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Barb Terry - 26 Mar 2006 04:01 GMT
A couple of months ago on a perfectly normal day for my mom she choked
at supper time.She was choking up tons of phelgm.I had to call an
ambulance.Within about an hour the hospital said her chest had filled up
with fluids.Congestive heart failure.Is it possible for that to come on
that quickly.She was feeling very good before choking.By the next
morning she was 100% better.The doctor himself could not believe how
quickly she bounced back. Sounded a little off to me.Barb
Dennis P. Harris - 26 Mar 2006 05:08 GMT
> A couple of months ago on a perfectly normal day for my mom she choked
> at supper time.She was choking up tons of phelgm.I had to call an
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> morning she was 100% better.The doctor himself could not believe how
> quickly she bounced back. Sounded a little off to me.

pulmonory edema starts slowly, but eventually the lungs just
can't handle the moisture exchange and react.  does she usually
take a diuretic but missed a dose or two?  that could easily do
it.

i'll bet she used to be a heavy smoker, no?

it's also possible that her lungs were reacting to her aspirating
(breathing in) fluids --- soup, whatever she was drinking, gravy,
even soft mashed spuds could all cause such a reaction if
inhaled.  AD does affect the swallowing reflex, which could cause
such a problem.

fyi, with pulmonary edema, the fluid buildup in the lungs can
lead to frequent bronchial infections and pneumonia.  pneumonia
used to be called "the old man's friend" because dying from it is
painless.
Barb Terry - 26 Mar 2006 17:01 GMT
Dennis,
   Yes my mom takes lasix,but did not miss a dose.I give her all her
meds.And she never smoked a cig in her life.
Barb Terry - 26 Mar 2006 17:47 GMT
Dennis,
   I forgot to ask you.How in the heck could pneumonia be a painless
death.Not being able to breathe does not sound painless to me.Barb
Evelyn Ruut - 26 Mar 2006 18:40 GMT
> Dennis,
>    I forgot to ask you.How in the heck could pneumonia be a painless
> death.Not being able to breathe does not sound painless to me.Barb

I had the same thought.
I imagine the only truly painless death is the one we reserve for our worst
criminals; lethal injection.

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Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 26 Mar 2006 22:44 GMT
I think the thing with a pneumonia death is that it tends to be fairly
swift, and the lack of oxygen sort of creeps up on the person, so they
tend to slip into the twilight of reduced consciousness without being
accutely aware of what is happening to them.

My grandfather died from it at age 92, and he was in very, very little
distress, and sick for an extremely short period of time. He wasn't
coughing or struggling to breath - his lungs just sort of quietly
filled up, and his level of awareness slipped away. It was very quiet,
peaceful, and he did not appear to be suffering at all.

It certainly was MUCH less difficult, and much easier and more peaceful
than my grandmother's death from cancer, where she was 100% aware of
what was happening, and actively distressed until literally an hour or
two before her death (she died at home). She wasn't in physical pain,
but she was having trouble breathing (the cancer had moved into her
lungs), and she was exhausted, frightened and really, really wanted it
to be over (i.e. I was with her when the family doctor made a visit
just a few hours before she passed away, and the only thing she wanted
to know was how much longer was this going to take).

M.
Dennis P. Harris - 27 Mar 2006 02:10 GMT
> I think the thing with a pneumonia death is that it tends to be fairly
> swift, and the lack of oxygen sort of creeps up on the person, so they
> tend to slip into the twilight of reduced consciousness without being
> accutely aware of what is happening to them.

that's pretty much so.  there may be some breathing difficulties
near the end, but the dying person is unconscious and feels no
pain, and just gets weaker and weaker.
Jo Ann Malina - 27 Mar 2006 04:33 GMT
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org is alleged to have said:
> I think the thing with a pneumonia death is that it tends to be fairly
> swift, and the lack of oxygen sort of creeps up on the person, so they
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> just a few hours before she passed away, and the only thing she wanted
> to know was how much longer was this going to take).

I've had pneumonia bad enough to be hospitalized, and it does hurt.
I was hugging a bag of blue ice to my breast and ribs before going into
the hospital because it gave some relief from the pain.  I'm sure
there are worse pains, such as from cancer.

It also drains your energy and all I wanted to do is sleep.  I can
imagine that had the antibiotics not worked (or had it been viral), I
might have just gone to sleep and never woken up.

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Pain has an element of Blank
It cannot recollect
When it begun or if there were
A time when it was not.
                          -- Emily Dickinson

Evelyn Ruut - 27 Mar 2006 05:01 GMT
"Jo Ann Malina" <jmalina@spamthis.com> wrote in message news:w2JVf.7194

> Pain has an element of Blank
> It cannot recollect
> When it begun or if there were
> A time when it was not.
>                           -- Emily Dickinson

Good quote.   I broke my shoulder a year and a half ago and the pain was
excruciating.   Nothing helped and it went on for months and months.    I
swore if I ever got well from that, I would enjoy every living minute.    I
remind myself of that if I get blue for any reason, I am so thankful not to
be hurting like that.
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pellmellwillynilly@hotmail.com - 29 Mar 2006 20:08 GMT
Mary_Gor...@tvo.org i"said:

"I've had pneumonia bad enough to be hospitalized, and it does hurt.
I was hugging a bag of blue ice to my breast and ribs before going into

the hospital because it gave some relief from the pain."

I've had pneumonia three times in the last two years, and I can't
imagine dying comfortably that way. I was exhausted and in pain from
coughing and constantly interrupted sleep. When my dad was given the
option of dialysis, the nephrologist said that kidney failure is the
most comfortable death: "You get really tired and don't wake up."

Can I choose that death, please?
Ronny TX - 30 Mar 2006 02:32 GMT
> Mary_Gor...@tvo.org i"said:
>
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>
> Can I choose that death, please?

Ronny:
I remember having pneumonia when in my late teens- long time ago! But
there was fever,sweating,aches, pain and the coughing. Coughing so bad
I couldn't sleep even though I was so tired. Good neighbors brought
Jack Daniels whiskey to make me toddies. That stopped my coughing and
helped me get to sleep!:-) I know I was so out of it at times,sheets
and clothes sweated down and at my worst I didn't even know when such
was changed. Also kept making toddies after I was really well,:-) which
bothered my Mom a bit! LoL But she got OK after I had that half bottle
of whiskey finished off! LoL
kureforcrohns@sbcglobal.net - 31 Mar 2006 03:30 GMT
Sorry about your mother and thank G-d she is allright.    I keep saying
nursing homes are a hazardous place to be, as some patients are on
anti-depressants.   And anti-depressants can transmit harm to another
person.    As noted above, please read my post titled      crohns and
Ulcerative colitis     on forum       DoctorBrains.org.       I have a dear
friend in a nursing home and am forever worried about the anti-depressant
aspect of the home.
The post will state why.
Gail Michael

> A couple of months ago on a perfectly normal day for my mom she choked
> at supper time.She was choking up tons of phelgm.I had to call an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> morning she was 100% better.The doctor himself could not believe how
> quickly she bounced back. Sounded a little off to me.Barb
 
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