Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / July 2006
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Mary K Farrell - 01 Jul 2006 23:48 GMT Hi, all: It's been a while since I posted here. Thought I'd get back in touch with you to see how everyone else is handling life. I'm glad to see Evelyn, Dennis, and Tumbleweed still here! I was taking care of my husband, George. It was becomming more and more a full-time job, but we were handling it fairly well. He was doing fairly well actually. I had several doctors tell me it was time to look for a place but never really wanted to do that. I had actually promised him I would "never" put him in a nursing facility! He was getting worse but the decline was very slow. Then we went to Hawai'i for 9 days this past May. George did very well on the plane over. When we got to the airport in Honolulu and our shuttle service tried to get us into the van, George bacame confused. I tried to help him and he hit me in the head with the back of his hand. The driver and an aide got him settled down and into the van. Got to the hotel and he was fine.....until that evening when he just knew I was going out and partying! Everyday was fine; every night he was convinced I was running around with a bunch of guys. Then we headed back to San Diego. We got 2 hours out of Honolulu and the captain had to declare an emergency and turn around: the windshield had shattered. Got back to Honolulu and George called the flight attendant over and told her "My wife shattered the windshield. She's trying to kill me." Thankfully, I had given out business cards warning that George had AD! Once home, he seemed to be okay. Then he got tangled up in his seatbelt. I tried to help him out of it. He slugged me with his fist right in my chest. I blocked the second punch. Two days later, I took him with me to the store. He was fine at first. Then he suddenly became aggitated and aggressive. That caused me to put him in the hospital for "evaluation" for 18 days. When he came home, he was so drugged up on Risperdal that he was a vegetable. I finally lowered the doseage of the Risperdal and he came out of it somewhat. But he could hardly walk, couldn't talk, and was totally incontinent. I spent a week utilizing a home health nurse from 7:00 PM to 7:00 AM so I could get some sleep. That was costing me $240.00 per dayThis past Monday, I had to have George placed. He's now in a lovely place called Lo-Har Gardens. It's in El Cajon, which is inland and very hot during the summer (thank God they have air conditioning!), but the cost was affordable: $3500.00 per month for a semi-private room (right now, it's completely private). I haven't seen him since I took him in -- they told me to stay away until he got used to his new environment. They said I could come out on July 3rd (my birthday) when they have an Independence Day party. And they're letting me bring George's ex-wife, Fran, and our friend, Joe, who lives here and helps me with the house. I'm a little nervous about it all, really. George is calling me Henry now. He says his wife's name is Fran and has no idea who Mary could be. So sad. Is this common? For someone to be doing fairly well then suddenly deteriorate so rapidly?
Mary K
Mary K Farrell - 01 Jul 2006 23:56 GMT Sorry, gang. I don't know how I managed to get that attachment in this. Did not plan that. > Hi, all: > It's been a while since I posted here. Thought I'd get back in touch with > you to see how everyone else is handling life. I'm glad to see Evelyn, > Dennis, and Tumbleweed still here! > I was taking care of my husband, George. It was becomming more and more a > full-time job, but we were handling it fairly well. He was doing fairly well > actually. I had several doctors tell me it was time to look for a place but > never really wanted to do that. I had actually promised him I would "never" > put him in a nursing facility! He was getting worse but the decline was very > slow. > Then we went to Hawai'i for 9 days this past May. George did very well on > the plane over. When we got to the airport in Honolulu and our shuttle > service tried to get us into the van, George bacame confused. I tried to > help him and he hit me in the head with the back of his hand. The driver and > an aide got him settled down and into the van. Got to the hotel and he was > fine.....until that evening when he just knew I was going out and partying! > Everyday was fine; every night he was convinced I was running around with a > bunch of guys. Then we headed back to San Diego. We got 2 hours out of > Honolulu and the captain had to declare an emergency and turn around: the > windshield had shattered. Got back to Honolulu and George called the flight > attendant over and told her "My wife shattered the windshield. She's trying > to kill me." Thankfully, I had given out business cards warning that George > had AD! > Once home, he seemed to be okay. Then he got tangled up in his seatbelt. I > tried to help him out of it. He slugged me with his fist right in my chest. > I blocked the second punch. Two days later, I took him with me to the store. > He was fine at first. Then he suddenly became aggitated and aggressive. That > caused me to put him in the hospital for "evaluation" for 18 days. When he > came home, he was so drugged up on Risperdal that he was a vegetable. I > finally lowered the doseage of the Risperdal and he came out of it somewhat. > But he could hardly walk, couldn't talk, and was totally incontinent. I > spent a week utilizing a home health nurse from 7:00 PM to 7:00 AM so I > could get some sleep. That was costing me $240.00 per dayThis past Monday, I > had to have George placed. He's now in a lovely place called Lo-Har Gardens. > It's in El Cajon, which is inland and very hot during the summer (thank God > they have air conditioning!), but the cost was affordable: $3500.00 per > month for a semi-private room (right now, it's completely private). I > haven't seen him since I took him in -- they told me to stay away until he > got used to his new environment. They said I could come out on July 3rd (my > birthday) when they have an Independence Day party. And they're letting me > bring George's ex-wife, Fran, and our friend, Joe, who lives here and helps > me with the house. I'm a little nervous about it all, really. George is > calling me Henry now. He says his wife's name is Fran and has no idea who > Mary could be. So sad. > Is this common? For someone to be doing fairly well then suddenly > deteriorate so rapidly? > > Mary K > > >
Evelyn Ruut - 02 Jul 2006 02:04 GMT > Hi, all: > It's been a while since I posted here. Thought I'd get back in touch with [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Mary K Hi Mary,
Welcome back. I don't know if it is 'common,' but I have certainly heard of it, right here on this newsgroup, in fact.
This is not a professional opinion, just that of an observant lay-person; There are often many factors at work. Not only could the person have alzheimers, but often they may develop other things, such as mini-strokes. Would it be worth putting him through all sorts of testing to discover exactly what it was? A tough call.
Whatever it is that caused his sudden decline, it is where he is "at" just now, and what you have to work with. Like so many others, you have come to a place where taking care of him at home has become an impossibility. We never thought we'd come to that place either, but we did at a certain point.
It is interesting that you first really noticed his 'sudden' decline while travelling. There is something about removing the person from his or her familiar setting that seems to show their deficits and inability to adjust to new situations, really clearly.
I recall very vividly how when my husbands daughter got married some time ago, back in the early 90's, and Ida went with us to Florida to attend the wedding, how she drove us CRAZY, with her nearly irrational behavior. It may have been the first clue, and we totally missed it. We just thought she was 'strange,' and that her behavior was simply 'out of line.' Actually now that I think about it, it showed a person who just couldn't cope with new situations, and may have been the first sign of her developing illness.
I am glad to hear that your husband is in a good place, and that you are coping well. I imagine it is hard for you just now, as it was for us when we first placed my mother in law in a nursing home. I can only offer you a couple of pieces of advice:
1. Don't feel guilty. You did the best you could. He is a man and he is stronger than you, and he was getting a little aggressive. You tried, but it isn't a failure to admit that it got too hard. The rules of the game changed as his illness progressed.
2. Please try to get out and enjoy your life again as soon as possible. Nobody can know the big picture, but you are here and you are still functioning, and you need to live your life to the best of your ability. We are a long time dead. Visit him, care about him, look after him, but don't lose your own focus or your sense of who YOU are.
3. Happy birthday (in two more days). Maybe you should enjoy your birthday and go visit him a day later than the 3rd? Your birthday is a day you should try to really enjoy.
Don't feel bad if he doesn't recognize you as his wife, he also may not recognize who Fran is either, since she was much younger in his memory, and she lives only in some place in his mind. It is typical of the illness for the person to lose the newer memories first, and to live somewhat in the past, until that too, goes away.
((((((((( hug )))))))))
somehow I thought you might need one.
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Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
Tumbleweed - 02 Jul 2006 09:17 GMT > Is this common? For someone to be doing fairly well then suddenly > deteriorate so rapidly? it can be from what I've read here, though it can also be the other way, for example my dad seems to be on a very slow and gradual downwards slope with no particular /abrupt/ chnages in behaviour. In some ways the latter can be more difficult to deal with because there is no one particular incident (as you had) that leads you to say 'thats enough', not that I'm belittling what happened to you, I think you were very brave to take him to Hawaii!! Hopefully you did enjoy the most of it?
Again, from what I have read here and also from personal experience, its when you take someone out of their normal environment, albeit just a long car trip or a relatives house perhaps, that the behaviour can really deteriorate because there is more confusion for them, something thats extremely difficult to understand or appreciate from our point of view. When my dad used to visit my house it became a nightmare, he would start asking when (and how) he was going home *literally* every minute, from the minute he arrived. I used to write down all the answers to his Q's and give it to him to read. Then typically he'd put it in a pocket for safe keeping and forget he had it, LOL :-)
(LOL now, it wasnt funny at the time!)
I think many of us here have speculated that as the brain loses capabilities there is spare capacity left to enable functioning of a specific behaviour, but eventually you'll lose that last tiny little bit that means that it can no longer cope. Hence the sudden deterioration in a behaviour even though the actual underlying decline might be constant. I suppose its like a car running out of petrol (gas to most here :-), until that last bit in the tank is used, the car can travel fine, the last drop is used and the suddenly car stops.
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Char - 04 Jul 2006 23:47 GMT >>Is this common? For someone to be doing fairly well then suddenly >>deteriorate so rapidly? [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > is used, the car can travel fine, the last drop is used and the suddenly car > stops. I agree with how brave you were to take him to Hawaii! I can't imagine trying to take John anywhere on a trip. Being in the car literally freaks him out. Just a short ride home after he plays pool causes him to start stomping the floorboards & as he says "going crazy". We get home--no more than 5 minutes--& then we have the freezing thing where he can't move or walk for awhile. All of this happens, I think, because he has struggled 2 or 3 hours to be normal while playing pool & then he can relax around me & the symptoms set in? I'm curious if any of you have experienced this.
Always,
Char
Alan Meyer - 05 Jul 2006 06:36 GMT ...
> I agree with how brave you were to take him to Hawaii! I can't imagine trying to take > John anywhere on a trip. Being in the car literally freaks him out. Just a short ride [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > struggled 2 or 3 hours to be normal while playing pool & then he can relax around me & > the symptoms set in? I'm curious if any of you have experienced this. ... A cousin of mine who spent many years as a geriatric nurse described a phenomenon which she called "sundowning". She said that many of the demented patients held things together during the day and then fell apart in the evening. Apparently it's a common phenomenon.
Alan
Char - 06 Jul 2006 22:27 GMT > ... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Alan Thanks, Alan. I think I'm just falling into denial again & hoping the other doctors were wrong when they said EOAD after eliminating other stuff. Anyway, we will find out what my neurologist says Monday.
Char
ladylove77 - 07 Jul 2006 03:38 GMT Char, I know we will all be interested in what your neurologist says on Monday. Let us know, please. Gwen
>> ... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Char Alan Meyer - 02 Jul 2006 23:22 GMT Excellent advice here from Evelyn, as always, and I think Tumbleweed is exactly right about what happens when we see abrupt changes in behavior.
If you gradually close your eyes while walking, you can still see well enough to walk okay until, at a certain point, you can't do it any more. The change in vision is gradual but the change in the ability to walk successfully is much more sudden.
I think the gradual accumulation of brain deficits may have similar effects on behavior. The patient holds things together with more and more effort, and then suddenly can't do it any more. So we see fairly abrupt behavioral changes correlated with very gradual underlying physiological changes.
My mother raised me to believe that placing an elderly person in a "home" (meaning an institution) was about the worst thing that a family could do to an elderly person. When my father and I took her to an Alzheimer's I felt terrible about it. But after getting more experience with my mother, later my father, and then my mother-in-law, I came to see it very differently.
I hope that AD never happens to me. But if it does, I want my wife and children to continue to live the lives they are capable of and not waste themselves trying to care for a man who can't really benefit from their care.
A good Alzheimer's home won't give the personalized care that you gave, but on the other hand, they'll be able to do a lot of things you couldn't do for your husband - group activities, music sessions, little parties and, such as it is, the companionship of others like himself - all in a very non-demanding, orderly, well regulated, easy to cope with life. This may be just what he needs most.
Good luck.
Alan
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