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June - 08 Mar 2006 14:33 GMT
I had a nice chat with the nurse and the owner of the assisted living
apartment where my mother is living.   A while back I posted that Mom was
gaining weight and the consensus here was to not bring extra food especially
cookies to her.   I stopped bringing them and she has not mentioned that she
wanted anymore so I left it at that.   The nurse told me that Mom now gets
up and goes down to breakfast every morning and is beginning to socialize
more with the other residents.   That was such good news.   I had gone down
to talk to the nurse about getting Mom on the Podiatrist list for trimming
toe nails.
I had mentioned that my brother and I decided to take Mom off of Aricept
since it makes her sick.   The main thing was that it has always been up to
her to take it.   A month prescription would last for 3 months.   Since she
lived alone in the winter while in Florida, it has always been up to her to
take it.   I figure since this has been going on for years, that it didn't
matter if she takes it or not since she hasn't taken it properly for all
these years.   Still the dementia is very very slow.   He changed his mind
wants her to continue this way.   I say we're wasting Mom's money if we
don't have the nurse give it to her everyday with food and frankly I doubt
that it does her any good and it does sometimes make her sick.  Sometimes I
feel I need that proverbial baseball bat to knock him upside the head but
even if I did he wouldn't understand.  When she did take it everyday I
really didn't know if it did any good.   She and her doctor (in Florida)
asked me back around 1995 if it helped  and I couldn't tell.   My brother
has the durable power of attorney and I know he means well.   He's afraid if
Mom takes it everyday that she will really get sick.    After 12 and a half
years of dementia, I'm not sure how much slower this thing can go anyway.
'Sigh'   It's so hard to know what to do.   She certainly is no textbook
case.......June
Evelyn Ruut - 08 Mar 2006 15:31 GMT
>I had a nice chat with the nurse and the owner of the assisted living
>apartment where my mother is living.   A while back I posted that Mom was
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> go anyway. 'Sigh'   It's so hard to know what to do.   She certainly is no
> textbook case.......June

Hi June,

Dementia is such a strange thing, and there are so many ways it can
manifest, and I am sure there are many more causes than we know about.   In
my mother in law's case, the Aricept made a clear and extremely noticeable
difference when she was on it, and the reverse when she wasn't.

In your mom's case, it doesn't sound like it is so clear at all.   In my
opinion you are probably the best judge of how your loved one is reacting to
a medication, since you are the one with the functioning brain.

From what you seem to be saying here, there is no clear difference that you
can see whether she is on it or off it, excepting the gastric upsets are
more noticeable, but then you don't really have a true picture either.

A person who has a prescription for one month that lasts for three is
definitely not getting the levels in her bloodstream that she needs to
really do anything worthwhile.   Also it is a pretty safe bet that if she
has been diagnosed with dementia in the first place, she may be doubling up
on it some days and not taking it at all on others.

This is definitely a really good way to get gastric upsets from it, in fact
that is EXACTLY what my mother in law was doing before we took over her
health care and all other aspects of her life, including bathing, etc.
She was not eating, bathing, taking her meds on time or in the proper
amounts (though she thought she was doing all those things just fine!)

What I think is that you really need to know whether it is helping or not,
and that means you may have experiment a little bit.    You could
conceivably stop it altogether, and see what happens.   Or you could arrange
to have the medication given to her with food at a specific time every day,
and not leave it in her hands to decide when and if to take it.

Since the drug is known to help others, maybe being really careful about how
often she takes it and that it is taken with food, might be the key, but
that would still leave you with doubts as to its effectiveness in her case.
I would try BOTH approaches.   Start by giving it regularly for a while,
then later on at some point stop it altogether.   If you notice
deterioration, you can resume it again right away.   We did that with my
mother in law with the doctor's knowledge.   In our case she DID get worse
when it was stopped, and she DID get better when it was resumed.

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Evelyn
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Gwen Love - 08 Mar 2006 20:34 GMT
June, I agree with Evelyn.  You really couldn't tell if the Aricept was
helping since it wasn't taken regularly.  Grayson's stomach was upset a
little for the first two weeks he was on it, but stopped after that.  I
always gave it to him myself, and only after a meal.  I think you should
have the nurse give it to her after a meal, and do it regularly.  Then you
can tell if it is helping or not.  If it definitely isn't, then stop it.  It
really did help with Grayson, especially his depression.
Gwen

>>I had a nice chat with the nurse and the owner of the assisted living
>>apartment where my mother is living.   A while back I posted that Mom was
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> mother in law with the doctor's knowledge.   In our case she DID get worse
> when it was stopped, and she DID get better when it was resumed.
Anthony Shipley - 09 Mar 2006 02:02 GMT
>June, I agree with Evelyn.  You really couldn't tell if the Aricept was
>helping since it wasn't taken regularly.  Grayson's stomach was upset a
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>can tell if it is helping or not.  If it definitely isn't, then stop it.  It
>really did help with Grayson, especially his depression.

For those who remember me reporting my nausea after taking my Reminyl, I
discovered that drastically reducing my excessive coffee intake, has resolved
the problem entirely.

anthony shipley

Run away with me; I can make you unhappy.
Evelyn Ruut - 09 Mar 2006 12:49 GMT
>>June, I agree with Evelyn.  You really couldn't tell if the Aricept was
>>helping since it wasn't taken regularly.  Grayson's stomach was upset a
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> resolved
> the problem entirely.

I am so glad to hear that Anthony.

Often it is something simple, like the time one takes a drug, or the amount
of water taken with it, that resolves the problem.
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Best Regards,

Evelyn
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Jo Ann Malina - 11 Mar 2006 11:55 GMT
June <ljbart@hotmail.com> is alleged to have said:
> I had mentioned that my brother and I decided to take Mom off of Aricept
> since it makes her sick.   The main thing was that it has always been up to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> even if I did he wouldn't understand.  When she did take it everyday I
> really didn't know if it did any good.

A patient always has the right to refuse a treatment.  In this case,
your brother with the POA can refuse the continued prescription for
Aricept for your mother.

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It is the duty of a doctor to prolong life and it is not his duty to
prolong the act of dying.    -- Thomas, Lord Horder

Dennis P. Harris - 11 Mar 2006 18:12 GMT
> A patient always has the right to refuse a treatment.  In this case,
> your brother with the POA can refuse the continued prescription for
> Aricept for your mother.

on the other hand, if it's upsetting her stomach, they might
follow evelyn's lead and try giving to her at a major mealtime.
i gather that most of the problem is that no one is yet
supervising her medications.  if this is not a major problem yet,
it will be eventually.  if the "new" medicare pharm benefit plan
will pay for it, they really should consider aricept + memantime
even if they have to pay somone to supervise and make sure she
takes her meds on schedule.
 
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