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Dana Carpender - 13 Aug 2006 22:16 GMT
I've learned about my mother that while she says things that make no
sense, there is often some sort of obscure logic in her mind.  For
instance, she's fascinated by her gray hair, because she's sure she's
too young to be gray.  (Hell, I'm 47 and I've been all gray since 40 or
so!  Under the dye, of course. :-) )  She'll ask many times a day, "Have
I told you how my hair got this way?"  Then she'll tell this disjointed
story about her and her best friend Mavis finding a house or apartment
abandoned but open, and full of cobwebs.  The story never gets much
further than that, and it never actually mentions her hair, though I
suppose the link is the cobwebs -- maybe she thinks her hair is full of
cobwebs?  But the thing is, it's obvious the connection is clear to
*Mom*, if not to anyone else.

For that matter, back at 4th of July, when I visited, Mom talked
endlessly of a childhood friend named Carla Rothenberg.  Did I remember
Carla?  Why didn't I remember Carla? Where was Carla?  How could she
find Carla?

After I left, she spoke glowingly of what a good time she'd had during
the holiday with me, but wasn't clear that I was her daughter.  Instead,
I was her "nice Jewish friend."  So again, there's an apparent link in
Mom's brain.

I think I'm becoming Carla because I'm in the same position in my family
that Mom was in hers -- I'm the middle child, with an older sister and a
younger brother.  Mom's decided my sister and brother are *her* sister
and brother, but obviously I'm not her, so I must be someone else, so
I'm Carla.  Which is fine, I'm sure Carla was a lovely woman.

If it didn't hurt so bad to see my mom like this, it would be kind of
fascinating.  As it is, I can invariably crack my sister up by saying,
"Have I told you about my hair?"

Is this sort of "Alzheimer's Logic" common?
ladylove77 - 13 Aug 2006 22:22 GMT
Dana, it's good that you can find something to laugh about.  There is so
little to enjoy about AD.
Gwen

> I've learned about my mother that while she says things that make no
> sense, there is often some sort of obscure logic in her mind.  For
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> Is this sort of "Alzheimer's Logic" common?
Tumbleweed - 13 Aug 2006 22:51 GMT
> I've learned about my mother that while she says things that make no
> sense, there is often some sort of obscure logic in her mind.  For
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> Is this sort of "Alzheimer's Logic" common?

I think it is. An aunt of mine has I think mild dementia. She complained to
me that her neighbours had a secret key to her house and were coming in and
stealing her teaspoons and also shuffling her medicine boxes around. I
suppose what happens is that she puts her teaspoons somewhere 'safe' and
then later, the neighbours stealing them seems to be the obvious or perhaps
the only explanation, since she 'knows' she just put them in the drawer,
similar with the medicine. Therefore, as Sherlock Holmes said, when you
eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be  the
truth.

I suppose there must also be some sort of logic function missing that you or
I would use to work out that actually we must be mistaken about 'knowing'
where we put the keys as neighbours breaking in to steal just teaspoons
belongs in the 'impossible' category. I wonder if they cannot acknowledge
that deficit, because if they did, they would have to admit they needed to
be placed in care, typicallya huge worry, etc, so the brain is covering up
its own mistakes?  Hmmm, given the frequency I misplace my car keys, I could
be in trouble here.........bloody thieving neighbours    :-)

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Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 13 Aug 2006 23:02 GMT
At one point, my MIL stopped wearing her false teeth - she didn't seem
to understand what they were for, and would resist having them put in,
and then would take them out and hide them, so they had to be put away.

So, one fine day, she'd seemingly noticed she only had a couple of
teeth left and she told us a garbled story about what had happened to
her teeth. She told us bad boys had waylaid her on the way home from
school and hit her in the mouth and knocked out her teeth. She was very
animated describing these naughty boys and how she'd been walloped.

Who knows where they get these ideas? She also hid some of her
clothing, because she was sure one of the residents who she ate dinner
with was coming to steal them. She related long stories of all the bad
things this woman had said, and none of them could be true, since they
had to do with very specific insults and remarks about private details
of Dolli's childhood and family, which the woman couldn't have known.

Sigh.

M
Alan Meyer - 14 Aug 2006 04:11 GMT
At one point my Dad asked my Mom if she knew who I was.
She said, "Of course I know who he is.  Don't you think I know
my own brother!"

Part of this might be the aging thing that so many of us have
seen.  My Mom believed she was much younger than she
was and, by Alzheimer's logic, knew that I was too old to be
her son.  I must be her brother.

She too hid things all the time.  Again, I believe there was a
logical reason for it.  She kind of knew she couldn't find
anything and concluded that if she put things in special
hiding places, they couldn't just disappear.  Of course
this made everything disappear.

Even after my Mom lost the ability to speak a coherent
sentence, it seemed to me that there were logical thoughts
stirring in her brain, she just couldn't get them out and I just
couldn't figure them out from the bits and pieces she said.

   Alan
Torpedo - 14 Aug 2006 13:26 GMT
My father has no idea who I am.  I've been my mother, his mother, his
sister, the cleaning woman, a taxi driver...*LOL*...etc.  One day while
trying, again, to tell him who I was...I explained that he had two children,
a son and a daughter..and that I was his daughter.  He began shaking his
head telling me no....that I was too old to be his daughter....and that
couldn't possibly be right anyways, because he has 3 children.  I tried to
ask a few more questions.....and then I explained again....he had a son and
a daughter....he again said no......so I said, Ok, where's your third
child??  (DREADING the answer because at this point I didn't know whether or
not i needed to start a search for a sister or brother I didn't know I
had).......Dad's answer..."We're expecting....(he taps my belly and
says)...you'll soon be starting to show!!   *LOL*

> I've learned about my mother that while she says things that make no
> sense, there is often some sort of obscure logic in her mind.  For
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> Is this sort of "Alzheimer's Logic" common?
Charlie in San Francisco - 16 Aug 2006 21:58 GMT
Some time back I was trying to convince my wife of 53 years that we are
married.  After it seemed to sink in, I told her we had a son.  She
asked who.  I told her "Jim".  She whispered conspiratorily "does he know?"

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Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2006 22:26 GMT
> Some time back I was trying to convince my wife of 53 years that we are
> married.  After it seemed to sink in, I told her we had a son.  She asked
> who.  I told her "Jim".  She whispered conspiratorily "does he know?"

That's cute, Charlie!

LOL!
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Alan Meyer - 17 Aug 2006 21:11 GMT
> Some time back I was trying to convince my wife of 53 years that we are
> married.  After it seemed to sink in, I told her we had a son.  She
> asked who.  I told her "Jim".  She whispered conspiratorily "does he know?"

Good story.

My father's name was Gerson.

One day he and I went to visit Mom in the Alzheimer's home.
We were sitting on a bench in their back yard when Mom
turned to me, pointed at Dad, and said, "Doesn't he look
just like Gerson?".

   Alan
meg - 14 Aug 2006 22:42 GMT
Dana,

My sister and I are the main family involved with my mother's care.  We
also have noticed that there is always a grain of truth somewhere in
Mom's rambllings.  One time, my sister had taken Mom to see the movie
about penguins.   A couple of weeks later, I took my mom to Panda
Express, a fast food chineese resturant.   When my sister visited her
at the assisted living facility later that night, Mom said she had left
over penguin for dinner.  It took a while for my sister to piece it
together.  Since penguins and pandas are both black and white animals,
that start with the /p/ sound it really did make sense.  But out of
context it was a little hard to decipher.    That's about the only
funny memory I will have about this whole alz. process.

She has declined quite a bit further so it's getting really hard to
piece together the links.  She is often living in a dual reality where
we kids are still little and she's worried about us, but at the same
time recognizes theat we are the same children, now adults, she's
fretting about.  It's a little Twilight Zonish
 
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