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RK - 04 Oct 2006 16:26 GMT
I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me if
there's something on the way?
Easter Stephens - 04 Oct 2006 16:32 GMT
Lets Hope so....I'm ready for it...
Tumbleweed - 05 Oct 2006 12:04 GMT
> I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me
> if there's something on the way?

there are always lots and lots of trials and 'promising results' but nothing
like a 'cure' is on the horizon, either in pill or vaccine form (though if
you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a
vaccine that had some limited effect in trials in one study)

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June - 05 Oct 2006 13:17 GMT
Hey I meet 3 out of the 4 criteria.

Squeak!   Squeak!  Opps I better be careful ,  I have 2 cats.......June

>> I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me
>> if there's something on the way?
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> (though if you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail,
> there is a vaccine that had some limited effect in trials in one study)
Easter Stephens - 06 Oct 2006 21:53 GMT
The artical that I read said that the....Diabetes medecine preserves the
brain from Alzheimers and the Avandia will clean the crud left there
from the alzheimers...I suppose I've told you a dozen times...it hasn't
cleaned my brain yet...I'm waiting...Or I think I am....
Tumbleweed - 07 Oct 2006 07:44 GMT
> The artical that I read said that the....Diabetes medecine preserves the
> brain from Alzheimers and the Avandia will clean the crud left there
> from the alzheimers...I suppose I've told you a dozen times...it hasn't
> cleaned my brain yet...I'm waiting...Or I think I am....

I think you'll find the article said that it **might** do that, in some
circumstances (such as in a mouse). It may also only work for some people
(the trial result I read for Avandia said that it had some measurable effect
(but NOT a cure) but only on those people who lacked a certain gene.

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rs1000b@yahoo.com - 08 Oct 2006 01:27 GMT
> The artical that I read said that the....Diabetes medecine preserves the
> brain from Alzheimers and the Avandia will clean the crud left there
> from the alzheimers...I suppose I've told you a dozen times...it hasn't
> cleaned my brain yet...I'm waiting...Or I think I am....

R(+) Alpha-lipoic acid has been shown to do this in vitro, and a
published human trial showed that lipoic acid stabilized cognitive
function in demented patients with Alzheimer's.  I talk about this in
another posting to this thread and what kind of lipoic acid to buy.

There are a number of substances that have been shown in preliminary
studies to potentially break down already formed abea and inhibit new
formation.

Most recently, Uncaria rhynchophylla extract just last month:

J Neurosci Res. 2006 Aug 1;84(2):427-33.  Links

Uncaria rhynchophylla, a Chinese medicinal herb, has potent
antiaggregation effects on Alzheimer's beta-amyloid proteins.

Fujiwara H, Iwasaki K, Furukawa K, Seki T, He M, Maruyama M, Tomita N,
Kudo Y, Higuchi M, Saido TC, Maeda S, Takashima A, Hara M, Ohizumi Y,
Arai H.

Department of Geriatric and Complementary Medicine, Center for Asian
Traditional Medicine Research, Tohoku University School of Medicine,
Sendai, Japan.

Because the deposition of beta-amyloid protein (Abeta) is a consistent
pathological hallmark of Alzheimer's disease (AD) brains, inhibition of
Abeta generation, prevention of Abeta fibril formation, or
destabilization of preformed Abeta fibrils would be attractive
therapeutic strategies for the treatment of AD. We examined the effects
of several medicinal herbs used in traditional Chinese medical formulae
on the formation and destabilization of Abeta fibrils by using the
thioflavin T binding assay, atomic force microscopic imaging, and
electrophoresis. Our study demonstrates that several of these herbs
have potent inhibitory effects on fibril formation of both Abeta(1-40)
and Abeta(1-42) in concentration-dependent manners; in particular,
Uncaria rhynchophylla inhibited Abeta aggregation most intensively.
Significant destabilization of preformed Abeta(1-40) and Abeta(1-42)
fibrils was also induced by Uncaria rhynchophylla as well as some other
herb extracts. Three-dimensional HPLC analysis indicated that the water
extract of this herb contains several different chemical compounds,
including oxindole and indol alkaloids, which have been regarded as
neuroprotective. Our results suggest that Uncaria rhynchophylla has
remarkably inhibitory effects on the regulation of Abeta fibrils, and
we conclude that this medicinal herb could have the potency to be a
novel therapeutic agent to prevent and/or cure AD.

PMID: 16676329 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Some others that have shown ability to destabilize already formed abeta
include high dose curcumin extract (needs to be taken with piperine to
be absorbed well).

See:  "Curcumin has potent anti-amyloidogenic effects for Alzheimer's
beta-amyloid fibrils in vitro." Ono K, Hasegawa K, Naiki H, Yamada M.
Department of Neurology and Neurobiology of Aging, Kanazawa University
Graduate School of Medical Science, Kanazawa, Japan.
PMID: 14994335

Examples of some others that have shown this potential ability:

1) High dose CoQ10.
2) tannic acid. (think tannin-rich wines)
3) fruit polyphenols and other polyphenols (drink lots of pomegranate
juice, eat high quality dark chocolate, take bilberry extract).
4) nicotine as well, apparently.
Alan Meyer - 13 Oct 2006 17:49 GMT
> ...
> R(+) Alpha-lipoic acid has been shown to do this in vitro, and a
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> Most recently, Uncaria rhynchophylla extract just last month:
> ...

These are intriguing studies, however my sense is that we're
still not getting at the underlying causes of the disease through
these kinds of treatments.

As I understand it, the diabetes theory of Alzheimer's is that
the brain is no longer able to efficiently metabolize glucose -
which is the nutrient from which the brain gets its energy to
keep the neurons alive.  The brain compensates for this by
directing its metabolic energy into the core activities that keep
us alive - breathing, heart beat regulation, that sort of thing.
It does this by withdrawing energy resources from the less
important (for staying alive) activities of thinking.

Again, if I understand the theory correctly, the formation of
beta-amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles, the immediate
causes of nerve cell damage in Alzheimer's diseased brains,
are a secondary effect of lack of available energy in the cells.

Chemicals that inhibit the formation of beta-amyloid plaques
might be helpful in slowing down the damage process, but
wouldn't be able to halt it.  By analogy, imagine a leg that's
not getting enough blood, for example due to diabetes.  The
leg gets cold and gets infections.  You can warm it up, and you
can inject antibiotics into it.  Those will reduce the immediate
complications caused by the problem, but won't arrest the
damage.  Eventually, the leg dies.

I'm just speculating on all of this.  No one knows for sure if
the diabetic theory is right.  No one knows if anything I've said
above is right.  And I hate to throw cold water on any research
that shows any promise of any kind of help in Alzheimer's
Disease.

I just want everyone to guard their optimism.  The problem is
very difficult.  Our understanding of the underlying molecular
biology is very, very incomplete.  Lots of very basic research
is going to be required before we find the true cure.

   Alan
Easter Stephens - 19 Oct 2006 16:29 GMT
They are giving Avandia for Diabetes now....And I heard not long ago
that it might cure it....wouldn't that be nice...
ladylove77 - 19 Oct 2006 20:05 GMT
Easter, that would really be wonderful for lots of people.
Gwen
 They are giving Avandia for Diabetes now....And I heard not long ago
 that it might cure it....wouldn't that be nice...

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 Easter Stephens
Alan Meyer - 05 Oct 2006 20:22 GMT
> ... (though if
> you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a
> vaccine that had some limited effect in trials in one study)

I've tried that TW and it really works.

I can run the maze 15% faster now, and I've been able
to get the cheese more often without getting my fingers
smashed.

However relations with the neighborhood cats have
deteriorated to the point where I can't leave the house
any more.

   Alan
Evelyn Ruut - 05 Oct 2006 20:50 GMT
>> ... (though if
>> you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a
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>
>    Alan

LOL!
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Tumbleweed - 05 Oct 2006 21:05 GMT
>> ... (though if
>> you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a
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>
>    Alan

ROFL...and watch out for the farmers wife.

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ladylove77 - 05 Oct 2006 22:54 GMT
LOL.
Gwen

>> ... (though if
>> you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>    Alan
rs1000b@yahoo.com - 08 Oct 2006 00:18 GMT
> I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me if
> there's something on the way?

At the current time, some of the most promising compounds for
Alzheimer's are actually natural substances that cannot be patented by
pharmaceutical companies.  Thus, you won't see doctors prescribing
them.

Here are a couple examples of two of the most important natural
substances:

One of particular importance is something called sominone found
naturally in Ashwagandha extract (withania somnifera).  Administration
of this extract of Ashwagandha in a mouse model of Alzheimer's was
shown to do the following in published, peer-reviewed study:

1) Prevents loss of axons, dendrites, and synapses (protects brain
cells from Abeta)
2) Significantly improved and reversed memory deficits
3) Actually induced axonal and dendritic regeneration and synaptic
reconstruction significantly in rat cortical neurons damaged by Abeta.
(It somehow caused Abeta damaged neural networks to undergo
reconstruction and caused new neuronal growth.  No pharmaceutical even
comes close to what this compound has been shown to do in rodents.)

4) Among other things, other studies show that it:
   a) Acts as a acetylcholinesterase inhibitor
   b) may improve cognition even in healthy people
   c) has antioxidant properties and upregulates the brain's own
antioxidant enzymes

Ashwagandha extract has a long history of use as a nutritional
supplement and has been tested in humans in published trials.  It has
no known side effects at typical dosages.
======================

A second natural compound I'd like to mention is Alpha-lipoic acid,
specifically "R(+)" Alpha-lipoic acid, often abbreviated as R(+)-ALA,
or R-ALA.  It is a very potent antioxidant that is produced in minute
quantities naturally in the human body, and also has been demonstrated
to have a quite a number of other positive effects on the biochemical
inner-workings of cells.
Lipoic acid has been used by German doctors for diabetes patients for
decades, and is known to be safe.  Like Ashwagandha extract, it is not
a pharmaceutical drug, but rather a popular nutritional supplement.

A new published details how R-ALA may be beneficial for Alzheimer's
patients:

See:
Lipoic acid as a novel treatment for Alzheimer's disease and related
dementias,
Holmquist L, Stuchbury G, Berbaum K, Muscat S, Young S, Hager K, Engel
J, Munch G.
Pharmacol Ther. 2006 Sep 19

In fact, a dirty form of lipoic acid (by dirty, I mean a very poor
formulation compared to the R(+)) was already tested in human trials in
Alzheirmer's patients and found to stabilize cognitive function.  Read
this following abstract from the trial conducted in Germany:

Arch Gerontol Geriatr. 2001 Jun;32(3):275-282.

Alpha-lipoic acid as a new treatment option for Azheimer type
dementia.Hager K, Marahrens A, Kenklies M, Riederer P, Munch G.

Department of Medical Rehabilitation and Geriatrics,
Henriettenstiftung, Schwemannstrasse 19, D-30559, Hannover, Germany

Oxidative stress and energy depletion are characteristic biochemical
hallmarks of Alzheimer's disease (AD), thus antioxidants with positive
effects on glucose metabolism such as thioctic (alpha-lipoic) acid
should exert positive effects in these patients. Therefore, 600 mg
alpha-lipoic acid was given daily to nine patients with AD and related
dementias (receiving a standard treatment with acetylcholinesterase
inhibitors) in an open study over an observation period of, on avarage,
337+/-80 days. The treatment led to a stabilization of cognitive
functions in the study group, demonstrated by constant scores in two
neuropsychological tests (mini-mental state examination: MMSE and AD
assessment scale, cognitive subscale: ADAScog). Despite the fact that
this study was small and not randomized, this is the first indication
that treatment with alpha-lipoic acid might be a successful
'neuroprotective' therapy option for AD and related dementias.

PMID: 11395173 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
==

Until very recently there were problems with commercially available
lipoic acid that may have prevented it from being very effective.  One
of the problems is that it was only available as the dirty "racemic"
DL-form rather than the R(+) form.  Another problem is that it has a
very short half-life in plasma of less than 25 minutes.  Both of these
problems have been solved by chemists from a couple different
companies: Geronova (geronova.com), and Advanced Orthomelcular
Research(AOR) of Canada (www.aor.ca).  They have produced stable
sustained-release formulations of the R(+) form of lipoic acid which
has been shown to be effective in scientific studies.  These are
available for purchase online.  (The type of Alpha lipoic acid you'll
find on the shelf at Wal-Mart or your local supplement shop is not the
right kind to buy.)

With regard to Ashwagandha extract, a decent **4.5%** extract can be
found at many supplement shops under the brand name of "NOW".

Although I can't give definitive dosages, my recommendation for brands
would be:

For R(+)lipoic acid:
Product name:  R (+) SR (150mg caps).  Manufacturer:  AOR (website
http://www.aor.ca)
(this is a stabilized, sustained release form of the pure R(+) form I
talked about)
I don't know if they sell this directly.  You might have to search for
an online merchant that carries this product.  Biotin (a form of
B-vitamin) should be taken daily if lipoic acid is taken.  Biotin is
very inexpensive.

For Ashwaganha extract:
Product name: Ashwagandha 4.5% Extract     Brand name:  "NOW"
Can be found at many decent supplement shops

Dosing for these would be every eight hours.  Perhaps two caps of the
4.5% ashwagandha every eight hours.

Maybe 600 or 750mg  total daily of the R(+) SR, in three divided daily
dosages (every eight hours).

====

Why should I stop here, I guess.  Another compound is
Acetyl-l-carnitine.  This is often abbreviated as "ALCAR."   This is
another popular nutritional supplement that cannot be patented.
Evidence suggests that it helps to protect against Abeta toxicity.
Dosage would be something like 1000mg every twelve hours.  This is
available at your local supplement shop and probably Wal-Mart too, your
choice of brand.  It is acidic with a bad taste, so I recommend
capsules rather than purchasing just the powder.  Acetyl-l-carnitine
synergizes with R(+)-ALA.

Here's some study results with ALCAR:

J Neurosci Res. 2006 Aug 1;84(2):398-408.
Acetyl-L-carnitine-induced up-regulation of heat shock proteins
protects cortical neurons against amyloid-beta peptide 1-42-mediated
oxidative stress and neurotoxicity: implications for Alzheimer's
disease.

Abdul HM, Calabrese V, Calvani M, Butterfield DA.
Department of Chemistry, Center for Membrane Sciences, University of
Kentucky, Lexington, 40506, USA.

Alzheimer's disease (AD) is a progressive neurodegenerative disorder
characterized by loss of memory and cognition and by senile plaques and
neurofibrillary tangles in brain. Amyloid-beta peptide, particularly
the 42-amino-acid peptide (Abeta(1-42)), is a principal component of
senile plaques and is thought to be central to the pathogenesis of the
disease. The AD brain is under significant oxidative stress, and
Abeta(1-42) peptide is known to cause oxidative stress in vitro and in
vivo. Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR) is an endogenous mitochondrial
membrane compound that helps to maintain mitochondrial bioenergetics
and lowers the increased oxidative stress associated with aging.
Glutathione (GSH) is an important endogenous antioxidant, and its
levels have been shown to decrease with aging. Administration of ALCAR
increases cellular levels of GSH in rat astrocytes. In the current
study, we investigated whether ALCAR plays a protective role in
cortical neuronal cells against Abeta(1-42)-mediated oxidative stress
and neurotoxicity. Decreased cell survival in neuronal cultures treated
with Abeta(1-42) correlated with an increase in protein oxidation
(protein carbonyl, 3-nitrotyrosine) and lipid peroxidation
(4-hydroxy-2-nonenal) formation. Pretreatment of primary cortical
neuronal cultures with ALCAR significantly attenuated
Abeta(1-42)-induced cytotoxicity, protein oxidation, lipid
peroxidation, and apoptosis in a dose-dependent manner. Addition of
ALCAR to neurons also led to an elevated cellular GSH and heat shock
proteins (HSPs) levels compared with untreated control cells. Our
results suggest that ALCAR exerts protective effects against
Abeta(1-42) toxicity and oxidative stress in part by up-regulating the
levels of GSH and HSPs. This evidence supports the pharmacological
potential of acetyl carnitine in the management of Abeta(1-42)-induced
oxidative stress and neurotoxicity. Therefore, ALCAR may be useful as a
possible therapeutic strategy for patients with AD.

PMID: 16634066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Another study showed that High Gamma Vitamin E and folate synergize
with ALCAR in protecting against Abeta.

====================

After this, I would add a sustained-release B vitamin complex to be
taken every twelve hours.  Wal-Mart sells a cheap sustained release B
vitamin complex under the brand name of "Spring Valley" as B-50 or
B-100.

These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of
help for Alzheimer's patients...  there are many more.
June - 08 Oct 2006 02:23 GMT
Thanks for the info.   I've been taking the Alpha Lipoic Acid for about a
year now.   I was taking it to improve my sense of taste and it worked for
awhile.   I'll try the  R(+) kind.   I might have to mortgage the house tho.
As for the Acetyl L-Carnitine  -- I've taken it for quite awhile as well.
It's like magic for energy.   I used to sell supplements many years ago and
at that time you could call anything natural even if it were up to 90%
synthetic.   I look for 100% natural when I buy vitamins and supplements.
Lot more effective and expensive.   I take the CoQ10 and a good multivitamin
as well and the B12 500mcg ( the kind you put under your tongue).   I've
taken natural vitamin E since 1980 for foot cramps and it works!  I have my
favorite brands because some of the cheaper ones don't work and  I'll get
foot cramps at night.   At least I don't have doctor bills although I do
have vitamin bills........June

>> I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me
>> if
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> These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of
> help for Alzheimer's patients...  there are many more.
RK - 08 Oct 2006 10:05 GMT
Thanks a lot for the info! I'll read it carfully a couple of more times.

> Thanks for the info.   I've been taking the Alpha Lipoic Acid for about a
> year now.   I was taking it to improve my sense of taste and it worked for
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>> These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of
>> help for Alzheimer's patients...  there are many more.
Tumbleweed - 08 Oct 2006 10:30 GMT
>>> These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of
>>> help for Alzheimer's patients...  there are many more.

I amazed anyone has Alzheimer's, or indeed any ailments at all, with all
these 'natural' cures around!  Whatever the illness or condition, there must
be 50 'natural' treatments for it.

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June - 08 Oct 2006 17:28 GMT
I guess we'll never how many  people have proactively taken supplements and
still gotten Alz.   I know my mother wouldn't take vitamins because she read
somewhere that you get all you need from the food you eat.   That may have
been true before modern fertilizers.  There was no convincing her otherwise.
I gave her l-lysine back in the 80's for her shingles when there wasn't
anything else and it helped her a lot but she said she would have gotten
over them anyway.   She did get the vitamin E for foot cramps but would
never admit it.  ( I found a bottle in her kitchen )
I remember my ex father-in-law who was a pig farmer and retired in the late
60's.   OK  we're in Indiana so bear with me on this story......Anyway  he
tried to get the local feed store to put biotin in the hog feed because the
hogs were in confinement houses.   Very small spaces.   The biotin helped
keep them more calm.  He had a terrible time back then getting them to put
it in.   Of course now days all hog feed has biotin in it for that very
reason.   He was well ahead of his time and always believed in natural
remedies.  Unfortunately since he was a farmer he got emphysema from all the
dust and it eventually did him in,  he lived well into his 80's.
I'll rather take my chances with good genes but since that's not panning
out, I'll take the supplements.   Besides I do feel better when I take them.
Meanwhile my daughter has decided I need to keep my mind busy by learning
html (for designing your own website).   She brought over a bunch of
computer programs and 3 large text books.  I'm to teach myself.   I only
casually mentioned that I might be interested.  I'll be sure to do this
between taking care of my grandson and mother.   Also there's that afghan I
started last month.......June

> I amazed anyone has Alzheimer's, or indeed any ailments at all, with all
> these 'natural' cures around!  Whatever the illness or condition, there
> must be 50 'natural' treatments for it.
RArmant - 08 Oct 2006 20:06 GMT
>I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me if
>there's something on the way?

UCLA researchers have done good studies on curcumin and
DHA.
http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/diet.html

For those with Alzheimer's I would recommend going with
fish oil supplements that have a high dha to epa ratio such as
Jarrow's max dha, and Carlson's super dha.

Jarrow Formulas, Max DHA:
http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=JRW-16018

Carlson Super DHA:
http://www.vitaminlife.com/product-exec/PNAME/Super_DHA_500mg_EPA_200mg/product_
id/16033

 
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