sat
outside on a garden bench. Eventually she came back in.
She told me she's going to call 1) her daughter and 2) her nephew and
3) her brother (who is dead, btw) and tell on us. I did send a 'heads
up' email to the living-but otherwise just kept being pleasant and
reassuring and trying to divert.
I keep hearing that song "You ain't seen nothing yet" playing thru my
head. I know the whole idea of the adult center was a major stressor-
hence the fun couple days we've had. In hindsight, I shouldn't have
told her anything-just kept everything in the here and now. I'm
working hard on having foresight instead of hindsight. I do read
every one of your replies! Thanks in advance for not saying 'I told
you so'.
diane
Dennis P. Harris - 02 Jun 2007 06:50 GMT
> I know the whole idea of the adult center was a major stressor-
> hence the fun couple days we've had. In hindsight, I shouldn't have
> told her anything-just kept everything in the here and now. I'm
> working hard on having foresight instead of hindsight. I do read
> every one of your replies!
if this becomes repeated behavior, you will really have to
consider placement in a secure facility just to keep her safe.
you need to give your hubby a clue, whether you whop him upside
the head with a 2x4 or try to reason with him. every family
member needs to understand that if they can't deal effectively
with her in order to keep her living comfortably at home, then
placement in a facility to ensure her safety (bet she doesn't
look when she crosses streets, right?) may be the only choice.
i know you're still overcoming much of your denial, but it's not
only her health at stake here --- there's yours, too, as well as
your hubby & kids.
Evelyn Ruut - 02 Jun 2007 15:25 GMT
> Hi all,
> The past two days have been interesting to say the least. Grandma
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> you so'.
> diane
Wow.... we went through a lot of that stuff too. Nothing to do but to get
through it. We told my mother in law that the doctor said she needed to go
there as therapy. She didn't believe that either, but we somehow managed to
get her on the daycare bus every day for several years. She did listen and
obey hubby, but not so much with me. We used that to our best advantage.
He was after all, her son, and they had a better sense of connection with
one another. One day at a time, we got through it. Early on she would
try to get the bus driver to let her off or to call a taxi for her, or
various other things. The daycare people had alarms on the doors and we
knew she was safe there. For several years she actually thought she was on
a weekend visit here. Finally she realized she lived here, but only for a
moment.

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august - 03 Jun 2007 01:18 GMT
> Hi all,
> The past two days have been interesting to say the least. Grandma
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> you so'.
> diane
Make sure your husband is not wasting a lot of time trying to "reason" with
her. You and he need to decide in private what your exact goals are then say
whatever you need to say to accomplish these goals and then leave all the
extra blah, blah, blah unsaid. He is wasting his breath trying to use reason
with someone who can no longer reason. All you will accomplish with too much
talking is added anger and suspicion. The angry and suspicious (paranoid)
stages are much harder to deal with for the caregiver than the later child
like stages - at least for us. good luck, AW
Tumbleweed - 03 Jun 2007 09:30 GMT
> Make sure your husband is not wasting a lot of time trying to "reason"
> with her. You and he need to decide in private what your exact goals are
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> caregiver than the later child like stages - at least for us. good
> luck, AW
agreed, find a lie that works then stick to it ..going to see the doctor /
she agreed yesterday /place to stop while you get some jobs done / whatever.
But it might not work, it was my dad refusing to go to day care (and the
stress over that) that was the trigger that lead to him going into long term
care. Sometimes the choice is just between two crappy outcomes.

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Evelyn Ruut - 03 Jun 2007 13:15 GMT
>> Make sure your husband is not wasting a lot of time trying to "reason"
>> with her. You and he need to decide in private what your exact goals are
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> into long term care. Sometimes the choice is just between two crappy
> outcomes.
Tumbleweed and August are both right about that.
We don't call it "lying" we call it "loving deception" as was patiently
explained to me by a couple of kind posters on this very newsgroup.
Anything is fair when you need to get them to do something they really need
to do ....such as go to the doctor, dentist, take a shower, whatever.

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