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angelsong - 16 Feb 2007 02:17 GMT
For 5 years I have telling my sister & father about my mother's
failing memory.  While she could recall the coversation I have spoke,
begged, yelled and threatened with being disowned with my mother.  She
even slapped me once during our conversation, me pleading with her to
see a doctor. I'm a constant buzz in everyone's ear, no one listened.
Untill now, My father comes to see me, admits he's NOW worried about
Mom's memory. Duh! Swift smack to my forehead, now he's worried. At
least he's here and a beg him to get her to a doctor.  He's not that
worried it seems. She can't remember how to turn on the car or open
trunk. Can't remeber conversations but that's ok - by thw evening
she's much better. I tell him they can do something now, we can't we
can't wait any more.  Now that he knows it's on him. His
responsibility. My responsibilty. Now my sister too sees. But no one
wants me to talk to her again about it. If she were on fire would they
just let her burn?  Anyone have an idea about how to get my family in
gear?  My mother thinks I hate her, that I am trying to convince
people she's crazy.  After 5 yrs of going behind her paying for This
is getting old being alone in this.

Angelsong
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 16 Feb 2007 11:35 GMT
Look, write your mother's doctor a letter about what is going on, and
ask for his help. Any excuse to get her in there - a routine check,
something for insurance, some other problem whatever. Get an
appointment made for the made up excuse (don't ask your mother's
permission, just get it arranged), and get your father to take her, or
you take her. Loving deception is totally warranted. She needs help!

Mary G.
June - 16 Feb 2007 18:56 GMT
Hi....The fact that your father came to you is a sign that he is beginning
to realize that something is seriously wrong.  Perhaps if you volunteer to
help him take her for a check up and make sure he knows you will be there.
Tell him you'll even make the appointment.  The day is coming when he will
take you up on this offer or something very unfortunate is going to happen
or both.  If your Mom is still driving she should be reported to state
department of motor vehicles.   You can do this on the internet anonymously
or you can have a friend do it.  I did this with my mother.  My brother's
first realization that I might be right about our mother was when she had no
idea how to answer questions on the driver's test.   It sounds like you've
done what you can for the most part.   I know the feeling when you're the
only one that sees the problem and everyone else makes excuses for your
mother's behavior.   Sometimes situations are out of your control.  Denial
can be one of the most difficult parts of this disease.   I know, I've been
there........June

> For 5 years I have telling my sister & father about my mother's
> failing memory.  While she could recall the coversation I have spoke,
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> Angelsong
Dennis P. Harris - 18 Feb 2007 05:44 GMT
> I tell him they can do something now, we can't we
> can't wait any more.  Now that he knows it's on him. His
> responsibility. My responsibilty.

Tell your father if he doesn't call her doc and get a referral
for a full neuro-psychiatric and physical exam, that you will
call Adult Protective Services.  If he balks, remind him that NOT
taking action can be considered Elder Abuse, and APS might force
him to do things he might not want to do, like put her in a care
facility.
Chuck Whealton - 19 Feb 2007 03:08 GMT
On Feb 18, 12:44 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)
wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2007 18:17:07 -0800 in alt.support.alzheimers,
>
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> him to do things he might not want to do, like put her in a care
> facility.

'Ya know?  I will say that something SIMILAR to this happened with my
Aunt and Uncle (both gone now).  It didn't go on anywhere near this
long.

I began noticing my Aunt's memory deteriorating rapidly and I would
mention it to my Uncle.  He would do what it sounds like Angelson's
Father has been doing.  Basically not facing up to the truth.  I
called my Cousins and they got together with my Uncle and got her to a
Doctor for her diagnosis.  This went on no longer than several months
before my Cousins got involved.

In the end, it turned out that my Uncle was also suffering from
dementia.  Pics disease in his case and Alzheimer's in the case of my
Aunt.

Hopefully it's just a case of the Father not wanting to face up to
what's really happening and not something like what happened with my
Aunt and Uncle, which I'm sure is probably relatively rare.  At least
I hope it's rare.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
Evelyn Ruut - 19 Feb 2007 13:44 GMT
> On Feb 18, 12:44 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)
> wrote:
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> Charles R. Whealton
> Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

Hi Charles,

Sadly it isn't as rare as you might think.   Had a disagreement recently on
soc.senior.issues newsgroup where denial is the name of the game.   It's
more common than we realize.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn Ruut

Chuck Whealton - 21 Feb 2007 11:39 GMT
> > On Feb 18, 12:44 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)
> > wrote:
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> Evelyn Ruut

Evelyn:

Hello!  I'm sorry I didn't make it my post entirely clear.  What I
meant was that I hope both a husband AND wife suffering from dementia
at the same time is rare.

I'm sure denial is anything but rare, especially having gone through
it myself when it came to my own Mother who suffered from dementia
(thought to have been due to mini-strokes).

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @  pleasedontspam.com
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Feb 2007 12:06 GMT
>> > On Feb 18, 12:44 am, NO_SPAM_TO_dphar...@gci.net (Dennis P. Harris)
>> > wrote:
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> Charles R. Whealton
> Charles Whealton @  pleasedontspam.com

Hi Charles,

Actually it isn't the first time it has been posted here that both parents
were suffering from one kind of dementia or another.   I imagine it is
probably somewhat rare, but it does happen.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn Ruut

June - 21 Feb 2007 13:57 GMT
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it happens more than one might
realize.  My mother's husband was getting alz at the same time she had
dementia back in the mid nineties.   He had other health problems as well
and died in '98.   I almost suggested this possibility to Angelsong but I
thought she would probably be aware of it.  Maybe not.  Some dementias can
be very subtle at first as most of us know.....June

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> were suffering from one kind of dementia or another.   I imagine it is
> probably somewhat rare, but it does happen.
Chuck Whealton - 21 Feb 2007 23:49 GMT
> >> "Chuck Whealton" <chuck_wheal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Wow, that's frightening.  I mean it's bad enough for one spouse to
have it, let alone both.  I remember my Uncle just didn't seem to take
it as seriously as I thought he should be.  Listening to Angelsong's
story about her Father (who finally came around, it appears) made me
think of that.

Hopefully it's not for the same reasons as it was with my late Uncle.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
Tumbleweed - 22 Feb 2007 00:57 GMT
> Wow, that's frightening.  I mean it's bad enough for one spouse to
> have it, let alone both.  I remember my Uncle just didn't seem to take
> it as seriously as I thought he should be.  Listening to Angelsong's
> story about her Father (who finally came around, it appears) made me
> think of that.

1 in 4 people aged over 85 have Az, so there is a 1 in 4 chance that for
every couple where both are 85 or over and where one has Az, so does the
other.

I suppose there is also only a roughly 50/50 chance (9/16 to be exact) that
neither will have it and 50/50 (7/16 to be exact) that at least one will.
Pretty depressing. I think my maths is correct unfortunately?

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