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It's Been a Long Trip

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mythster34@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2006 18:31 GMT
Years ago, I consulted a Jungian therapist after a  painful divorce (
they are all painful but this one was especially tough). I had been
referred to her by the Tavistock clinic in London where I was living at
the time. The therapist, an Austrian woman, had lived in Vienna most of
her life until, five years before our meeting. Her English was heavily
accented and between my American dialect and cultural references and
her own linguistic/cultural background we immediate found ourselves in
a quagmire. She was having a difficult time understanding what I was
trying to express even though I was taking pains to speak as slowly and
carefully as possible. I realized that her interpretation of my
emotional situation would probably be sketchy at best and my
comprehension of her analysis could be of limited value. I didn't
return after the first visit.

In The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley wrote:
"We live  together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always
and in all        circumstances we are by ourselves....We can  pool
information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves.
   From family to nation, every human group is a society of island
universes."

How can anyone, know where I'm going if he's never walked in my shoes?

Now at the age of 72, and becoming increasingly aware of my retreat
into the "sunset" of my mind, I look back on my experience and wonder
if there is anyone with whom I can "pool experience".
I have been studying Buddhism on and off since I was sixteen. I even
introduced my father to it at that time and he followed (some) of the
precepts until he died about 50 years later.
My introduction to Buddhist thought was through Suzuki and Alan Watts.
Mostly Zen at first but after years of inactivity, I resumed my
exploration by way of Tibetan Buddhism, first with a "New Kadampa"
group in Santa Barbara and then an "FPMT" group (Gelupa tradition) .
Finally after a few years of exploration, I realized that the Tibetan
Buddhist tradition, notwithstanding the current Dalai Lama, was not for
me or more accurately, I wasn't suited to the dogma and ritual so
implicit in the practice.

One of the pillars of the Tibetan tradition as far as I can determine,
is "Guru Yoga" which in the words of the Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso,
means "dedicating yourself to one's own teacher."  Innocuous as this
sounds, it is often extended to: " the dharmakaya, the transcendental
wisdom of the non-dual bliss and voidness
of all the buddhas. That is the absolute guru. This absolute   guru
manifests in various forms as there is the need, according   to our
karma, according to our mind."
according to the founder of the FPMT (Foundation for the Preservation
of the Mayahana Tradition), "Lama Yeshe".

The "Lamas" themselves are considered by Tibetan Buddhist  to be
reincarnations  or manifestations of holy beings and as such are
virtually infallible in their spiritual teachings. Having survived a
Roman Catholic I find this all far too familiar. Prostrating oneself
before a Lama, or venerating the relics of one deceased, takes me back
to the world of my childhood and one that I consciously rejected. This
is "Idolatry" which according to
Mahatma Ghandi:" is worship of stock and stone believing it to be God."

So I said "goodbye to the yellow (hat) road" and went on my way along
the road I started on so many years ago. But I'm no longer the man I
used to be and my diminishing short term memory is beginning to
frighten me. I have no clinical confirmation but I seriously believe
that I am on my way to senile dementia and I'm not sure what I should
do about it. When I gently explained my fears in a letter to my
daughter last week she wisely suggest I simply accept my "challenges"
and compensate as best I can but I'm afraid of sinking into the
vegetative state that my father-in-law succumbed to almost 20 years ago
and now lives in a nursing home a serious drain on his family's
emotions and - finances!

What would you do if you were me?
Tumbleweed - 24 Feb 2006 18:46 GMT
> So I said "goodbye to the yellow (hat) road" and went on my way along
> the road I started on so many years ago. But I'm no longer the man I
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> What would you do if you were me?

See a specialist and see if there is a problem (there may not be one), and
if there is, if it can be addressed.
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augustwestern - 24 Feb 2006 21:41 GMT
> > So I said "goodbye to the yellow (hat) road" and went on my way along
> > the road I started on so many years ago. But I'm no longer the man I
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> tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

Tumbleweed is correct. Don't decide you have dementia without getting a
quality professional workup. You might only need B-12 shots or thyroid
supplementation or something else simple. You really never know until you
have clinical proof.   best,  AW
Evelyn Ruut - 24 Feb 2006 22:53 GMT
> Years ago, I consulted a Jungian therapist after a  painful divorce (
> they are all painful but this one was especially tough). I had been
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> What would you do if you were me?

Mythster,

If I were you, I would get a total gerontological workup that includes
testing for everything known to cause memory issues.   There are many of
them which are actually curable, you know..... It would be a shame to simply
assume you have alzheimers, when it could be something like Normal Pressure
Hydrocephalus, B-12 shortage, Thyroid insufficiency, vascular problems etc.
etc. etc.

You should expect to have this include a CAT scan, blood tests and whatever
else they can come up with to find the cause.   If your doctor doesn't seem
inclined to go for all of this, change doctors if necessary.   You are
obviously an intelligent, thinking person, and it would be a shame not to
catch any curable problem in the bud.

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Best Regards,

Evelyn
(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')

Dennis P. Harris - 25 Feb 2006 07:49 GMT
> If I were you, I would get a total gerontological workup that includes
> testing for everything known to cause memory issues.   There are many of
> them which are actually curable, you know..... It would be a shame to simply
> assume you have alzheimers, when it could be something like Normal Pressure
> Hydrocephalus, B-12 shortage, Thyroid insufficiency, vascular problems etc.
> etc. etc.

what she said.

and i would add that any time a doctor won't take it seriously,
tells you it's "normal aging", or otherwise exhibits a lack of
knowledge about dementias and their cause, GET A NEW DOCTOR.
don't accept anything less than the full workup that evelyn
mentioned.

if it's AD, you will have time now to take drugs that can slow
down the inevitable; if it's some other treatable cause, you need
to know before more damage occurs.  causes can range from
depression to medications (statins, for example) to those evelyn
mentions.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 26 Feb 2006 23:42 GMT
If I were you, no question, I would see a doctor, be properly examined
and assessed, and get a diagnosis for whatever is going on.

There are many reasons I think that is a good plan. For starters, as
others have observed, there are a LOT of things that can affect memory,
mental clarity, emotional stability - and many are quite treatable. So,
by not going to the doctor, not only do you torture yourself with vague
fears, but you are ignoring your health. What if what is going on can
be treated, or needs to be seen to early to avoid permanent damage?

Even if it IS something irreversable like AD, there are medications
around now that can slow it down, and that can buy you and  your loved
ones more time with you still being functional and having a better
quality of life. Totally worth doing, if you still get to be a happy,
active, independent YOU enjoying life for even an extra year or two.

If it was AD, you also want to know, so you can make plans for what is
ahead - while you are still capable of doing that. It is a wonderful
gift to those you love to have your affairs in order, to have your
finances and will organized, to have expressed your preferences for
your future care, and end of life or funeral decisions.

If I had a terminal illness (which is what AD is), I'd rather know what
was coming, so I'd have the gift of a little time to mend fences,
finish some things, make some visits, label those photos, organize
papers, decide what to do with various possessions, clean out the home
- whatever a person has been meaning to do and hasn't got to.

I certainly would.

Don't make assumptions about what is wrong - go find out.

Mary G.
W.M.McKee - 27 Feb 2006 12:41 GMT
>Years ago, I consulted a Jungian therapist after a  painful divorce (
>they are all painful but this one was especially tough). I had been
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>What would you do if you were me?

What Evelyn and the others said is the only sensible approach. Have
yourself checked out and evaluated by those competent to diagnose.

On another note, I would say you are on the spiritual path that is
right for you... A little bit like the man on a solo voyage across a
vast ocean.... But is that  not the case with us all? You have my very
best wishes for only good things to come to you in your life.

I am here if you ever want to talk about it....

Will
 
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