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Jules - 21 Feb 2007 16:38 GMT
I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass it
on.

Each time i saw him, i told him that hes to be a great granddad

Anyway the girl had a miscarage, so were both pretty upset....but do i tell
him, i know he forgets each time i tell him, but thats not the point, i want
in my heart to tell him, so he knows how i feel and get his comfort, even at
my age we have always been close, or should i not tell him?

thanks
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Feb 2007 21:07 GMT
>I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass
>it
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> thanks

Jules, it is up to you.   If you think he can handle it OK, then good.

We told my mother in law that she was a great-grandmother, and it sent her
into months of a terrible delusion that SHE had a baby.   She knew there was
a baby, and that it was somehow connected to her.   No amount of explaining
could get it through her head that it wasn't HER baby.    Even photos of the
mother and baby together didn't work.   She imagined she'd had a baby and
that someone was keeping it from her, hiding it away or something.   It was
pretty awful actually.   She would forget everything, but not some incorrect
delusion that would obsess her.

But if your grandad doesn't tend to obsess about things, doesn't have
delusions, then it is probably OK.   You probably already realize this, but
the grandad you have been confiding in for years is slowly fading away, and
it is anybodys guess how he will handle it.   He might be able to handle it
just fine, but what if he doesn't?   Sometimes you just have to take a
chance.    If it was me, I'd tell him and just hope for the best.   But
ultimately you know him best, and whether to take that chance or not is
ultimately your call.

So sorry to hear about your loss, Jules.   It's sad.

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Evelyn Ruut

Jules - 22 Feb 2007 13:15 GMT
> >I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass
> >it
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> So sorry to hear about your loss, Jules.   It's sad.

Evelyn, when i told my granddad, he was happy, he asked me who the mom
was...hes never met her

He was happy at the news...yes he forgets but each time i told him he was
over the moon...

I have always shared things with him, i guess the good and the bad....hes
always been there for me, and now im there for him.....so i think when i
next see him i will play it by ear.  Hes still smart, funny
etc...loving...if it wasnt for his short term memory i wouldnt know any
differant

The hosp yesterday were really sympathic to the girl, never said a word to
me..

last night just got a little drunk...her daughter said we should let a
helium balloon fly away....guess its a good idea
Evelyn Ruut - 22 Feb 2007 15:00 GMT
>> >I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to
>> >pass
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> last night just got a little drunk...her daughter said we should let a
> helium balloon fly away....guess its a good idea

That might be a good idea, Jules.   Sometimes things happen that we don't
understand.   Have faith that it was the right thing.   Often nature sorts
things out for itself.

About your grandad;  As long as he doesn't get into these delusions like Ida
did, I can't see any harm in telling him negative things that concern you,
or worry you.   But at some point you might want to think about not telling
him certain things for his sake, so he doesn't tend to worry or obsess
needlessly.   Only you can decide for yourself at what point that will be.

You are there, you see him and care about him, and you are there to ask the
home if he has delusions.   Thankfully not every person with alzheimers gets
them.   They aren't a picnic.

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Evelyn Ruut

Jules - 22 Feb 2007 15:07 GMT
> >> >I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to
> >> >pass
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> understand.   Have faith that it was the right thing.   Often nature sorts
> things out for itself.

i agree with that, as you know i have had my fair share of girls over the
past 20 years, so this has happend many times before, some times not even
knowing that the girl knew she was pregnant, and the hosp said 1 in 5 is
normal, this hurts as the the mom wanted to the name AJ, Arthur
Julian.....and she knew how much my granddad meant to me, and you could see
how happy he was with the news.....

> About your grandad;  As long as he doesn't get into these delusions like Ida
> did, I can't see any harm in telling him negative things that concern you,
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> home if he has delusions.   Thankfully not every person with alzheimers gets
> them.   They aren't a picnic.

i always pop out of his room and ask the carers how he has been in the week,
they always said fantastic, eats well, keeps clean, knows everything and no
concerns at all...the only thing he asks me is, how old is Arthur, and whats
the weather like outside, as he doest get out, he recognises me....the dog,
smiles when he sees me (mabe not, but the dog yeah)  etc

i always tell him what i get upto, he laughs.....
Adelle - 22 Feb 2007 17:45 GMT
>> >> >I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to
>> >> >pass
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> i always tell him what i get upto, he laughs.....

Julian,

I am so sorry. It is so sad. The balloon is a nice idea, but any expression
recognizing your feelings will help. And as long as it won't cause
ramifications, seeking the support from your grand dad will be good for you.

One day, and it may be soon, you will need to reverse roles with your grand
dad. He may be your rock and your source of comfort, as he always has been.
But one day, you will need to switch and be the rock for him. This disease
requires us to parent our parents, even when we need their support most. It
sucks! But we have to do what is best for them and not always what we would
like.

We may feel the need for them to parent us, but they eventually lose the
ability to do so, whether our needs go away, intensify, or stay the same.
Like with children, there is a degree of sacrifice in caring for our
'parents' (and your grand dad is your parent, your father in your heart). We
shouldn't martyr ourselves. But we need to be aware that some of our needs,
even very deep ones, will no longer be satisfied directly by them, just as
if they were already dead. But we can always look to our hearts and our
prior experiences with our parents to feel their love and support.

Wishing you comfort and all good things
Adelle
Jules - 23 Feb 2007 09:29 GMT
> Julian,
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> Wishing you comfort and all good things
> Adelle

thanks for that, i know he will get worse over time...but i have enough
happy memories of him and my late nan to last a lifetime, he always still
asks me what im upto
Alan Meyer - 23 Feb 2007 01:41 GMT
> ... i agree with that, as you know i have had my fair share of girls over the
> past 20 years, so this has happend many times before, some times not even
> knowing that the girl knew she was pregnant ...

You know Jules, I have to say that this kind of thing is not the
most responsible behavior in the world.  Sex is wonderful and
children are wonderful too, but do you really want to bring new
children into the world randomly, with different women, without
any advance plan for how you're going to take care of them for
the next 18 years or more, for how you're going to provide a
home for them?

You may think that your Dad didn't provide for you, so why do
you need to provide for your child.  But do you want your child
to think of you the way you think of your Dad?

   Alan
Jules - 23 Feb 2007 09:34 GMT
> > ... i agree with that, as you know i have had my fair share of girls over the
> > past 20 years, so this has happend many times before, some times not even
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>     Alan

I love being with girls, always have, but the girl, nay woman who was
pregnant had tried for 10 years with her ex husband. I guess i should grow
up one day....
Tumbleweed - 21 Feb 2007 23:01 GMT
>I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass
>it
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>
> thanks

Jules, if he has forgotten (sounds likely) that he was going to be a great
granddad, doesn't seem much point. It would be something like me saying to
you "I know you forgot that you won the lottery, well I have some more news,
you didnt."

See if he raises the subject next time you see him, if he doesn't, I dont
see the point.

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Jules - 22 Feb 2007 13:18 GMT
> >I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass
> >it
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> See if he raises the subject next time you see him, if he doesn't, I dont
> see the point.

i dont think he would raise the point, but i will see how it goes, i have
always told him everything since i was a small boy and always turned to him
in times of need

> Tumbleweed
>
> email replies not necessary but to contact use;
> tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com
Chuck Whealton - 23 Feb 2007 00:51 GMT
> I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass it
> on.
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>
> thanks

Jules, man, I can't tell you how very sad I am to hear this.  My Wife
and I went through the same thing 4 years back.  Sooner, in the
process than I believe it happened for you and your girlfriend, but it
doesn't change the fact that it hurts.

Just the other day, I was walking around my facility for some
lunchtime exercise and I actually found myself wondering what that
child we lost would have been like.

As for your Grandfather, yea, I imagine you would want to tell him.  I
sure would.  And unfortunately, he'll probably forget - or he might
just get sad, and like Evelyn said, who knows what could happen from
there, though it SOUNDS like he wouldn't go into a delusional state
over it.

I guess that ones a coin toss and you're going to have to make the
call.

Whatever you decide, I'm very sorry to hear about what happened.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
Nina Pretty Ballerina - 23 Feb 2007 05:59 GMT
>I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass
>it
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>
> thanks

sorry for your loss jules.

Sounds like you really need to talk about what has happened, is there
someone else you are close to?  others have given better views that i have,
but maybe another friend or relative could be better to talk to about how
you are feeling.

i think the one that mentioned wait until your gf brings it up.

so sorry about your litle one that didnt make it

:(
Jules - 23 Feb 2007 09:41 GMT
> >I did not see him at the weekend, as i had bad flu and didnt want to pass
> >it
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> :(

thanks, im not bad now, still disapointed...but ok.  I was actually hoping
my granddad would still be the same once the baby was born, so he could hold
him and i could have a foto of them both, i would have been so proud.
 
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