Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / September 2006
granddad update..again
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Jules - 08 Sep 2006 11:48 GMT Thanks for the messages, i was in no fit state to reply last night due to alcohol, but i didnt open the vodka....that would have done no good. I just drank with my friend on out night out
I collected my friend, we ate, got ready and i took him into the city...we talked, drank and danced...very badly.
I am making some calls later, so i hope to have some news on what i can do legaly.
At the moment i am keeping away from my granddads home, he went mad and swore about his son, when i told him that my father would not tell me which home he had been put in after leaving the hospital a couple of months ago now maybe. My granddad thanked me for a nice few hours out the other day, he said it was great to get out of the building....first time
Even the manager of the home said it was good to take my granddad out, let him and dog have fun.....now thats gone, the anger in me is building up as i write this...so i must stop
i have some pics up from last night www.julianhales.co.uk
Chuck Whealton - 09 Sep 2006 12:04 GMT > Thanks for the messages, i was in no fit state to reply last night due to > alcohol, but i didnt open the vodka....that would have done no good. I just [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > i have some pics up from last night > www.julianhales.co.uk Great pics, Jules. Just stay calm and see what type of legal advice you can get. Let us know...
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Jules - 09 Sep 2006 20:47 GMT > > Thanks for the messages, i was in no fit state to reply last night due to > > alcohol, but i didnt open the vodka....that would have done no good. I just [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Charles R. Whealton > Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com Chuck, it is now going to be a case of seeing a lawyer....i had a call today, from my real father, he wanted to meet, about my granddad, we met outside a pub, he was with his wife, withing 5 minutes she was swearing and getting nasty, she tried to throew her drink over me, it missed, they told me when i am in Germany they are to move my grandfather and not tell me where it is....i thought things were to be ok, but now i cant see it getting any lower, this afternoon and now is a nightmare for me.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 09 Sep 2006 20:58 GMT Jules, I know there is bad blood between you and your biological dad, but what exactly is the root of the current conflict? Control of finances? Control of personal care decisions? I mean, when you met at the bar, why did it degenerate into an ugly scene posthaste? Other than routine insults based on past resentments, what is so volatile - disagreements about his care? Disposal of assets?
I don't get why your dad would care if you visit your grandfather or not - what's it to him, unless he thinks you are a danger, which you clearly, cleary are not in any way. Is he jealous of the relationship? Thinking you will talk your grandfather into something? What?
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Jules - 10 Sep 2006 01:12 GMT > Jules, I know there is bad blood between you and your biological dad, > but what exactly is the root of the current conflict? Control of > finances? Control of personal care decisions? I mean, when you met at > the bar, why did it degenerate into an ugly scene posthaste? Other than > routine insults based on past resentments, what is so volatile - > disagreements about his care? Disposal of assets? Since my parents divorce when i was 2, and my grandparents had legal custody of me from 13 until i was 16 he has never been there, my mother and him used to fight, with me in the middle as a child....when i my father many years ago, it was my grandfather who taught me to count, fish, fix cars, make things....the things he should have done, he didnt like that. It was daft things as a did as a late teenager, like getting stuck on a African island, where he was willing to leave me there, yet it was my grandparents who got me a flight home, and collected me at the airport with sandwiches and a flask of tea.
> I don't get why your dad would care if you visit your grandfather or > not - what's it to him, unless he thinks you are a danger, which you > clearly, cleary are not in any way. Is he jealous of the relationship? > Thinking you will talk your grandfather into something? What? Ealier they said there was no point taking my grandfather out, as after 5 minutes he cant remember wheres he been, i said he talked to people he had not seem for years and hugged me for a wonderful day out, ok he forgot after but thats not the point, the home said it was good for me to take him out....
I acutally told my grandfather 2 months ago, a week after they put him in the home, that i had to track which home it was...as my father refused to tell me, he called his own son a bastard for that. yeah i had a bad childhood, and made my grandparents life i guess a nightmare when i was a teenager, more than a normal teenager i guess, but i tried to make up for it later on while my nan was alive. When my father stripped my granddads house a few weeks ago, he threw away all of my things i kept in my old bedroom, ok i can live with that, but he threw away a large certifiate i was awarded when i was 22?? for catching a violent mugger so was awarded a bravery cert from the judge and courts, my nan had it framed and put in her living room, she said she was proud of me, for sorting myself out, from earlier in my life making a mess of things, she and my my grandfather always stood by me, when neither of my parents did.
Today his wife said to me (which i already knew) they had his money, house, sold everything and it was them who ruled my grandfathers welfare. I have no right to visit him....so legal advice is now urgent. they told me to f*ck off to Germany and not come back
I never really missed having a mom and father around, ok i did...but i had the best grandparents in the world, some people do not have that...so i was really lucky
I cant really put any more, its just getting me down.
> Mary G. Chuck Whealton - 10 Sep 2006 12:24 GMT > I cant really put any more, its just getting me down. Jules, don't let it get you down, just try your best to do something about it. But don't let it ruin you. If you try to do something about it, you'll have no regrets about your actions later in life. Believe me, that can mean a lot.
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Evelyn Ruut - 10 Sep 2006 12:45 GMT >> I cant really put any more, its just getting me down. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Charles R. Whealton > Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com Hi Chuck,
I should think that Jules has enough witnesses now, from the hospital where his grandad had hip surgery, and the home where his grandad now lives, that proving his devotion and love for his grandfather, and his right to see him, should be easy enough, but it is a very daunting thought to have to get an attorney and fight this kind of thing.
The very nature of family problems like this just totally drains one dry, emotionally. Trust me I know.
I advised Jules yesterday to test the situation himself and try and see his grandfather and see if the home actually enforces his father's ban or not. That should be the cue as to whether he actually needs to try and get a lawyer and to take this thing further or not.
I somehow think his father is just talking out of his 'nether regions,' and that he can't actually forbid anyone from visiting, as long as there are no rules broken, as long as there is no disturbance, or anything like that. If Julian is welcomed by his grandfather, I can't imagine the home actually forbidding his visits or listening to his father's edicts about who can or cannot see him. I say this because my mother in law was in a nursing home, and all you had to do was sign in, and sometimes you didn't even do that! They don't have the time or wherewithal to check lists of who can see whom!
He MAY be able to prevent Julian from taking him on a day trip, but not from visiting, I would think. But the only way to know it for sure is to try and make a visit and see if anything happens.
Julian, don't give up hope. Go and visit your grandfather today and see if all is well or not.
To everyone else.... I know what it is like to have a father who is a hateful irrational person. You don't have to actually DO anything wrong to inspire hatred from them. The hatred comes from within themselves, not from without.
Julian has had very little family love or support, other than from his grandparents. But bridges that have been burnt can be rebuilt over time, and sometimes even hateful people can turn around. Life is strange and you just never know how things will go later on. He has recently reconnected with some other relatives, and who knows.... that could lead to better things for him.
Julian, you know you have friends who believe in your good heart and good will for your grandfather. I am certainly one of them! Hang in there, don't get angry or irrational, it's the cool head that will win this battle!
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Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
Chuck Whealton - 11 Sep 2006 02:48 GMT > >> I cant really put any more, its just getting me down. > > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Evelyn > (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Evelyn:
Yea, you would certainly hope Jules has got enough support from those who have seen him in action, but 'ya know, every ONCE IN A WHILE, the not-so-nice (i.e. - Jules' Father in this case) get the upper-hand on us.
I'd hate to see this happen and if, by chance, it does, I just hope Jules' will remember that he did WHAT HE COULD and it's NOT his fault.
You are right though, most nursing homes only have you sing in. It's not like they have a guard there checking ID. At least not that I've seen.
As for the "mean factor", you're also right on all accounts. Sometimes it comes out of nowhere and if we're all lucky, sometimes those who are very mean will (I guess we could say) "see the light" make a 180 degee turn.
Anyway, take it easy Evelyn, and good luck to you, Jules. Let us know how it goes.
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ladylove77 - 11 Sep 2006 20:25 GMT I visited my mother, father and husband in a nursing home, and never even had to sign in at either one. I just walked in and went where I wanted to. Gwen
>> >> I cant really put any more, its just getting me down. >> > [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > Charles R. Whealton > Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com Tumbleweed - 11 Sep 2006 22:13 GMT >I visited my mother, father and husband in a nursing home, and never even >had to sign in at either one. I just walked in and went where I wanted to. > Gwen used to be the same at my dads but they are tightening up a lot now, signing in and out, etc. CYA I suspect, but they are doing it all the same.
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Evelyn Ruut - 11 Sep 2006 22:21 GMT >>I visited my mother, father and husband in a nursing home, and never even >>had to sign in at either one. I just walked in and went where I wanted [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > signing in and out, etc. CYA I suspect, but they are doing it all the > same. Haven't heard from Jules if he managed to get a visit without any hassle. I hope it is OK.
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Chuck Whealton - 10 Sep 2006 00:24 GMT > > > Thanks for the messages, i was in no fit state to reply last night due > to [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > where it is....i thought things were to be ok, but now i cant see it getting > any lower, this afternoon and now is a nightmare for me. Jules, I'm certainly sorry to hear this, but I have to echo the question of (I think it was) Mary. Why is this guy (your Father) so freaked out about you seeing your Grandfather?
The only thing I could think of is that it WOULD be an "asset issue". Do you believe this is what it is?
Either way, assets issue or not, your Grandfather deserves to have somebody who cares about him able to visit him whenever possible. I hope things work well with the lawyer.
Let us know...
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Adelle - 10 Sep 2006 01:39 GMT >> > > Thanks for the messages, i was in no fit state to reply last night >> > > due [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > somebody who cares about him able to visit him whenever possible. I > hope things work well with the lawyer. Conjecture only - I wonder if there is a will with Julian as the only beneficiary. Dad, pissed at being disinherited, is making sure he gets everything and not Julian, and is not even in a position to know when Granddad has passed, so he can't try to enforce the will.
Julian - if this is true and not just conjecture, you might want to skip this Germany trip and try to get an injunction to stop your Dad's actions. Even if this is not the case, he's certainly trying to pull something over on you. It might be some twisted emotional payback for your Granddad being a better Dad than he was. But your granddad deserves better than this.
Adelle
Bud - 11 Sep 2006 03:32 GMT I really hate to say this but maybe you should terminate all contact with your father in the future. If he wants to meet with you, decline. If he wants to talk to you, refuse. If you see your G-father, don't tell your 'father/mother'. Clue in the people where your G-father is staying about your difficulties but giving only the barest amount of information about your trouble with your Dad. IOW, don't let your 'parents' know if, when or where you see your G-father. What they don't know can't hurt you or your G-father. Good luck.
Bud
Evelyn Ruut - 11 Sep 2006 04:32 GMT >I really hate to say this but maybe you should terminate all contact with >your father in the future. If he wants to meet with you, decline. If he [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bud Good advice, Bud. I agree.
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