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RK - 04 Oct 2006 16:26 GMT I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me if there's something on the way?
Easter Stephens - 04 Oct 2006 16:32 GMT Lets Hope so....I'm ready for it...
Tumbleweed - 05 Oct 2006 12:04 GMT > I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me > if there's something on the way? there are always lots and lots of trials and 'promising results' but nothing like a 'cure' is on the horizon, either in pill or vaccine form (though if you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a vaccine that had some limited effect in trials in one study)
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June - 05 Oct 2006 13:17 GMT Hey I meet 3 out of the 4 criteria.
Squeak! Squeak! Opps I better be careful , I have 2 cats.......June
>> I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me >> if there's something on the way? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (though if you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, > there is a vaccine that had some limited effect in trials in one study) Easter Stephens - 06 Oct 2006 21:53 GMT The artical that I read said that the....Diabetes medecine preserves the brain from Alzheimers and the Avandia will clean the crud left there from the alzheimers...I suppose I've told you a dozen times...it hasn't cleaned my brain yet...I'm waiting...Or I think I am....
Tumbleweed - 07 Oct 2006 07:44 GMT > The artical that I read said that the....Diabetes medecine preserves the > brain from Alzheimers and the Avandia will clean the crud left there > from the alzheimers...I suppose I've told you a dozen times...it hasn't > cleaned my brain yet...I'm waiting...Or I think I am.... I think you'll find the article said that it **might** do that, in some circumstances (such as in a mouse). It may also only work for some people (the trial result I read for Avandia said that it had some measurable effect (but NOT a cure) but only on those people who lacked a certain gene.
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rs1000b@yahoo.com - 08 Oct 2006 01:27 GMT > The artical that I read said that the....Diabetes medecine preserves the > brain from Alzheimers and the Avandia will clean the crud left there > from the alzheimers...I suppose I've told you a dozen times...it hasn't > cleaned my brain yet...I'm waiting...Or I think I am.... R(+) Alpha-lipoic acid has been shown to do this in vitro, and a published human trial showed that lipoic acid stabilized cognitive function in demented patients with Alzheimer's. I talk about this in another posting to this thread and what kind of lipoic acid to buy.
There are a number of substances that have been shown in preliminary studies to potentially break down already formed abea and inhibit new formation.
Most recently, Uncaria rhynchophylla extract just last month:
J Neurosci Res. 2006 Aug 1;84(2):427-33. Links
Uncaria rhynchophylla, a Chinese medicinal herb, has potent antiaggregation effects on Alzheimer's beta-amyloid proteins.
Fujiwara H, Iwasaki K, Furukawa K, Seki T, He M, Maruyama M, Tomita N, Kudo Y, Higuchi M, Saido TC, Maeda S, Takashima A, Hara M, Ohizumi Y, Arai H.
Department of Geriatric and Complementary Medicine, Center for Asian Traditional Medicine Research, Tohoku University School of Medicine, Sendai, Japan.
Because the deposition of beta-amyloid protein (Abeta) is a consistent pathological hallmark of Alzheimer's disease (AD) brains, inhibition of Abeta generation, prevention of Abeta fibril formation, or destabilization of preformed Abeta fibrils would be attractive therapeutic strategies for the treatment of AD. We examined the effects of several medicinal herbs used in traditional Chinese medical formulae on the formation and destabilization of Abeta fibrils by using the thioflavin T binding assay, atomic force microscopic imaging, and electrophoresis. Our study demonstrates that several of these herbs have potent inhibitory effects on fibril formation of both Abeta(1-40) and Abeta(1-42) in concentration-dependent manners; in particular, Uncaria rhynchophylla inhibited Abeta aggregation most intensively. Significant destabilization of preformed Abeta(1-40) and Abeta(1-42) fibrils was also induced by Uncaria rhynchophylla as well as some other herb extracts. Three-dimensional HPLC analysis indicated that the water extract of this herb contains several different chemical compounds, including oxindole and indol alkaloids, which have been regarded as neuroprotective. Our results suggest that Uncaria rhynchophylla has remarkably inhibitory effects on the regulation of Abeta fibrils, and we conclude that this medicinal herb could have the potency to be a novel therapeutic agent to prevent and/or cure AD.
PMID: 16676329 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Some others that have shown ability to destabilize already formed abeta include high dose curcumin extract (needs to be taken with piperine to be absorbed well).
See: "Curcumin has potent anti-amyloidogenic effects for Alzheimer's beta-amyloid fibrils in vitro." Ono K, Hasegawa K, Naiki H, Yamada M. Department of Neurology and Neurobiology of Aging, Kanazawa University Graduate School of Medical Science, Kanazawa, Japan. PMID: 14994335
Examples of some others that have shown this potential ability:
1) High dose CoQ10. 2) tannic acid. (think tannin-rich wines) 3) fruit polyphenols and other polyphenols (drink lots of pomegranate juice, eat high quality dark chocolate, take bilberry extract). 4) nicotine as well, apparently.
Alan Meyer - 13 Oct 2006 17:49 GMT > ... > R(+) Alpha-lipoic acid has been shown to do this in vitro, and a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Most recently, Uncaria rhynchophylla extract just last month: > ... These are intriguing studies, however my sense is that we're still not getting at the underlying causes of the disease through these kinds of treatments.
As I understand it, the diabetes theory of Alzheimer's is that the brain is no longer able to efficiently metabolize glucose - which is the nutrient from which the brain gets its energy to keep the neurons alive. The brain compensates for this by directing its metabolic energy into the core activities that keep us alive - breathing, heart beat regulation, that sort of thing. It does this by withdrawing energy resources from the less important (for staying alive) activities of thinking.
Again, if I understand the theory correctly, the formation of beta-amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles, the immediate causes of nerve cell damage in Alzheimer's diseased brains, are a secondary effect of lack of available energy in the cells.
Chemicals that inhibit the formation of beta-amyloid plaques might be helpful in slowing down the damage process, but wouldn't be able to halt it. By analogy, imagine a leg that's not getting enough blood, for example due to diabetes. The leg gets cold and gets infections. You can warm it up, and you can inject antibiotics into it. Those will reduce the immediate complications caused by the problem, but won't arrest the damage. Eventually, the leg dies.
I'm just speculating on all of this. No one knows for sure if the diabetic theory is right. No one knows if anything I've said above is right. And I hate to throw cold water on any research that shows any promise of any kind of help in Alzheimer's Disease.
I just want everyone to guard their optimism. The problem is very difficult. Our understanding of the underlying molecular biology is very, very incomplete. Lots of very basic research is going to be required before we find the true cure.
Alan
Easter Stephens - 19 Oct 2006 16:29 GMT They are giving Avandia for Diabetes now....And I heard not long ago that it might cure it....wouldn't that be nice...
ladylove77 - 19 Oct 2006 20:05 GMT Easter, that would really be wonderful for lots of people. Gwen They are giving Avandia for Diabetes now....And I heard not long ago that it might cure it....wouldn't that be nice...
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Alan Meyer - 05 Oct 2006 20:22 GMT > ... (though if > you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a > vaccine that had some limited effect in trials in one study) I've tried that TW and it really works.
I can run the maze 15% faster now, and I've been able to get the cheese more often without getting my fingers smashed.
However relations with the neighborhood cats have deteriorated to the point where I can't leave the house any more.
Alan
Evelyn Ruut - 05 Oct 2006 20:50 GMT >> ... (though if >> you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Alan LOL!
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Tumbleweed - 05 Oct 2006 21:05 GMT >> ... (though if >> you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Alan ROFL...and watch out for the farmers wife.
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ladylove77 - 05 Oct 2006 22:54 GMT LOL. Gwen
>> ... (though if >> you eat cheese, squeak, are white, small and have a long tail, there is a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Alan rs1000b@yahoo.com - 08 Oct 2006 00:18 GMT > I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me if > there's something on the way? At the current time, some of the most promising compounds for Alzheimer's are actually natural substances that cannot be patented by pharmaceutical companies. Thus, you won't see doctors prescribing them.
Here are a couple examples of two of the most important natural substances:
One of particular importance is something called sominone found naturally in Ashwagandha extract (withania somnifera). Administration of this extract of Ashwagandha in a mouse model of Alzheimer's was shown to do the following in published, peer-reviewed study:
1) Prevents loss of axons, dendrites, and synapses (protects brain cells from Abeta) 2) Significantly improved and reversed memory deficits 3) Actually induced axonal and dendritic regeneration and synaptic reconstruction significantly in rat cortical neurons damaged by Abeta. (It somehow caused Abeta damaged neural networks to undergo reconstruction and caused new neuronal growth. No pharmaceutical even comes close to what this compound has been shown to do in rodents.)
4) Among other things, other studies show that it: a) Acts as a acetylcholinesterase inhibitor b) may improve cognition even in healthy people c) has antioxidant properties and upregulates the brain's own antioxidant enzymes
Ashwagandha extract has a long history of use as a nutritional supplement and has been tested in humans in published trials. It has no known side effects at typical dosages. ======================
A second natural compound I'd like to mention is Alpha-lipoic acid, specifically "R(+)" Alpha-lipoic acid, often abbreviated as R(+)-ALA, or R-ALA. It is a very potent antioxidant that is produced in minute quantities naturally in the human body, and also has been demonstrated to have a quite a number of other positive effects on the biochemical inner-workings of cells. Lipoic acid has been used by German doctors for diabetes patients for decades, and is known to be safe. Like Ashwagandha extract, it is not a pharmaceutical drug, but rather a popular nutritional supplement.
A new published details how R-ALA may be beneficial for Alzheimer's patients:
See: Lipoic acid as a novel treatment for Alzheimer's disease and related dementias, Holmquist L, Stuchbury G, Berbaum K, Muscat S, Young S, Hager K, Engel J, Munch G. Pharmacol Ther. 2006 Sep 19
In fact, a dirty form of lipoic acid (by dirty, I mean a very poor formulation compared to the R(+)) was already tested in human trials in Alzheirmer's patients and found to stabilize cognitive function. Read this following abstract from the trial conducted in Germany:
Arch Gerontol Geriatr. 2001 Jun;32(3):275-282.
Alpha-lipoic acid as a new treatment option for Azheimer type dementia.Hager K, Marahrens A, Kenklies M, Riederer P, Munch G.
Department of Medical Rehabilitation and Geriatrics, Henriettenstiftung, Schwemannstrasse 19, D-30559, Hannover, Germany
Oxidative stress and energy depletion are characteristic biochemical hallmarks of Alzheimer's disease (AD), thus antioxidants with positive effects on glucose metabolism such as thioctic (alpha-lipoic) acid should exert positive effects in these patients. Therefore, 600 mg alpha-lipoic acid was given daily to nine patients with AD and related dementias (receiving a standard treatment with acetylcholinesterase inhibitors) in an open study over an observation period of, on avarage, 337+/-80 days. The treatment led to a stabilization of cognitive functions in the study group, demonstrated by constant scores in two neuropsychological tests (mini-mental state examination: MMSE and AD assessment scale, cognitive subscale: ADAScog). Despite the fact that this study was small and not randomized, this is the first indication that treatment with alpha-lipoic acid might be a successful 'neuroprotective' therapy option for AD and related dementias.
PMID: 11395173 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] ==
Until very recently there were problems with commercially available lipoic acid that may have prevented it from being very effective. One of the problems is that it was only available as the dirty "racemic" DL-form rather than the R(+) form. Another problem is that it has a very short half-life in plasma of less than 25 minutes. Both of these problems have been solved by chemists from a couple different companies: Geronova (geronova.com), and Advanced Orthomelcular Research(AOR) of Canada (www.aor.ca). They have produced stable sustained-release formulations of the R(+) form of lipoic acid which has been shown to be effective in scientific studies. These are available for purchase online. (The type of Alpha lipoic acid you'll find on the shelf at Wal-Mart or your local supplement shop is not the right kind to buy.)
With regard to Ashwagandha extract, a decent **4.5%** extract can be found at many supplement shops under the brand name of "NOW".
Although I can't give definitive dosages, my recommendation for brands would be:
For R(+)lipoic acid: Product name: R (+) SR (150mg caps). Manufacturer: AOR (website http://www.aor.ca) (this is a stabilized, sustained release form of the pure R(+) form I talked about) I don't know if they sell this directly. You might have to search for an online merchant that carries this product. Biotin (a form of B-vitamin) should be taken daily if lipoic acid is taken. Biotin is very inexpensive.
For Ashwaganha extract: Product name: Ashwagandha 4.5% Extract Brand name: "NOW" Can be found at many decent supplement shops
Dosing for these would be every eight hours. Perhaps two caps of the 4.5% ashwagandha every eight hours.
Maybe 600 or 750mg total daily of the R(+) SR, in three divided daily dosages (every eight hours).
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Why should I stop here, I guess. Another compound is Acetyl-l-carnitine. This is often abbreviated as "ALCAR." This is another popular nutritional supplement that cannot be patented. Evidence suggests that it helps to protect against Abeta toxicity. Dosage would be something like 1000mg every twelve hours. This is available at your local supplement shop and probably Wal-Mart too, your choice of brand. It is acidic with a bad taste, so I recommend capsules rather than purchasing just the powder. Acetyl-l-carnitine synergizes with R(+)-ALA.
Here's some study results with ALCAR:
J Neurosci Res. 2006 Aug 1;84(2):398-408. Acetyl-L-carnitine-induced up-regulation of heat shock proteins protects cortical neurons against amyloid-beta peptide 1-42-mediated oxidative stress and neurotoxicity: implications for Alzheimer's disease.
Abdul HM, Calabrese V, Calvani M, Butterfield DA. Department of Chemistry, Center for Membrane Sciences, University of Kentucky, Lexington, 40506, USA.
Alzheimer's disease (AD) is a progressive neurodegenerative disorder characterized by loss of memory and cognition and by senile plaques and neurofibrillary tangles in brain. Amyloid-beta peptide, particularly the 42-amino-acid peptide (Abeta(1-42)), is a principal component of senile plaques and is thought to be central to the pathogenesis of the disease. The AD brain is under significant oxidative stress, and Abeta(1-42) peptide is known to cause oxidative stress in vitro and in vivo. Acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR) is an endogenous mitochondrial membrane compound that helps to maintain mitochondrial bioenergetics and lowers the increased oxidative stress associated with aging. Glutathione (GSH) is an important endogenous antioxidant, and its levels have been shown to decrease with aging. Administration of ALCAR increases cellular levels of GSH in rat astrocytes. In the current study, we investigated whether ALCAR plays a protective role in cortical neuronal cells against Abeta(1-42)-mediated oxidative stress and neurotoxicity. Decreased cell survival in neuronal cultures treated with Abeta(1-42) correlated with an increase in protein oxidation (protein carbonyl, 3-nitrotyrosine) and lipid peroxidation (4-hydroxy-2-nonenal) formation. Pretreatment of primary cortical neuronal cultures with ALCAR significantly attenuated Abeta(1-42)-induced cytotoxicity, protein oxidation, lipid peroxidation, and apoptosis in a dose-dependent manner. Addition of ALCAR to neurons also led to an elevated cellular GSH and heat shock proteins (HSPs) levels compared with untreated control cells. Our results suggest that ALCAR exerts protective effects against Abeta(1-42) toxicity and oxidative stress in part by up-regulating the levels of GSH and HSPs. This evidence supports the pharmacological potential of acetyl carnitine in the management of Abeta(1-42)-induced oxidative stress and neurotoxicity. Therefore, ALCAR may be useful as a possible therapeutic strategy for patients with AD.
PMID: 16634066 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Another study showed that High Gamma Vitamin E and folate synergize with ALCAR in protecting against Abeta.
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After this, I would add a sustained-release B vitamin complex to be taken every twelve hours. Wal-Mart sells a cheap sustained release B vitamin complex under the brand name of "Spring Valley" as B-50 or B-100.
These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of help for Alzheimer's patients... there are many more.
June - 08 Oct 2006 02:23 GMT Thanks for the info. I've been taking the Alpha Lipoic Acid for about a year now. I was taking it to improve my sense of taste and it worked for awhile. I'll try the R(+) kind. I might have to mortgage the house tho. As for the Acetyl L-Carnitine -- I've taken it for quite awhile as well. It's like magic for energy. I used to sell supplements many years ago and at that time you could call anything natural even if it were up to 90% synthetic. I look for 100% natural when I buy vitamins and supplements. Lot more effective and expensive. I take the CoQ10 and a good multivitamin as well and the B12 500mcg ( the kind you put under your tongue). I've taken natural vitamin E since 1980 for foot cramps and it works! I have my favorite brands because some of the cheaper ones don't work and I'll get foot cramps at night. At least I don't have doctor bills although I do have vitamin bills........June
>> I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me >> if [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] > These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of > help for Alzheimer's patients... there are many more. RK - 08 Oct 2006 10:05 GMT Thanks a lot for the info! I'll read it carfully a couple of more times.
> Thanks for the info. I've been taking the Alpha Lipoic Acid for about a > year now. I was taking it to improve my sense of taste and it worked for [quoted text clipped - 207 lines] >> These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of >> help for Alzheimer's patients... there are many more. Tumbleweed - 08 Oct 2006 10:30 GMT >>> These are just a few natural products that have real potential to be of >>> help for Alzheimer's patients... there are many more. I amazed anyone has Alzheimer's, or indeed any ailments at all, with all these 'natural' cures around! Whatever the illness or condition, there must be 50 'natural' treatments for it.
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June - 08 Oct 2006 17:28 GMT I guess we'll never how many people have proactively taken supplements and still gotten Alz. I know my mother wouldn't take vitamins because she read somewhere that you get all you need from the food you eat. That may have been true before modern fertilizers. There was no convincing her otherwise. I gave her l-lysine back in the 80's for her shingles when there wasn't anything else and it helped her a lot but she said she would have gotten over them anyway. She did get the vitamin E for foot cramps but would never admit it. ( I found a bottle in her kitchen ) I remember my ex father-in-law who was a pig farmer and retired in the late 60's. OK we're in Indiana so bear with me on this story......Anyway he tried to get the local feed store to put biotin in the hog feed because the hogs were in confinement houses. Very small spaces. The biotin helped keep them more calm. He had a terrible time back then getting them to put it in. Of course now days all hog feed has biotin in it for that very reason. He was well ahead of his time and always believed in natural remedies. Unfortunately since he was a farmer he got emphysema from all the dust and it eventually did him in, he lived well into his 80's. I'll rather take my chances with good genes but since that's not panning out, I'll take the supplements. Besides I do feel better when I take them. Meanwhile my daughter has decided I need to keep my mind busy by learning html (for designing your own website). She brought over a bunch of computer programs and 3 large text books. I'm to teach myself. I only casually mentioned that I might be interested. I'll be sure to do this between taking care of my grandson and mother. Also there's that afghan I started last month.......June
> I amazed anyone has Alzheimer's, or indeed any ailments at all, with all > these 'natural' cures around! Whatever the illness or condition, there > must be 50 'natural' treatments for it. RArmant - 08 Oct 2006 20:06 GMT >I've heard rumours about a promising pill and vaccine, can anyone tell me if >there's something on the way? UCLA researchers have done good studies on curcumin and DHA. http://alzheimer.neurology.ucla.edu/diet.html
For those with Alzheimer's I would recommend going with fish oil supplements that have a high dha to epa ratio such as Jarrow's max dha, and Carlson's super dha.
Jarrow Formulas, Max DHA: http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=JRW-16018
Carlson Super DHA: http://www.vitaminlife.com/product-exec/PNAME/Super_DHA_500mg_EPA_200mg/product_ id/16033
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