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Jules - 06 Sep 2006 16:47 GMT
You dont hear from me for ages....then 2 in days days LOL

I took him out for a couple of hours...we were going to see my other
granddad but he was ill, they had not seen each other for 20 years..anyway
we went to the house of my real mom, he had not seen her for maybe 5 but
recognised her...he had a happy 2 hours

I got him back to the home, told him i am taking out again on Sunday which
made him smile, and that on my trip i wanted to goto the Somme and why, he
liked that idea too.

He was happy to get out for a couple of hours, he thanked me and gave me
(and the dog a big kiss)

Well i have also found out more about the granddad who was a WW2 spitfire
pilot, got his full name and his brothers name, no DOB or address....so will
do some research.
Evelyn Ruut - 06 Sep 2006 19:03 GMT
> You dont hear from me for ages....then 2 in days days LOL
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> will
> do some research.

That is wonderful Jules.  Glad to hear that you had a good day with your
grandfather.

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Evelyn
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Chuck Whealton - 07 Sep 2006 02:32 GMT
> You dont hear from me for ages....then 2 in days days LOL
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> pilot, got his full name and his brothers name, no DOB or address....so will
> do some research.

Jules, this sounds great!  I'm glad you all had a great time!  Now I
don't know the entire history, but is this Grandfather your "step
Grandfather"?  I'm curious as to his relationship to your "real
Mother".

I'm hoping he'll be able to see her again as well as your other
Grandfather who was ill this time around.

He's lucky he's got you, Jules.  Keep up the great work!

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
Jules - 07 Sep 2006 18:05 GMT
> > You dont hear from me for ages....then 2 in days days LOL
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> Charles R. Whealton

> Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com

Chuck, very complicated my family

mom n dad divorce when i was 2....neither one wants me.  live with
grandparents (from fathers side)

no contact with either...last week i visit someone, and i found out my
mother lives next door...i didn tknow where she lived......turns out her
'real' father was a Spitfire pilot who left when she was a baby and her
mother got married so she didnt know nothing as a child.

I have just had some devestating news, i was called by my real father, not
to visit my grandfather again, or take him on trips....the old peoples home
has been intructed not to let me in.  At the moment im trying to find free
legal advice, but i leave for germany on Tue. I was due to take my
grandfather on another day out on Sunday, but not now

A few people here know how evil my real father is, dont want to go into the
details here.....he has never been there in my life and has always tried to
destroy it.

Im just glad in a few hours the brother of my german ex gets here when i
pick him up from the coach park and i know he has a huge bottle of vodka fo
rme
ladylove77 - 07 Sep 2006 19:16 GMT
Jules, I'm so sorry your father has made things so difficult for you, but
Vodka will not help you solve any problems.
Gwen

>> > You dont hear from me for ages....then 2 in days days LOL
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> rme
Adelle - 07 Sep 2006 19:57 GMT
>> > You dont hear from me for ages....then 2 in days days LOL
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> fo
> rme

Vodka isn't the answer.

I'm going to put on my lawyer hat on for a minute. Problem is - I've studied
American Law, which diverged from British law a couple hundred years ago.

This is an issue of whether it is appropriate for your grandfather's
guardian to interfere with your relationship with your Granddad. Since your
Grandfather was your guardian growing up, he stood as your parent.
Interference now between that parent/child bond is inappropriate, especially
when the interferer is the one who abandoned you in the first place. He
doesn't have what is called 'clean hands' under the law. He caused this
parent child relationship to be formed by abandoning his child to this other
man. To then come back and try to break that relationship is cruel and
'inequitable' under law.

But there is a legal technicality to the above argument - I don't know what
British courts have done regarding the 'clean hands doctrine.' US courts
only recognize it in very limited ways since about 1970.

There is also the straightforward issue - are your Father's actions harmful
to your grandfather's mental health and well being. And is that the standard
for removing someone as a guardian in Britain?

My guess is, that your Grandfather having raised you would give you what's
called 'standing,' that is makes you a person entitled to file suit in
regards to your grandfather's well being. You could file to become guardian
of your grandfather on the basis that you Dad's actions are harmful to your
grandfather's mental health and well being. Don't know if you'd win, because
it sounds as if your grandfather is still competent from your descriptions.
But if he has already been declared incompetent (I think you mentioned that
previously), you can then challenge your father as to who should be
guardian. The nursing home staff would need to testify as to your affect on
Granddad. It won't be an easy or fun time.

Some Barristers will take pro bono cases (will not charge a fee) - maybe a
friend of your grandfather, or someone who was a customer at your
grandparent's shop who would hate to see what this man's son has done to
him.

Another thing to tackle, and I'm sticking my neck out saying this - think
carefully if you really want to do this.

1 - It means dredging up and facing all your baggage regarding your father.
That is a very hard thing to do emotionally. But you chance coming out the
other side forged into someone less encumbered by the past.

2 - It means having to step up and be a responsible *adult* all the time,
because responsibility for your grandfather and his care will be an all the
time thing. If the court sees you as someone not capable of the
responsibility, they won't give it to you, even if they still take it away
from your Dad and make a third party, a stranger, the guardian.

3 - How will you feel if you give up this fight without trying to change
things?

I've listened to you for a while now. I like you. But you strike me as
someone teetering on that edge of adulthood, prolonging their adolescence
because of disability, depression and feeling like you are not a capable
person. Being willing to be responsible for your Granddad means becoming a
capable adult. It means showing the court you are a responsible person who
wants to care for and can take care of your grandfather; that you want to do
so out of respect, love and devotion, and not for any personal gain.

Your motivation is clearly loving and respectful. Are you ready for the rest
of it? And are you ready to live with yourself if you don't?

Adelle
Chuck Whealton - 08 Sep 2006 02:13 GMT
> > > You dont hear from me for ages....then 2 in days days LOL
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> pick him up from the coach park and i know he has a huge bottle of vodka fo
> rme

Jules:  I'm sorry to hear about your Father's handy work.  I came into
the group just as you mentioned something about him, but it's been a
while now.

See what you can do about the legal advice.  It sounds like Adelle made
some suggestions.  It could get ugly.  Hopefully in the end, you'll be
able to continue visiting your Grandfather.

Have fun in Germany!

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
 
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