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Mom just diagnosed - need help
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callalily - 31 Aug 2006 22:19 GMT Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group. I just found out that my mother was diagnosed with AD. I feel like I've been kicked in the stomach. I've barely recovered from the experience of caring for my father who had a stroke and was on a respirator for a year before he passed. Honestly, I feel like killing myself.
I have 4 siblings and nobody really knows what to do from here. Worse than that, nobody really wants to extend themselves enough to do anything more than the absolute minimum. (We all have serious problems of our own.)
I am stressed out because my mother is panicky and leaves me "urgent" messages all the time and does other things that distress me. She is terrified of being alone but she lives alone. 2 weeks ago after a particularly difficult day with her I got a really bad headache. It was ultimately diagnosed as a migraine.
What really hurt me was that the neurologist who diagnosed her and gave her some pills mistakenly included the pamphlet that was intended for caregivers and which discussed Alzheimer's in detail. We and the doctor felt it was better she not know about the diagnosis but it is too late now. Since she read that pamphlet her mood has really deteriorated and the only thing she cares about is anybody finding out about it. (I'm pretty sure she realized herself what was happening to her and was trying to cope with that already.)
I love my mother and am wondering if she should still live alone in an apartment. (She lives in an apt. complex which has a lot of services for seniors.) She is in the early stages and has been given a drug called razadyne. She sounds perfectly normal most of the time (doc said her verbal skills are very good) and she is in excellent physical health. But she is losing things, getting a little disoriented and has gotten lost recently a couple of times.
She has had several home attendants but she has fired them all. Even so my sister is trying to get another one for her, hoping this one will "stick".
She has absolutely no money of her own, only social. sec and medicaid. We are not in a position to help her financially.
The issue of assisted living came up but I believe those places don't take medicaid. I've heard of one place in the area that accepts it but it is rather inconvenient for anybody to get out there. (If there are any NYers this means travelling from B'klyn/Manhattan to Kew Gardens, Queens.)
It seems from the messages I read that a lot of people have gone the whole distance and have either taken their loved ones into their homes or or even sold their houses in order to move closer to them. I consider this heroic behavior but I can't emulate it, I can just admire it from a distance.
I can't conceive of putting her in a nursing home. Does anybody know of any other options?
Thanks for listening.
Leah
Evelyn Ruut - 31 Aug 2006 23:28 GMT > Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group. I just found out > that my mother was diagnosed with AD. I feel like I've been kicked in [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Leah Dear Leah,
Yours is the kind of post that really strikes home. All of us here have been through this, and even though you think you can't do it, somehow you find the strength, and do the next thing.
There is a lot of help out there for you, if you know where to look. First of all you should try and get yourself a copy of "The 36 Hour Day" which is extremely helpful.
You and your siblings are going to have to try and find a way to pull together and make some serious decisions at some point. You all have an interest in your mother's well being, now is the time to find a way to work together and at least to choose one of you that can take some responsibility.
Does your mother have a signed Power of Attorney? Health care Proxy? Will? These things are important to deal with now, because you have no idea how her illness will progress. For some it is years and for others changes can occur quickly. It makes sense to have a plan of some kind in place in case it does.
This newsgroup is a wonderful resource, and in my case, I have no idea how I would have ever managed without it. But you should also look into alzheimer support groups locally. You are not alone, there are people all over who are dealing with the same issues you face.
There are lots of options other than placing your mother in a nursing home right away.... in our case, we bought a bigger house, my husband retired early, and we took my mother in law to live with us for several years until her illness advanced to the degree that she needed professional nursing care. During the time she stayed with us we sent her to an adult daycare center in the area and had backup people to granny-sit for us as well.
If none of these things is an option for your circumstances, there are facilities that have graduated care ...such as starting the person out in an assisted living facility, which later will transfer the person to another wing which is a nursing home when they actually come to the place where they need it.
If your mother is already receiving medicaid, a large part of the battle is already won. Does she have a caseworker of any kind? Is there an "Office for the Aging" in your county? You need to get some help. Contact the Alzheimers society too, in your area. They may be a great resource.
Believe me, you have my deepest sympathy, and I do know what you are going through and what you are facing. There are tough decisions ahead, but at least you have a real diagnosis to work with. Many people don't have even that when they start trying to help a loved one who is showing signs of forgetfulness or odd behavior.
Good luck to you....! And don't underestimate your own strength. You say you love your mother..... that is the thing that will help you the most to work with this situation.
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Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
Chuck Whealton - 01 Sep 2006 15:09 GMT > Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group. I just found out > that my mother was diagnosed with AD. I feel like I've been kicked in [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Leah Leah... Everybody here can understand what you're going through. But let me come right out and say this first. You said you feel like "killing yourself".
DON'T DO IT. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.
It's always makes it feel worse when you love that person so much and you're seeing this happen. All of a sudden, here's somebody you "kind of" felt would always be there, and all of a sudden, the end is in sight for them and you can't imagine what it would/will be like when they're gone. You wonder how it'll play out.
Evelyn gave you a bunch of great advice.
One of the things I found helped us (my Mother's dementia was probably due to mini-strokes) is having my Mother move in with us. It was a load off our minds knowing she would at least be with us in the evenings/nights. We then spoke with a social worker who directed us to a place that was privately run and was able to provide "companions" during the day to do things with my Mother, feed her, take her to appointments, etc., for a very reasonable price. The lady who ran it started it after her own husband died from Alzheimers. When my Mother began to suffer breathing problems and had to go to the hospital (unrelated to the dementia), whenever she would wake up, her daytime caregiver was there. It made it much less frightening for her.
I don't know what we'd have ever done without that lady. I've got no idea.
I know it's sad, but this is one of those bad things that many of us have no choice but to go through. Just keep up the good work. The fact that you care means a lot. Not everybody who suffers from Alzheimers is so lucky to have a child like you.
Charles R. Whealton Charles Whealton @ pleasedontspam.com
June - 01 Sep 2006 19:06 GMT > Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group. I just found out > that my mother was diagnosed with AD. I feel like I've been kicked in [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Leah Hi Leah....I'm sure this is so really overwhelming. My mother is starting her 14th year of dementia and is now in independent assisted living. She still has abilities that usually go by the wayside long before now. Evelyn gave you excellent advice. These things have a way of working out. Maybe not the way you would like but you do what you have to do. Lets see, I think I've covered all the clichés but seriously we all know how difficult this illness can be. Take care of yourself first and then deal with your mother. Social services sounds like a good place to start. One thing is for sure--you're not alone. BTW I googled assisted living and Medicaid in New York and got the following link. It looks like it might help http://www.health.state.ny.us/health_care/medicaid/program/longterm/ Good luck....June
callalily - 01 Sep 2006 19:32 GMT > > Helly my name is Leah and I am new to this group. I just found out > > that my mother was diagnosed with AD. I feel like I've been kicked in [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > http://www.health.state.ny.us/health_care/medicaid/program/longterm/ > Good luck....June Thank you all for the encouraging words. I feel so much better now so I can think more clearly. One thing -- people mentioned taking loved ones with AD into their homes. I live in a small apartment in the city so this is not possible (nor would I have the nerves for it). I will check the New York website June submitted. It sounds very useful.
I can't thank you all enough.
Leah
Tumbleweed - 01 Sep 2006 20:11 GMT Thank you all for the encouraging words. I feel so much better now so I can think more clearly. One thing -- people mentioned taking loved ones with AD into their homes. I live in a small apartment in the city so this is not possible (nor would I have the nerves for it).
=========== I agree, and even if you did, first it would only be temporary, and secondly, if its just one of you, that is much more problematic than two, like Evelyn.
Good luck
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Dana Carpender - 01 Sep 2006 21:52 GMT > Thank you all for the encouraging words. I feel so much better now so > I can think more clearly. One thing -- people mentioned taking loved > ones with AD into their homes. I live in a small apartment in the city > so this is not possible (nor would I have the nerves for it). Nor would I. My mom went into care this summer, but before that, the last few times I stayed with her, to give my brother and SIL a break (they lived right around the corner from her,) I simply didn't sleep pretty much the whole time I was there. There's only so much of that a body can take.
Dana
Evelyn Ruut - 01 Sep 2006 22:45 GMT >> Thank you all for the encouraging words. I feel so much better now so >> I can think more clearly. One thing -- people mentioned taking loved [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dana Hey, Tell me about it!
I have to tell you that in my case, my mother in law and I never really got along for all those years. This was not any doing of mine, but she was just such a witch (spelled with a 'b') that there was no possible getting along with her!
But when she came here .........and we were originally just going to help her get into a nursing home,...... and then I saw how pitiful she had become, and I just felt so sorry for her. She wasn't anything like the meanie I always had known before. She was just frightened and lost and confused.........
When Peter brought her here, she smelled to high heaven. I couldn't even stand to be in the same room with her, and who knew when she'd last bathed? There was an inch of dust in her one and only bathtub! Peter forced her to take a bath, and she groused about it like you wouldn't believe, but after that, she was a scared little old lady sitting there in my nightgown (that I lent her) on my sofa....and all I could do was feel compassion for her.
It was only then that I even vaguely considered taking her here with us, even though we had moved here and bought this larger house with the idea that possibly one of our parents might need care.
Once we had made the decision it all fell into place. We put her into the guest room, and started feeding her good food, I got her hair cut, her teeth fixed, her hearing aid replaced, took her to our doctor, and we made it work.
She wasn't always easy. She wasn't suddenly a different person, but the guard was down, and she began to see me with new eyes. I helped her dress every morning and evening. I gave her baths. I helped her with everything. We began to relate.... one woman to another. She even told me she loved me and we hugged each other. Twenty years of nastiness got healed up somehow.
It was the hardest thing I have ever done. It was exhausting, it was frustrating, it was horrible, it was confining. We were both exhausted beyond words.
It ended up being me who looked for her nursing home. It was me who cared about every little thing, that she had everything she needed.
And when she died, it was me who made sure she got exactly the funeral she wanted, by her own Estonian minister, and that she was placed in her grave with her sister and her husband. It was me who told her story and who wishes her peace wherever she is.
Look.... I don't blame ANYONE for not being able to do all this stuff. If you asked me, I would have told you that I couldn't have done it either, but I don't regret that I did it. For US it was right, but not for everyone.
But don't think that I or anyone here would DARE to suggest it is the only way to go. People sometimes are better off in a professional setting, where you can come and visit and let professional people deal with the icky stuff. Sometimes it can save everyones dignity.
You and only you can know your individual family situation. Ultimately you do what is right for you.
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Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 02 Sep 2006 00:01 GMT Hi Leah,
I'm so sorry that your mother has been diagnosed with AD. It isn't fair, and no one deserves this, not her, not you and your sibs. Its too bad that the doctor accidentally gave her some information when you didn't want her told - but many doctors would have taken the stance that if she is still competent to understand the diagnosis, she should be told. It is an ethical dilemna.
However, having said that, its reality, can't change any of it. So lets talk about what is real, with no illusions.
She cannot live alone. She is probably not safe living on her own even now. It is one of those paradoxes that people are always, always MUCH more impaired cognitively than you can detect from social interactions - and it is even worse for family since you are going to be thrown off by your love for her, and want to give her the benefit of the doubt. You will want to think she is better than she is. She is going to get worse and worse, whether quickly and relentlessly or slowly and steadily, or in fits and starts, and will need supervision and support 24/7. If she is already getting lost, that means her ability to recognize people, places and objects is already sliding - its not just a memory issue. A home aide might help (if you can get her to stop firing them....which might be helped by YOU hiring them so she can't dismiss them, since she really isn't competent enough to have real insight into her own limitations). However, an aide on a daily basis is not going to protect her during the hours the aide is not there, when she is left alone with appliances, medications, cleansers, utensils, when she might go out of her apartment and get lost, or let strangers into her home, or do something completely whacky (like my mother in law unscrewing all the lightbulbs in her apartment because she couldn't figure out how to turn the TV off). Her judgement and ability to reason is impaired, as is her emotional control. If something goes wrong, like a fire, a flood, a black out - will she know how to react appropriately and safely?
Its depressing, but its not desperate. You will feel better when you stop trying to wish this away and just deal with it - for me, anyway, the worst part is always when I feel like a trapped animal because I know what I have to do but I really don't want to do it, and am engaged in wishing everything was different. That is the time you feel torn apart. Once you stop pretending things away and make some decisions you can act on, it may still be painful, but you won't be as tortured. You will also feel MUCH better when you know she is safe and secure and you don't have to worry so much about whether she is eating, bathing, etc. etc.
Your options for her are very limited. Even if you get her an aide she'll let stay, as I said, 8 hours a day isn't going to cut it, nor is 12. She needs someone around 24/7. So, any aide is a temporary stopgap until you come up with another plan.
One of you can take her to live with you, and if that is not possible at all (and its sounds like neither you nor your sibs are in circumstances to do so, so don't waste any more angst on that one) she will need an assisted living facility. So that makes the way fairly simple.
Between the four of you, get your skates on, call the local Alzheimer's Association, seniors support agencies, geriatric clinics, social workers, whatever the heck is in your area, and do your research on what is available to a person with medicaid only, and no personal assets, from assisted living, day care, specialized dementia care facilitiies etc. etc. You don't know what is out there until you really scour the scene. Book a visit with an eldercare lawyer to discuss the ins and outs of medicaid and what she might be eligible for.
Once you know what is out there, pick the one that you think is best (or the one that is the least objectionable, knowing you aren't going to love any of the choices). Depending on what is out there, if the choices are limited, convenient geography may not be a selection criterion you can insist on. Get her name on the waiting lists (and if it is desirable at all, there are usually waiting lists), and then plan to move her when a spot comes up.
You absolutely must cultivate a pessimistic outlook when it comes to planning for the care of anyone with progressive dementia in that you have to plan for worst case, so you are ready for anything. Then if things go slower, you can be pleasantly surprised and relieved. Being too optimistic means delaying having solid plans in place, and then you get plunged into crisis when there is unexpected deterioration. You must make sure you have all the legal instruments in place to look after her (powers of attorney for financial and medical decisions), that her will is iin order, and that someone trusted has a detailed knowledge of all her assets and where they are.
When we put my MIL's name on a waiting list for the first time, we never dreamed that within the year she would absolutely need the placement.
You can't imagine having to place your mother, but I doubt you also never thought she'd get Alzheimer's, and its even harder to imagine what will happen to her as a consequence of the disease.
Hang in, hang in, hang in. And go find out what the options are stat. Even that action will make you feel better since it will help you to get your head around what needs to happen next.
I am so, so, sorry you have to travel this road.
M.
Tumbleweed - 02 Sep 2006 07:33 GMT Great advice below, I'd just like to add one thing for consideration. Now it depends just how bad your mother is, but don't spend too much effort trying to get her agreement to new arrangements, because two of the things that apply to most Az patients is an inability to understand their pwn predicament, and a fear of change.
Its quite likely, for example, that she absolutely will refuse to go into care even when she is well past the stage of needing to be there for her own safety. And on the same lines, if she is like most Az patients, there is no point telling her in advance about changes, minor or major. For example, doctors appointment, or moving into care or going to daycare. She'll stress and worry and you'll have an argument, and then she'll forget all about it anyway and you'll have to go through the stress a second time, even if she agreed to something, perhaps going into a day care program. There will come a time when you'll realise that asking her whether or not you should do something is akin to asking toddlers advice about whether they should go to nursery, or eat vegetables, etc.
Some people here call it loving deception, I dont mind calling it lying, but you'll find you have to make up untruths to get her to do things. Don't feel guilty about that.
None of the above is certain, maybe she'll want to see the doctors, take the medicine, go to daycare, go into care, but chances are she wont want to do some or all of these, and lying may be the only ay to make it happen.
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> Hi Leah, > [quoted text clipped - 98 lines] > > M. Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 02 Sep 2006 14:57 GMT Tumbleweed has made some excellent points re: doing what needs doing and not trying to get the person's agreement to whatever the plan is.
We certainly learned this with my MIL. She had very limited understanding of her own problems - what was obvious to everyone around her, she was oblivious to. She also couldn't remember much, so when there was a frightening incident that told us that she was really not competent to do something, she would argue she was fine - mostly because she couldn't really remember what had happened, much less fathom what the implications were. Her operating assumption was that she was the way she'd always been.
Just to give you an example, early in the game she broke a hip (which delayed her formal diagnosis with AD). She really went for a slide during that period because of the anesthesia to repair the hip. She was in a rehab facility for a few weeks where they emphasized self care - so each patient was given their meds in a special locked box, and had to track it on a chart with days of the week across the top, and the times she was supposed to take the pills down one side. All she had to do was put a tick in a box when she took the pill (Tuesday at 2, tick, another pill at 6, tick) She couldn't do it. Just absolutely could not understand the simple chart, no matter how many times it was explained to her. She was livid with the staff - she felt insulted. She went on and on about how she was perfectly capable of taking her pills, she didn't need to fill out the sheet, they were being silly, mean, rude, unreasonable etc. We were appalled, since it was apparent to us she couldn't read a calendar or tell time properly let alone track events, and really WASN'T able to administer her own meds.
Because she couldn't see her own deficits or "get" what they meant in terms of her daily life and safety, you could argue with her until you were blue, and it did nothing other than make her upset. Even if she had a hint she had a problem (i.e. she had the odd very lucid day in the early period) she couldn't freely admit it because it was too distressing and humiliating.Their issues make for paranoia and wierd explanations for disasters - they will cast about for a reason and come up with any answer other than their mind is going (i.e. my son must have taken all the money from my wallet, my neighbour stole my jewellry, the government did something to the time so it was dark when I thought it should be light etc. etc.)
So, you just do what has to be done for her well being and safety, and you have to give up the idea that she needs to be informed of everything that has to be arranged OR or give her permission (never mind her enthused endorsement, which you will never get for the majority of needed supports or changes). As Tumbleweed says, change is terrifying for someone with AD, so of course, they will say no, no matter what the plan. If you 'd asked my MIL what she wanted to see happen, it would have been that she just continue as she'd always been - and that, sadly, was the one thing that the AD had made completely impossible.
M
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