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pyrocrasticfro - 15 May 2007 02:24 GMT Hello everyone, Like so many who visit this group, I've been lurking for a few weeks and reading a lot of the older posts. But I thought I'd introduce myself, tell my story and hopefully gain some wisdom from the more experienced folks.
I am a 51-year-old RN, mother of two teenage boys and wife of a nice guy. My 84-year-old MIL has been living with my husband and I and our two sons for the past 12 years. She was healthy and robust and 'up' for anything. Four years ago she was diagnosed with AD. Of course in retrospect, we can see that she was having symptoms for a couple years prior to that. She was forgetful-but not alarmingly so. A couple times, she locked her keys and/or purse in the car or left the car running with the doors wide open while she went shopping. She became increasingly unsure of herself and seemed to worry over the smallest things. She once turned the gas burners on the stove 'on' but forgot to light them. She'd lost her sense of smell so she had no idea the gas was pouring into our house.
Then she began to have what appeared to be panic attacks. She was even hospitalized for an episode and had a comprehensive cardiovascular and neurological workup-which was normal. But the nurses told us they thought she had early dementia.
Things got worse. She'd get lost in the grocery store. To our dismay, she just stopped cooking-cold turkey-no more coming home to a nice meal lovingly prepared by grandma! She would page my husband and I at work multiple times a day-anxious and fearful and crying "I don't know what's wrong with me!" Fortunately, she also became afraid to drive. For a short-time (before we truly realized what was wrong) we encouraged her to 'get back on the horse' but the day she had my boys in the car and started it with the gas pedal fully depressed (but luckily NOT in gear) was the day we agreed-no more driving.
She started on Reminyl and klonazepam for the anxiety and Zoloft for depression. Things really didn't get worse-but they didn't really improve either. By the spring, it became really obvious that I needed to quit work to stay home with her. The pros (able to stay home with my kids; able to care for grandma) outweighed the cons (less income) and I stopped working. After about a year, the doctor added Namenda to the mix and I must say that the effects were impressive. It seemed like grandma gained about a years worth of abilities-she even started balancing her checkbook again!
So here we are four years later. The effectiveness of the Reminyl and Namenda seem to have worn off. She can't speak in complete sentences- it seems that she can remember the words to start the sentence but can't grasp the words to finish the thought. Sometimes what comes out is pure garble. You can see the blank/lost look in her eyes pretty often as she can't comprehend even simple stuff. She is full of worry and anxiety. She is either sleeping or is restless. Her short-term memory is pretty non-existent. She can prepare and eat her own breakfast cereal but beyond that (if we let her) she'd subsist on sweets, tea and coke for the rest of the day. She reads her junk mail out-loud to me. I think she can read the words but can't understand the meaning. She is obsessed with her bowels. She is lonely, bored, depressed and just plain lost. God knows we've tried every right and wrong approach to help her--ideas of things to do, pep talks and stern lectures. We've drug this horse to many a water trough but she just won't drink!
I've looked at the list of "101 things to do" and just get discouraged. And this is where I'm going to sound like an insensitive jerk-most of these things require someone to initiate and do them with her. We do many of these things-but not to the degree that would fill her day. I run a small computer programming business from my home. I homeschool my sons. And I am truly there for grandma-as much as I can be and still get my work done and retain my sanity. But I'm not able to give her what she seems to thrive on-someone to mindlessly chat with or vicariously participate in whatever someone else is doing. I hate it when I 'uh huh' her millionth telling me something. I have learned to patiently and repeatedly answer the same questions as if I were answering for the very first time---but I fear and feel like I sound like an automaton. I hate the difficult balance of guiding her as if she were a child but trying to do so in an adult manner. To complete this picture, let me copy a portion of the email I sent my husband earlier today (btw the 'bowel list' was my not-so swift idea of daily things to do to make your bowels move)....
Having your sister visit your mom this weekend made me temporarily forget how much her AD has really progressed. But! This morning she's been fretting and worrying over and over and over about 1) the bowel list and 2) the big basket of Mother's Day flowers from <her daughter>. Ok--so I've created a monster with the bowel list. She's obsessed with it. But so far, her damn bowels have moved daily so for now I'll happily trade her one obsession for another.
Now about the flowers. She is freaked because 'they are so big' and 'they hang down' and 'I don't know what to do'. She wants to put them in a vase. I tell her "no, lets keep them in the pretty basket." She still frets. So I go downstairs with her and (with her at my side and watching and listening as I describe what I'm doing), I water them a bit with the sink sprayer. Then I say "We need to leave them sitting in the sink until the water drains through, then we can put them on your dining room table". Then I go back upstairs--my mistake.
About 15 minutes later she calls from the bottom of the stairs "Somebody needs to help me because I don't know what to do!" She has a nice decorative ceramic pitcher in her hand (something about it kind of looks funny but I ignore that). Zane says "she's been watering the plant for the past 10 minutes." I tell her that I'll take care of the plant for her and that it doesn't need any more water. She comes upstairs, obsesses a bit over the bowel list. I tell her that I will make her lunch, but first I go downstairs. I find the basket of flowers still in the sink (good) and the ceramic pitcher is sitting on the counter next to it. I notice again that it looks funny and take a closer look. It is about a third full of water--and about half full of dirt and moss!! I look in the basket and see where she's scooped a good portion of the dirt out (exposing the roots). I run upstairs to fix the lunch (because she's asking about what juice to drink and reading the bowel list to me again.). After fixing her lunch I sneak back downstairs and replace the dirt and moss as best I can. I'll still need to clean up the mess. Sigh.
Okay, I can hear the cries of 'Daycare! Daycare!' already. But, sometimes she doesn't seem so bad-still kind of mild AD. At those times I think Daycare would be demeaning to her. Other times (admittedly, everyday), I think she has more than one foot in the 'moderate' AD camp. I still fear that Daycare would be demeaning to her. And yes, getting her to go would be a battle royal.
Well this introduction has turned out to be waaay longer than I intended. If you've read to the end-thanks! I'll be a good listener now..... diane
Alan Meyer - 15 May 2007 05:52 GMT Diane,
Your email recounts a story that, unfortunately, has been re-enacted millions of times. You've been lucky that the drugs your MIL has taken have helped as much as they have. Some patients hardly benefit at all from them.
My Dad took my mother to daycare. At first she resisted, but then the daycare supervisor, who was very good, took her aside and thanked her for coming and asked her if she would come again and volunteer to help out with the other folks - who all liked her so much and would really benefit from her help.
My Mom was flattered by that and did truly like helping people. She would come and the supervisor would sit her down with someone and my Mom would talk to that person.
Later, of course, that stopped working and daycare ceased to be adequate for her. We eventually had to move her into full-time assisted living.
I suggest that you go visit some of the local daycare facilities. Talk to the supervisors. You may find one who is very good with AD patients and will be able to help you ease your MIL into a situation that will work - even if it's only for a limited time.
Best of luck.
Alan
Tumbleweed - 15 May 2007 06:27 GMT > Hello everyone, > Like so many who visit this group, I've been lurking for a few weeks > and reading a lot of the older posts. But I thought I'd introduce > myself, tell my story and hopefully gain some wisdom from the more > experienced folks.
>God knows we've tried every right and wrong approach to help her >--ideas of things to do, pep talks and stern lectures. We've drug this >horse to many a water trough but she just won't drink!" Pardon me for being harsh, but this statement shows you dont understand. She has a damaged brain that is getting worse, you _cannot_ reason with her, and even if you could its futile as a few minutes later you'll be back where you started. This horse _never_ will drink. Never.
Day care is not only recommended, it is _required_ to save your sanity. And to give you time to do things such as school the children (how on earth can you do that with a brain damaged person wandering around the house switching gas taps on!) and run a business. Its just not possible. (I know she switched the gas on in her own house, whats to stop her doing that in yours? or turning electric ones on, or any of 100 dangerous things unless you watch her like a hawk 24x7.)
After day care comes full time care. Its not a question of 'if' but when, (unless you can affrd to get 2 or 3 carers in round the clock to help?)
Yes it may be a battle to get her to day care, you have to start by not making it an option for her, you just take her, maybe using subterfuge of the sort already mentioned. When my father eventually refused to go into day care (it was a battle every day he went), then he had to go into full time care, as otherwise my mother woud simply have walked out of the house, she just couldnt cope any more. These are the harsh choices you will face.
Just remember 'this is as good as it gets'", dont plan on things getting better, on a 'pep talk' fixing things, or finding some activity that will occupy her all day long, she will deteriorate and you need to start planning for the eventualities now. The day you decide that day care is essential and you need it _now_, means you wont have the luxury of looking around and choosing and there still may be a long waiting list. the same applies for full time care.
Get documents such as financial & medical POAs signed now when she is in a more lucid period.
Apolgies again for being harsh but your comments about given her pep talks and lectures, show to me that what is happening hasnt really sunk in yet. Its not something she can snap out of, or that knitting or doing a puzzle will fix. We've all been there
:-(
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Dennis P. Harris - 15 May 2007 07:12 GMT > Okay, I can hear the cries of 'Daycare! Daycare!' already. But, > sometimes she doesn't seem so bad-still kind of mild AD. At those > times I think Daycare would be demeaning to her. Other times > (admittedly, everyday), I think she has more than one foot in the > 'moderate' AD camp. I still fear that Daycare would be demeaning to > her. And yes, getting her to go would be a battle royal. don't tell her you're taking her there, just load her in the car and drop her off there (after making arrangements ahead of time). just tell her "we're going to go in here for a visit" or tell her that they need her to "help" (most daycare places give "chores" to their participants, like hanging up coats and hats or making name tags). then when she's distracted (staff will help you) take off and TAKE A BREAK. after all, you really deserve it!
that, however, doesn't deal with the larger issue, which is that she has reached the point where she is not safe alone, period. be realistic and get out of your obvious denial --- it's only a matter of time before she does something REALLY dangerous or she wanders off and gets lost while you answer an urgent bathroom call or you are distracted by a phone call or pot boiling over.
it sounds to me like it's already at the point where you are not really able to cope (but you're in denial about it, hoping that things will get better, which is simply not true with this horrible disease). if i were in your position, i would not only have her in day care most of the day, i would be actively looking for a facility and get her on the waiting list. she really needs to be under full, safe, locked down supervision, in a facility where there are activity therapists and a full schedule to keep her as busy as she can be.
if you do place her, DO NOT FEEL GUILTY. after all, your goal is to keep her safe, and a facility with trained staff can actually do a better job of that than one person trying to cope 24/7.
Evelyn Ruut - 15 May 2007 13:02 GMT > Hello everyone, > Like so many who visit this group, I've been lurking for a few weeks [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > now..... > diane Hi Diane,
I have read your post and all the other replies. Everyone gave you excellent information and I concur completely with them all.
It is important for you to come to the place where you realize that whenever she tells you something for the millionth time, that to HER way of thinking, it is the very first time she has told it. Her brain is sick and she can't remember anything anymore, especially something she thinks is important, but she cannot remember that she already told you. My mother in law asked us the same questions so many times we were ready to scream! Because of this memory problem, all the pep talks and little lectures were a waste of your breath, in the sense that she cannot remember anything you tell her anymore.
Daycare is a necessity now, for your sanity and for her to experience some peaceful structured days. You can continue your work at home and to be with your kids, but you cannot watch her all the time and do anything else, and now she has come to the place where she absolutely needs watching all the time.
That time she turned on the gas burners that weren't lit.... just think if someone had turned on a light switch and the spark caused an explosion! My mother in law turned on the faucet in the bathroom and couldn't figure out how to turn it off. They can't remember that they can't remember, think they are doing some perfectly normal thing, and get themselves in trouble.
In reading your very articulate post, I relived a lot of what we went through. We watched a very feisty, self sufficient lady deteriorate over approximately the same period of time. She passed away a couple of years ago from pancreatic cancer, just a year after placing her in a local nursing home, but believe me, the frustration and exhaustion, and the sheer mental stress of it, is still very fresh in our minds here.
My husband took care of her overnight, and I took care of all the other stuff the bathing and dressing etc. We were two of us, empty nesters, committed to caring for her as long as we could, and we were still utterly burnt out by the time we placed her in the nursing home. So I can truly relate to what you are feeling. Others here told me that it was time to place her far earlier than when we actually did it. I didn't want to listen. Ultimately I had to admit they had all been right.
Dennis said to NOT TELL her when you are taking her to the daycare. He is SO right. If you tell her it will just be something more to obsess about or to dig her heels in and refuse to go. Just take her. My mother in law groused about going all the time, but I watched her there when she didn't know I was watching, and she was treated very well and liked it while she was there.
I am convinced that it was the dread of the challenge that she had an aversion to. Not telling in advance goes for doctor visits, dentist visits, anything that might bring on this kind of aversion. It isn't aversion to the thing itself, it is aversion to the challenge, a kind of performance anxiety, when they feel at a loss, afraid of having to "deliver" when they are not up to it.
Good Luck, and stay in touch. I assure you that all of us here have been down this road before and we do care.
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A R Pickett - 15 May 2007 14:13 GMT Hi Diane -
Welcome to the group
I would only echo everyone else's comments, but I want to emphasize one point Dennis made.
Begin the process of investigating residential AZ care in your area, and place her name on the waiting list. My family and I learned with my mother in law as well as with my own parents, that the time to do this is before the placement is ordered by a doctor and you have no choice in destination.
When you have no choice, your loved one goes where there is room. The reason there will be room (in many communities) is that no one wants to go there or place their loved one there. Planning in advance will give you many more options when the time comes.
Please stay in touch!
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pyrocrasticfro - 15 May 2007 14:55 GMT Hello everyone, Thanks so much for your kind replies-they are appreciated, "harsh" and all! I've always operated under the quirk of being an optimist-which is wonderful in and of itself-but my way of glossing over things (especially when I write!) often misleads others into thinking that I'm oblivious. I should have been clearer about the "things to do, pep talks....leading a horse to water" statement. This was describing past mistakes we've made, the very wrong assumptions we've made and the very well intentioned-yet still wrong methods to attempt to improve her daily life. I will say that our epiphany about all of these things-the fact that this is brain damage that logic and reason cannot touch-occurred about 2 years ago. We took the legal steps (POA etc) about 4 years ago when grandma herself could recognize the need for it.
You may still be reserving your opinions about how smart this "nurse" really is if it took her that long to get it. In my defense, it seems to be like parenthood-when I had toddlers, I knew toddlers very well, I was living 'toddlers' everyday. Sure I could read about teenagers, but until I got to 'teenagers' I couldn't really experience the fullness of living with teenagers. I know this journey is an awful journey-so I do want to be prepared and carry your hard-earned advice with us.
I will say that I was surprised that no one said that she was too mild for daycare (optimism versus oblivious!). That was something I couldn't settle on and I did want your opinions. I did look up a local AD Daycare and it sounds like a good program-I'll go check them out this week. And I will talk to my husband about researching future placement. As I write that sentence, I feel guilty. I know I shouldn't. But I do. Kind regards... diane
Alan Meyer - 15 May 2007 15:42 GMT > ... And I will talk to my husband about researching future > placement. As I write that sentence, I feel guilty. I know I > shouldn't. But I do. Please don't feel guilty. There are a lot of reasons why you shouldn't.
1. Professional care can be better than home care. Most often it's not, but sometimes, surprisingly, it is. A very well run assisted living facility will have experienced people who are good at what they do.
2. Planning is essential. It can take months to find out what the local AD facilities are really like and more months to wait for an opening in the one you think is best for her needs. If you don't plan all this in advance you could find yourself needing a place suddenly, after a crisis, and without good placement options.
3. Sooner can be better than later for the patient. There are multiple reasons for this, including the possibility of getting your MIL into a higher functioning unit, and keeping her there longer, than if you bring her in in a very low functioning state. It also gives some opportunity for people to get to know your MIL while she still has some qualities that can endear people to her. And there may be more chance of a good adjustment when she has more faculties to use in the adjustment. She may actually find friends and attachments. My own mother and MIL both did.
4. You can spend a different kind of time with your MIL in an assisted living facility. You can still see her as frequently as you like, but you don't have to prepare meals for her, get her dressed, guard her from harm, or watch her every minute. It can be agonizing to watch the person you love deteriorate, but it's not nearly as stressful as doing that and trying to care for them 24x7, having a person in your house whom you are constantly worried about.
Alan
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 15 May 2007 18:11 GMT Diane, one rule of this newsgroup is that you are not allowed to feel guilty! We have been through some, is not most, of the same things and have learned that guilt has no place in a caretaker's vocabulary. You do the best you can with what you know at the time, and that is the best anyone can really do. You have gotten very good advice and I hope it will help all of you. You really have too much on your plate, and it not only affects you, it also affects all of your family. Good luck, and keep us posted please. Gwen
> Hello everyone, > Thanks so much for your kind replies-they are appreciated, "harsh" and [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Kind regards... > diane Baird Stafford - 16 May 2007 05:55 GMT <snip>
> I will say that I was surprised that no one said that she was too mild > for daycare (optimism versus oblivious!). That was something I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > placement. As I write that sentence, I feel guilty. I know I > shouldn't. But I do. You also mentioned worrying that day care might "demean" her, or words to that effect. Don't. The staff there are very professional (or were at Joe's Club, the one run by the local Alzheimers' Association while the Dowager was still well enough to go there). And as long as you don't *call* it day care and do present it as a pleasant outing, you should have minimal trouble with her (if my experience is anything to go by).
The epiphany came for me when I arrived to take her to Joe's Club one morning and found her lying on the floor of her study, unable to rise and unable to remember how she got there. I took her to the club anyway, and asked the nurses to keep a very close eye on her (and told 'em why I asked, too, of course!). They reported slight but definite changes in her personality - changes I couldn't see because I was too close to her - and suggested I call her doctor. I did, from the Club, and was told to bring her immediately to the emergency room of the local hospital to have her checked out.
This erased my reluctance to remove her from the condominium that she bought when she came back from her stint with the Peace Corps in Hungary - she had never wanted to leave it. HOWEVER, the question now became a medical one, and under the Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care I *am* not only empowered to make but responsible for making such decisions. My sister and I got her into an assisted living facility as soon as possible - presenting it not as a hospital but as a hotel from which she could return to her condo as soon as we were sure she wasn't going to fall down and be all alone until I came in the next day, and it worked for us. It might work for you, too - or perhaps not. People do not lose their differences when they get AD, nor should we expect 'em to.
Blessed be, Baird
Dennis P. Harris - 17 May 2007 02:19 GMT > You may still be reserving your opinions about how smart this "nurse" > really is if it took her that long to get it. In my defense, it seems [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > journey-so I do want to be prepared and carry your hard-earned advice > with us. i forgot to tell you --- get a copy of "the 36 hour day" by mace & rabin as soon as you can. there is a LOT of very useful info in that book.
Evelyn Ruut - 15 May 2007 14:57 GMT > Hi Diane - > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Please stay in touch! Woodstock is right. Start looking now, even if it seems way too soon.
Not meaning to sound too depressing, but you just never know when things could take a sudden turn for the worse. For instance, if your MIL had any medical emergency which required anesthesia, there is a well known effect in which alzheimers patients can take a sudden downturn afterwards. It could be very difficult if you didn't have the approval in place already.
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