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callalily - 31 Aug 2006 22:19 GMT
Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group.  I just found out
that my mother was diagnosed with AD.  I feel like I've been kicked in
the stomach.  I've barely recovered from the experience of caring for
my father who had a stroke and was on a respirator for a year before he
passed.  Honestly, I feel like killing myself.

I have 4 siblings and nobody really knows what to do from here.  Worse
than that, nobody really wants to extend themselves enough to do
anything more than the absolute minimum. (We all have serious problems
of our own.)

I am stressed out because my mother is panicky and leaves me "urgent"
messages all the time and does other things that distress me.  She is
terrified of being alone but she lives alone.  2 weeks ago after a
particularly difficult day with her I got a really bad headache.  It
was ultimately diagnosed as a migraine.

What really hurt me was that the neurologist who diagnosed her and gave
her some pills mistakenly included the pamphlet that was intended for
caregivers and which discussed Alzheimer's in detail.  We and the
doctor felt it was better she not know about the diagnosis but it is
too late now.  Since she read that pamphlet her mood has really
deteriorated and the only thing she cares about is anybody finding out
about it.  (I'm pretty sure she realized herself what was happening to
her and was trying to cope with that already.)

I love my mother and am wondering if she should still live alone in an
apartment. (She lives in an apt. complex which has a lot of services
for seniors.) She is in the early stages and has been given a drug
called razadyne.  She sounds perfectly normal most of the time (doc
said her verbal skills are very good) and she is in excellent physical
health. But she is losing things, getting a little disoriented and has
gotten lost recently a couple of times.

She has had several home attendants but she has fired them all.  Even
so my sister is trying to get another one for her, hoping this one will
"stick".

She has absolutely no money of her own, only social. sec and medicaid.
We are not in a position to help her financially.

The issue of assisted living came up but I believe those places don't
take medicaid.  I've heard of one place in the area that accepts it but
it is rather inconvenient for anybody to get out there.  (If there are
any NYers this means travelling from B'klyn/Manhattan to Kew Gardens,
Queens.)

It seems from the messages I read that a lot of people have gone the
whole distance and have either taken their loved ones into their homes
or or even sold their houses in order to move closer to them.  I
consider this heroic behavior but I can't emulate it, I can just admire
it from a distance.

I can't conceive of putting her in a nursing home.  Does anybody know
of any other options?

Thanks for listening.

Leah
Evelyn Ruut - 31 Aug 2006 23:28 GMT
> Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group.  I just found out
> that my mother was diagnosed with AD.  I feel like I've been kicked in
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> Leah

Dear Leah,

Yours is the kind of post that really strikes home.   All of us here have
been through this, and even though you think you can't do it, somehow you
find the strength, and do the next thing.

There is a lot of help out there for you, if you know where to look.   First
of all you should try and get yourself a copy of "The 36 Hour Day" which is
extremely helpful.

You and your siblings are going to have to try and find a way to pull
together and make some serious decisions at some point.   You all have an
interest in your mother's well being, now is the time to find a way to work
together and at least to choose one of you that can take some
responsibility.

Does your mother have a signed Power of Attorney?   Health care Proxy?
Will?  These things are important to deal with now, because you have no idea
how her illness will progress.   For some it is years and for others changes
can occur quickly.    It makes sense to have a plan of some kind in place in
case it does.

This newsgroup is a wonderful resource, and in my case, I have no idea how I
would have ever managed without it.   But you should also look into
alzheimer support groups locally.   You are not alone, there are people all
over who are dealing with the same issues you face.

There are lots of options other than placing your mother in a nursing home
right away.... in our case, we bought a bigger house, my husband retired
early, and we took my mother in law to live with us for several years until
her illness advanced to the degree that she needed professional nursing
care.   During the time she stayed with us we sent her to an adult daycare
center in the area and had backup people to granny-sit for us as well.

If none of these things is an option for your circumstances, there are
facilities that have graduated care ...such as starting the person out in an
assisted living facility, which later will transfer the person to another
wing which is a nursing home when they actually come to the place where they
need it.

If your mother is already receiving medicaid, a large part of the battle is
already won.   Does she have a caseworker of any kind?    Is there an
"Office for the Aging" in your county?   You need to get some help.
Contact the Alzheimers society too, in your area.   They may be a great
resource.

Believe me, you have my deepest sympathy, and I do know what you are going
through and what you are facing.    There are tough decisions ahead, but at
least you have a real diagnosis to work with.  Many people don't have even
that when they start trying to help a loved one who is showing signs of
forgetfulness or odd behavior.

Good luck to you....!   And don't underestimate your own strength.   You say
you love your mother..... that is the thing that will help you the most to
work with this situation.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')

Chuck Whealton - 01 Sep 2006 15:09 GMT
> Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group.  I just found out
> that my mother was diagnosed with AD.  I feel like I've been kicked in
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> Leah

Leah...  Everybody here can understand what you're going through.  But
let me come right out and say this first.  You said you feel like
"killing yourself".

DON'T DO IT.  DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

It's always makes it feel worse when you love that person so much and
you're seeing this happen.  All of a sudden, here's somebody you "kind
of" felt would always be there, and all of a sudden, the end is in
sight for them and you can't imagine what it would/will be like when
they're gone.  You wonder how it'll play out.

Evelyn gave you a bunch of great advice.

One of the things I found helped us (my Mother's dementia was probably
due to mini-strokes) is having my Mother move in with us.  It was a
load off our minds knowing she would at least be with us in the
evenings/nights.  We then spoke with a social worker who directed us to
a place that was privately run and was able to provide "companions"
during the day to do things with my Mother, feed her, take her to
appointments, etc., for a very reasonable price.  The lady who ran it
started it after her own husband died from Alzheimers.  When my Mother
began to suffer breathing problems and had to go to the hospital
(unrelated to the dementia), whenever she would wake up, her daytime
caregiver was there.  It made it much less frightening for her.

I don't know what we'd have ever done without that lady.  I've got no
idea.

I know it's sad, but this is one of those bad things that many of us
have no choice but to go through.  Just keep up the good work.  The
fact that you care means a lot.  Not everybody who suffers from
Alzheimers is so lucky to have a child like you.

Charles R. Whealton
Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
June - 01 Sep 2006 19:06 GMT
> Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group.  I just found out
> that my mother was diagnosed with AD.  I feel like I've been kicked in
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>
> Leah

Hi Leah....I'm sure this is so really overwhelming.  My mother is starting
her 14th year of dementia and is now in independent assisted living.   She
still has abilities that usually go by the wayside long before now.   Evelyn
gave you excellent advice.  These things have a way of working out.  Maybe
not the way you would like but you do what you have to do.  Lets see, I
think I've covered all the clichés but seriously we all know how difficult
this illness can be.  Take care of yourself first and then deal with your
mother.   Social services sounds like a good place to start.  One thing is
for sure--you're not alone.  BTW I googled assisted living and Medicaid in
New York and got the following link.   It looks like it might help
http://www.health.state.ny.us/health_care/medicaid/program/longterm/
Good luck....June
callalily - 01 Sep 2006 19:32 GMT
> > Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group.  I just found out
> > that my mother was diagnosed with AD.  I feel like I've been kicked in
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> http://www.health.state.ny.us/health_care/medicaid/program/longterm/
> Good luck....June

Thank you all for the encouraging words.  I feel so much better now so
I can think more clearly.  One thing -- people mentioned taking loved
ones with AD into their homes.  I live in a small apartment in the city
so this is not possible (nor would I have the nerves for it).  I will
check the New York website June submitted.  It sounds very useful.

I can't thank you all enough.

Leah
Tumbleweed - 01 Sep 2006 20:11 GMT
Thank you all for the encouraging words.  I feel so much better now so
I can think more clearly.  One thing -- people mentioned taking loved
ones with AD into their homes.  I live in a small apartment in the city
so this is not possible (nor would I have the nerves for it).

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I agree, and even if you did, first it would only be temporary, and
secondly, if its just one of you, that is much more problematic than two,
like Evelyn.

Good luck

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Dana Carpender - 01 Sep 2006 21:52 GMT
> Thank you all for the encouraging words.  I feel so much better now so
> I can think more clearly.  One thing -- people mentioned taking loved
> ones with AD into their homes.  I live in a small apartment in the city
> so this is not possible (nor would I have the nerves for it).  

Nor would I.  My mom went into care this summer, but before that, the
last few times I stayed with her, to give my brother and SIL a break
(they lived right around the corner from her,) I simply didn't sleep
pretty much the whole time I was there.  There's only so much of that a
body can take.

Dana
Evelyn Ruut - 01 Sep 2006 22:45 GMT
>> Thank you all for the encouraging words.  I feel so much better now so
>> I can think more clearly.  One thing -- people mentioned taking loved
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> Dana

Hey, Tell me about it!

I have to tell you that in my case, my mother in law and I never really got
along for all those years.   This was not any doing of mine, but she was
just such a witch (spelled with a 'b') that there was no possible getting
along with her!

But when she came here .........and we were originally just going to help
her get into a nursing home,...... and then I saw how pitiful she had
become, and I just felt so sorry for her.   She wasn't anything like the
meanie I always had known before.     She was just frightened and lost and
confused.........

When Peter brought her here, she smelled to high heaven.   I couldn't even
stand to be in the same room with her, and who knew when she'd last bathed?
There was an inch of dust in her one and only bathtub!   Peter forced her to
take a bath, and she groused about it like you wouldn't believe, but after
that, she was a scared little old lady sitting there in my nightgown (that I
lent her) on my sofa....and all I could do was feel compassion for her.

It was only then that I even vaguely considered taking her here with us,
even though we had moved here and bought this larger house with the idea
that possibly one of our parents might need care.

Once we had made the decision it all fell into place.   We put her into the
guest room, and started feeding her good food, I got her hair cut, her teeth
fixed, her hearing aid replaced, took her to our doctor, and we made it
work.

She wasn't always easy.  She wasn't suddenly a different person, but the
guard was down, and she began to see me with new eyes.   I helped her dress
every morning and evening.   I gave her baths.  I helped her with
everything.   We began to relate.... one woman to another.   She even told
me she loved me and we hugged each other.   Twenty years of nastiness got
healed up somehow.

It was the hardest thing I have ever done.   It was exhausting, it was
frustrating, it was horrible, it was confining.   We were both exhausted
beyond words.

It ended up being me who looked for her nursing home.   It was me who cared
about every little thing, that she had everything she needed.

And when she died, it was me who made sure she got exactly the funeral she
wanted, by her own Estonian minister, and that she was placed in her grave
with her sister and her husband.   It was me who told her story and who
wishes her peace wherever she is.

Look.... I don't blame ANYONE for not being able to do all this stuff.   If
you asked me, I would have told you that I couldn't have done it either, but
I don't regret that I did it.   For US it was right, but not for everyone.

But don't think that I or anyone here would DARE to suggest it is the only
way to go.   People sometimes are better off in a professional setting,
where you can come and visit and let professional people deal with the icky
stuff.    Sometimes it can save everyones dignity.

You and only you can know your individual family situation.   Ultimately you
do what is right for you.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')

Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 02 Sep 2006 00:01 GMT
Hi Leah,

I'm so sorry that your mother has been diagnosed with AD. It isn't
fair, and no one deserves this, not her, not you and your sibs. Its too
bad that the doctor accidentally gave her some information when you
didn't want her told - but many doctors would have taken the stance
that if she is still competent to understand the diagnosis, she should
be told. It is an ethical dilemna.

However, having said that, its reality, can't change any of it. So lets
talk about what is real, with no illusions.

She cannot live alone. She is probably not safe living on her own even
now. It is one of those paradoxes that people are always, always MUCH
more impaired cognitively than you can detect from social interactions
- and it is even worse for family since you are going to be thrown off
by your love for her, and want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
You will want to think she is better than she is. She is going to get
worse and worse, whether quickly and relentlessly or slowly and
steadily, or in fits and starts,  and will need supervision and support
24/7. If she is already getting lost, that means her ability to
recognize people, places and objects is already sliding - its not just
a memory issue. A home aide might help (if you can get her to stop
firing them....which might be helped by YOU hiring them so she can't
dismiss them, since she really isn't competent enough to have real
insight into her own limitations). However, an aide on a daily basis is
not going to protect her during the hours the aide is not there, when
she is left alone with appliances, medications, cleansers, utensils,
when she might go out of her apartment and get lost, or let strangers
into her home, or do something completely whacky (like my mother in law
unscrewing all the lightbulbs in her apartment because she couldn't
figure out how to turn the TV off). Her judgement and ability to reason
is impaired, as is her emotional control. If something goes wrong, like
a fire, a flood, a black out - will she know how to react appropriately
and safely?

Its depressing, but its not desperate. You will feel better when you
stop trying to wish this away and just deal with it - for me, anyway,
the worst part is always when I feel like a trapped animal because I
know what I have to do but I really don't want to do it, and am engaged
in wishing everything was different. That is the time you feel torn
apart. Once you stop pretending things away and make some decisions you
can act on, it may still be painful, but you won't be as tortured. You
will also feel MUCH better when you know she is safe and secure and you
don't have to worry so much about whether she is eating, bathing, etc.
etc.

Your options for her are very limited. Even if you get her an aide
she'll let stay, as I said, 8 hours a day isn't going to cut it, nor is
12. She needs someone around 24/7. So, any aide is a temporary stopgap
until you come up with another plan.

One of you can take her to live with you, and if that is not possible
at all (and its sounds like neither you nor your sibs are in
circumstances to do so, so don't waste any more angst on that one)  she
will need an assisted living facility. So that makes the way fairly
simple.

Between the four of you, get your skates on, call the local Alzheimer's
Association, seniors support agencies, geriatric clinics, social
workers, whatever the heck is in your area, and do your research on
what is available to a person with medicaid only, and no personal
assets, from assisted living, day care, specialized dementia care
facilitiies etc. etc.  You don't know what is out there until you
really scour the scene. Book a visit with an eldercare lawyer to
discuss the ins and outs of medicaid and what she might be eligible
for.

Once you know what is out there, pick the one that you think is best
(or the one that is the least objectionable, knowing you aren't going
to love any of the choices). Depending on what is out there, if the
choices are limited, convenient geography may not be a selection
criterion you can insist on. Get her name on the waiting lists (and if
it is desirable at all, there are usually waiting lists), and then plan
to move her when a spot comes up.

You absolutely must cultivate a pessimistic outlook when it comes to
planning for the care of anyone with progressive dementia in that you
have to plan for worst case, so you are ready for anything. Then if
things go slower, you can be pleasantly surprised and relieved. Being
too optimistic means delaying having solid plans in place, and then you
get plunged into crisis when there is unexpected deterioration. You
must make sure you have all the legal instruments in place to look
after her (powers of attorney for financial and medical decisions),
that her will is iin order, and that someone trusted has a detailed
knowledge of all her assets and where they are.

When we put my MIL's name on a waiting list for the first time, we
never dreamed that within the year she would absolutely need the
placement.

You can't imagine having to place your mother, but I doubt you also
never thought she'd get Alzheimer's, and its even harder to imagine
what will happen to her as a consequence of the disease.

Hang in, hang in, hang in. And go find out what the options are stat.
Even that action will make you feel better since it will help you to
get your head around what needs to happen next.

I am so, so, sorry you have to travel this road.

M.
Tumbleweed - 02 Sep 2006 07:33 GMT
Great advice below, I'd just like to add one thing for consideration.
Now it depends just how bad your mother is, but don't spend too much effort
trying to get her agreement to new arrangements, because two of the things
that apply to most Az patients is an inability to understand their pwn
predicament, and a fear of change.

Its quite likely, for example, that she absolutely will refuse to go into
care even when she is well past the stage of needing to be there for her own
safety. And on the same lines, if she is like most Az patients, there is no
point telling her in advance about changes, minor or major. For example,
doctors appointment, or moving into care or going to daycare. She'll stress
and worry and you'll have an argument, and then she'll forget all about it
anyway and you'll have to go through the stress a second time, even if she
agreed to something, perhaps going into a day care program. There will come
a time when you'll realise that asking her whether or not you should do
something is akin to asking toddlers advice about whether they should go to
nursery, or eat vegetables, etc.

Some people here call it loving deception, I dont mind calling it lying, but
you'll find you have to make up untruths to get her to do things. Don't feel
guilty about that.

None of the above is certain, maybe she'll want to see the doctors, take the
medicine, go to daycare, go into care, but chances are she wont want to do
some or all of these, and lying may be the only ay to make it happen.

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> Hi Leah,
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> M.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 02 Sep 2006 14:57 GMT
Tumbleweed has made some excellent points re: doing what needs doing
and not trying to get the person's agreement to whatever the plan is.

We certainly learned this with my MIL. She had very limited
understanding of her own problems - what was obvious to everyone around
her, she was oblivious to. She also couldn't remember much, so when
there was a frightening incident that told us that she was really not
competent to do something, she would argue she was fine - mostly
because she couldn't really remember what had happened, much less
fathom what the implications were. Her operating assumption was that
she was the way she'd always been.

Just to give you an example, early in the game she broke a hip (which
delayed her formal diagnosis with AD). She really went for a slide
during that period because of the anesthesia to repair the hip. She was
in a rehab facility for a few weeks where they emphasized self care -
so each patient was given their meds in a special locked box, and had
to track it on a chart with days of the week across the top, and the
times she was supposed to take the pills down one side. All she had to
do was put a tick in a box when she took the pill (Tuesday at 2, tick,
another pill at 6, tick) She couldn't do it. Just absolutely could not
understand the simple chart, no matter how many times it was explained
to her. She was livid with the staff - she felt insulted. She went on
and on about how she was perfectly capable of taking her pills, she
didn't need to fill out the sheet, they were being silly, mean, rude,
unreasonable etc. We were appalled, since it was apparent to us she
couldn't read a calendar or tell time properly let alone track events,
and really WASN'T able to administer her own meds.

Because she couldn't see her own deficits or "get" what they meant in
terms of her daily life and safety, you could argue with her until you
were blue, and it did nothing other than make her upset. Even if she
had a hint she had a problem (i.e. she had the odd very lucid day in
the early period) she couldn't freely admit it because it was too
distressing and humiliating.Their issues make for paranoia and wierd
explanations for disasters - they will cast about for a reason and come
up with any answer other than their mind is going (i.e. my son must
have taken all the money from my wallet, my neighbour stole my
jewellry, the government did something to the time so it was dark when
I thought it should be light etc. etc.)

So, you just do what has to be done for her well being and safety, and
you have to give up the idea that she needs to be informed of
everything that has to be arranged OR or give her permission (never
mind her enthused endorsement, which you will never get for the
majority of needed supports or changes). As Tumbleweed says, change is
terrifying for someone with AD, so of course, they will say no, no
matter what the plan. If you 'd asked my MIL what she wanted to see
happen, it would have been that she just continue as she'd always been
- and that, sadly, was the one thing that the AD had made completely
impossible.

M
 
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