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meno.mama@hotmail.com - 10 Nov 2006 01:05 GMT
My mother, who has been diagnosed with "progressive memory loss" (but
we're confused as her mental state mimics dementia/alz) may need
in-home care, or a care facility in the Torrance area (SW Los Angeles
beach area) in the semi-near future.

Am hoping someone might have some insight or recommendations as to a
good location?

Currently my Father is her caretaker but this is putting a lot of
stress on him...and I worry about his health too.

Thanks for any related info. anyone can provide!
Dennis P. Harris - 10 Nov 2006 07:12 GMT
> My mother, who has been diagnosed with "progressive memory loss" (but
> we're confused as her mental state mimics dementia/alz) may need
> in-home care, or a care facility in the Torrance area (SW Los Angeles
> beach area) in the semi-near future.

"Progressive memory loss" is NOT a valid diagnosis?  If the doc
doing the diagnosis was her primary care doc, he should
IMMEDIATELY refer her to a geriatric psychiatrist and neurologist
for a thorough neuro and psych test regime.  

it's important to determine the ***cause*** of her dementia
(another name for memory loss), since some causes of memory
problems, including vitamin b deficiency, thyroid deficiency,
severe depression, statins (to lower cholesterol), and normal
pressure hydrocephaly, can be treated quite successfully.

alzheimers' can't be cured yet, but drug treatment can certainly
slow the progression of the disease.  the important thing now is
to get as accurate and detailed a diagnosis as possible.

check www.alz.org for info on contacting your local alzheimer's
association chapter, who should be able to provide info and
pointers.  your state office of the aging should also have lots
of info.

and go buy 2 copies of "the 36 hour day" by mace and rabin,
available in any large bookstore --- one for you, one for your
father.
Alan Meyer - 10 Nov 2006 17:34 GMT
> ...
> it's important to determine the ***cause*** of her dementia
> (another name for memory loss), since some causes of memory
> problems, including vitamin b deficiency, thyroid deficiency,
> severe depression, statins (to lower cholesterol), and normal
> pressure hydrocephaly, can be treated quite successfully.

I have read claims that Alzheimer's is responsible for 90%
of all dementia cases.  However even if that is true, I think
Dennis is right.  It would be a tragedy if your mom fell into
the other 10% but nobody found out.

You might try asking your mom's doctor if he tested for each
of the specific conditions that Dennis mentioned.  If he
responds that it isn't necessary because these conditions
are very rare - then I'd look for a qualified neurologist who
will check.

I don't think you should get your hopes up.  The odds are
that your mother's condition is not reversible.  But it would
be good to get the best medical advice you can get to find
out if that's really true.

> alzheimers' can't be cured yet, but drug treatment can certainly
> slow the progression of the disease.

I'd like to make one qualification to this.  It is my understanding
that the drugs that are currently approved for Alzheimer's
treatment don't slow the progression of the disease, they
slow the progression of the symptoms.  They may help the
patient to function at a higher level in spite of the disease.
But the underlying brain damage continues to occur at the
same rate.  Some patients are helped more than others and
many are not helped at all.  But they are probably worth trying.

>  the important thing now is
> to get as accurate and detailed a diagnosis as possible.
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> available in any large bookstore --- one for you, one for your
> father.

Excellent advice.

   Alan
meno.mama@hotmail.com - 10 Nov 2006 18:57 GMT
Alan and Dennis,

Thank you both!  I will follow up on this.

My mother is 84 and my father 86.  I sense they are both reluctant to
pursue more doctors, etc. due to age and other health related issues,
but I am providing them both (mainly my dad of course) with all info. I
find so they/he can make informed choices.  My dad is pretty together
mentally and physically so I trust him to make the best choices for
them.

She did have a brain MRI via their HMO (my experience w/HMO's has been
dismal!) about a year ago and supposedly no evidence of Alz was found.

She does however take thyroid meds as she had hers removed
about...gosh, I think it was 10 or so years ago.  I told my dad last
night about the possibility of thryoid and lack of B possibly causing,
or making worse, her symptoms.  He said next docs visit he will follow
up...I will prod him a bit!  :-)

She is becoming easily aggitated & argumentive and that, plus her
erratic sleep schedule is stressing my dad more than anything.  Is
there something that can be prescribed to "calm" her without drugging
her out?
Evelyn Ruut - 10 Nov 2006 21:03 GMT
> Alan and Dennis,
>
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> there something that can be prescribed to "calm" her without drugging
> her out?

When my mother in law first came to live with us, and she got especially
argumentative and restless in the evenings, a couple of Tylenol PM tablets
used to really help.

Then later I cut it down to one, and still later I didn't give them to her
at all, because she would go to bed with no hassle and stay there without
any problems.   This was due to the progression of her illness though.
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Evelyn
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Dennis P. Harris - 12 Nov 2006 04:11 GMT
> My dad is pretty together
> mentally and physically so I trust him to make the best choices for
> them.

They both need to designate a Durable Power of Attorney for their
medical decisions NOW so that someone else can make those
decisions for them when they can't.  Especially at their age,
everything can change in an instant when one of them has a
stroke, an accident, or some kind of medical crisis.

No matter how reluctant they are to discuss these matters and
their wishes for terminal care, YOU MUST TALK ABOUT IT NOW and
get the paperwork out of the way.  You do NOT want to be stuck in
a situation where they are both either incompetent or to ill to
make decisions.

Please convince them that it's in their interest as well as those
of their children that they do so now.
Dennis P. Harris - 12 Nov 2006 04:25 GMT
> She is becoming easily aggitated & argumentive and that, plus her
> erratic sleep schedule is stressing my dad more than anything.  Is
> there something that can be prescribed to "calm" her without drugging
> her out?

who is administering her meds?  if she has a memory impairment,
it's very possible that she may be alternatively not taking her
meds or overdosing, because she may either think that she's
already taken them when she hasn't, or that she hasn't when she
has.  erratic medication is one of the giveaway signs of
dementia, and someone overdosing on thyroid would probably be
agitated and have trouble sleeping.  if she's administering her
own meds your father should start doing it instead, being sure to
check it off on a written schedule.

the other think to remember is that she may be getting agitated
or argumentative because her reality is different than your
father's but he doesn't understand that.  agitation can often be
relieved by NOT attempting to correct the impaired person, but
simply acknowledging what they are saying.

argumentative, because she doesn't remember doing or not doing
things, or putting things in odd places, agitated because she no
longer has control of what she remembers.  wouldn't you be upset
if you couldn't remember what someone said to you 2 minutes ago,
or where you just put something you had in your hand a minutes
ago?

please get yourself a copy of "the 36 hour day" as i previously
suggested --- there is a lot of info in there about behavioral
problems and how to deal with them.  if you go to google groups
and google the archives of this newsgroup for "agitation" you
will find a lot of info about what the folks in the group have
tried.

for many, what worked was to have the loved one's doc prescribe
psych meds to deal with delusions or agitation, but one reason
you need a precise diagnosis of the type of dementia is that
various psych meds work differently depending on the type of
dementia.  many psych drugs aggravate rather than help agitation
in patients with frontal lobe dementias, for instance.
 
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