On Friday just gone 16th,
I sacked my mothers doctor that she has been under at the nursing home
after he spent a considerable amount of time trying to cover his a- -e
in regards to The Squamous cell carcinoma on Mums scalp.
He tells me that" this is a basic plain old skin cancer and doesnt know
what I am going on about" as in his words "this is not an invasive
cancer at all", infact now more than 2 months later after he excised
the lump and left some behind,he has finally lifted the awful scab that
was left" and underneath it has healed wonderfully and he will remove
the rest that is left after xmas?" I dont think so.!!
According to him,this cancer will not travel or anything else of what I
have read here ,on the internet in various sites nor my Drs opinion
that I took Mum to for that second Opinion.
Can you believe this?
Michelle
Tumbleweed - 18 Dec 2005 09:26 GMT
> On Friday just gone 16th,
> I sacked my mothers doctor that she has been under at the nursing home
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> Can you believe this?
> Michelle
I found this from the first google hit;
http://www.skincancer.org/squamous/index.php
"Although SCCs usually remain confined to the epidermis for some time, they
eventually penetrate the underlying tissues if not treated".
So, if he caught it and removed it in time, then maybe it is just a 'plain
old skin cancer'.

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LJ - 18 Dec 2005 16:40 GMT
good for you
LJ
> On Friday just gone 16th,
> I sacked my mothers doctor that she has been under at the nursing home
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> Can you believe this?
> Michelle
Nati - 18 Dec 2005 20:33 GMT
My neighbor had Squamous cell carcinoma on his chest and it was very
ugly. He went to the best surgeon he found and the carcinoma was
remouved completely and he is ok. But as you say this is a delicate
operation and it has to be remouved completely if not it grows back.
Also it may come back in another part of the body so one has to be very
careful.
augustwestern - 19 Dec 2005 07:26 GMT
> On Friday just gone 16th,
> I sacked my mothers doctor that she has been under at the nursing home
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Can you believe this?
> Michelle
Hi Michelle, From what I've read a SCC of the skin has a 2-5% chance of
becoming invasive. While a SCC of the skin certainly isn't like having SCC
of the neck or lung, you still need to make sure your mom has an expert
follow-up on her care. That it healed so quickly is a good sign. I had one
removed from my leg over 3 months ago and it still hasn't healed completely.
Did the Dr say your mom would be a candidate for Moh's surgery? Look this up
as this is often used when they need to make sure the cancer has not invaded
downward. They keep slicing off slight amounts of skin until a pathologist
no longer finds any malignant cells. Radiation is another option. I suggest
you not get this treated by a GP but see someone who is an expert in skin
cancers. If you see redness or tenderness, suspect a recurrence. best,
AW
best, AW
michelle - 19 Dec 2005 13:02 GMT
Dear Augustwestern,
I thank you so much for your advice.I am now giving serious thought of
having Mum referred to a specialist in the New Year.
At present I am making the appropriate moves to remove Mum from the
Nursing home she is in.The papers go in for consideration
tomorrow.There is every possibility she will be transferred before
xmas.That gives us 5 days well 4 because they dont generally accept new
residents on a weekend.
Kind Regards
Michelle
augustwestern - 20 Dec 2005 06:10 GMT
> Dear Augustwestern,
> I thank you so much for your advice.I am now giving serious thought of
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> Kind Regards
> Michelle
Hi Michelle, It's fairly common for the Dr not to be able to get all of a
SCC on the first excision. After the biopsy comes back from the pathologist,
they then decide how much more of a margin needs to be taken on the second
excision. This is normal procedure. What concerned me was the description of
downward tongues growth mentioned in the biopsy report. Even if a SCC
doesn't become invasive, but does become recurrent, this would mean dealing
with a permanent sore that will be painful and need lots of attention. Have
your mother see an expert and do whatever you can to make sure they get it
all this time around. Make sure she gets good wound care also. best,
AW
michelle - 21 Dec 2005 09:24 GMT
Thankyou AW,you seem to know a lot about this do you work in this
field,your info has certainly been helpful to me,as is all the support
we receive in this forum.
Thankyou Michelle
augustwestern - 21 Dec 2005 20:01 GMT
> Thankyou AW,you seem to know a lot about this do you work in this
> field,your info has certainly been helpful to me,as is all the support
> we receive in this forum.
> Thankyou Michelle
Michelle, No I am not in the medical field. Past cancer treatments have
left me vulnerable to skin cancers so I deal with BCC and SCC all the time.
This year, of the 8-10 places I had biopsied, I had 2 SCC and one BCC.
I've been a full time caregiver for someone with dementia for a long time
and can truly appreciate the difficulty in dealing with physical problems in
someone who is unable to clearly tell you what the problem might be. What
can be a minor health problem for a normal adult can be a 24hr nightmare for
both the dementia person and their caregivers.
Right now our loved one's teeth are disintegrating and the dentist has no
options other than to pull them all. We chose not to have that done because
of the problems pulling them would create. In recent months, every few
minutes we have to explain what's going on, why the dentist can't fix them,
and then wait 2 minutes for the next round of questions and explanations to
begin. At least her teeth don't hurt or we'd really have problems.
best, AW
Evelyn Ruut - 22 Dec 2005 00:28 GMT
>> Thankyou AW,you seem to know a lot about this do you work in this
>> field,your info has certainly been helpful to me,as is all the support
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>
> best, AW
Hi August,
When we first took Ida to live with us her teeth were in a sorry state, and
that alone was odd, since she always had taken good care of them before.
She needed several teeth pulled and a new bridge, and some other work. She
had unexplainably lost her first bridge and we never could find it.
There were a couple of teeth that the doctor told us we'd be better off not
doing anything with, because they didn't hurt, and if they were disturbed
she'd need LOTS of new work done and that would be a really big deal. He
said she might pass away before they ever caused a problem, and that was
exactly what happened. But we did get her teeth fixed while she was at
least able to sit in the chair and permit it.
But just the dental work we did get done was still somewhat of a hassle.
Partly because she was unable to process the fact she'd even had a tooth
pulled! They told her not to wash her mouth out for a day or two and she
just kept on going into the bathroom to do just that. It was very
difficult controlling her, because she just couldn't remember.
When we got the new bridge (it was a removable one) we also had them engrave
her initials on it, because we feared she'd lose it if she was ever place in
a nursing home.
We insisted on getting her teeth as up to date as possible, because the
thought she might be hurting sometime in the future, and not be able to
explain it, was something we didn't want to happen.
Regards,
Evelyn
ncgen - 19 Dec 2005 13:41 GMT
My husband had one removed but it came back and looks horrible. He is
waiting now for an appt with a specialist. If you're getting second
opinions, I'd suggest a specialist rather than just the GP or
internalist the home uses for general care.
> On Friday just gone 16th,
> I sacked my mothers doctor that she has been under at the nursing home
> after he spent a considerable amount of time trying to cover his a- -e
> in regards to The Squamous cell carcinoma on Mums scalp.
michelle - 21 Dec 2005 09:27 GMT
Yes I am going to go with this as AugustWestern advises also.We will be
moving Mum from the current nursing home in the New Year and then I
will seek out a specialist
Regards Michelle