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A high fat, low carbohydrate diet improves Alzheimer's disease in mice

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Anthony Shipley - 12 Nov 2005 10:04 GMT
http://www.breakthroughdigest.com/html/a_high_fat__low_carbohydrate_d.html

Source: BioMed Central

A high fat, low carbohydrate diet improves Alzheimer's disease in mice

Study may also have implications for dieters

(Oct-2005) Mice with the mouse model of Alzheimer's disease show improvements in
their condition when treated with a high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet. A report
published in the peer-reviewed, open access journal Nutrition and Metabolism,
showed that a brain protein, amyloid-beta, which is an indicator of Alzheimer's
disease, is reduced in mice on the so-called ketogenic diet.

The report, by Samuel Henderson, from Accera, Inc, Colorado and colleagues from
Belgium runs counter to previous studies suggesting a negative effect of fat on
Alzheimer's disease.

"This work supports the premise that key aspects of Alzheimer's disease can be
altered by changes in metabolism. It also highlights the interaction of dietary
components and how such components influence the metabolic state", write the
authors.

The authors believe that insulin and the related hormone, insulin-related growth
factor-1 (IGF-1), are the key players. "Insulin is often considered a storage
hormone, since it promotes deposition of fat but insulin may also work to
encourage amyloid-beta production."

Richard Feinman, editor of the journal, explains the relation between nutrients:
"You might say that fat is the bomb, and insulin (from carbohydrate) is the
fuse. Most studies of the deleterious effects of fat have been done in the
presence of high carbohydrate. If carbs are high, dietary fat is not oxidized
and is instead stored as body fat." When carbohydrates are very low and fat is
high, compounds called ketone bodies are generated (ketosis) and these compounds
may play a role in the observed reduction in amyloid-beta. In association with a
group from University of Washington led by Dr. Suzanne Craft, Henderson has
previously shown cognitive improvement in patients with mild AD who were given a
diet that raises ketone bodies.

In an accompanying editorial, Feinman says, "Although it is too early to tell
how the results will fit into the treatment of AD, the implication for diet in
general is also important." The primacy of insulin as a control element is the
basis of popular weight-loss diets based on carbohydrate restriction. Such
regimens allow dieters to regulate fat and calorie intake by appetite alone as
long as carbohydrate intake remains minimal. Feinman points out, "Henderson's
effort is one of several recent studies that point the way to understanding
metabolism beyond the issues surrounding simple fat reduction."

And there's me been on a low fat diet.....
--
2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2.
Tumbleweed - 12 Nov 2005 21:22 GMT
> http://www.breakthroughdigest.com/html/a_high_fat__low_carbohydrate_d.html
>
> Source: BioMed Central
>
> A high fat, low carbohydrate diet improves Alzheimer's disease in mice

I'll bear that in mind if any of my mice develop Alzheimer's .

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John Inzer - 13 Nov 2005 03:24 GMT
> I'll bear that in mind if any
> of my mice develop Alzheimer's .
===================
How would you know
if your mouse had AD?

Gets lost in the maze?

Won't eat cheese?

Loves cats?

Sleeps in a trap?

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Evelyn Ruut - 13 Nov 2005 13:14 GMT
>> I'll bear that in mind if any of my mice develop Alzheimer's .
> ===================
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>
> Sleeps in a trap?

Hi John!   Good to see you posting!

:-)

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michelle - 13 Nov 2005 14:53 GMT
> >> I'll bear that in mind if any of my mice develop Alzheimer's .
> > ===================
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>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')
michelle - 13 Nov 2005 14:55 GMT
OOPs try again.
If the only true diagnosis for AD is a post mortem after death how do
they know? these mice have it for goodness sake
Evelyn Ruut - 13 Nov 2005 14:57 GMT
> OOPs try again.
> If the only true diagnosis for AD is a post mortem after death how do
> they know? these mice have it for goodness sake

It is usually a default diagnosis, after all other known causes are ruled
out.

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Tumbleweed - 13 Nov 2005 15:08 GMT
>> OOPs try again.
>> If the only true diagnosis for AD is a post mortem after death how do
>> they know? these mice have it for goodness sake
>
> It is usually a default diagnosis, after all other known causes are ruled
> out.

IIRC these mice are a strain which develop Az. Or more specifically, they
are a strain which have a condition which looks, post mortem, the same as Az
looks like in Humans.

http://www.alzheimers.org/nianews/nianews24.html

http://jaxmice.jax.org/library/notes/494e.html

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John Inzer - 13 Nov 2005 15:44 GMT
> Hi John!   Good to see you posting!
>
> :-)
============================
Hi Evelyn,

I'm still around but don't usually have
much to say. I must say my mice are
real happy about the study because
it convinced them to eat more cheese
burgers.

BTW...our family is still split up because
of the incident at the funeral over the
flowers. As if Rosie's death wasn't sad
enough, several relatives who used to
communicate with my wife regularly have
not spoken to her since the funeral.

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Evelyn Ruut - 13 Nov 2005 16:31 GMT
>> Hi John!   Good to see you posting!
>>
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> wasn't sad enough, several relatives who used to communicate with my wife
> regularly have not spoken to her since the funeral.

That's awful.  What was it that happened?
I don't recall you posting about that.
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John Inzer - 14 Nov 2005 00:57 GMT
> That's awful.  What was it that happened?
> I don't recall you posting about that.
================================
The original thread is archived on
Google Groups at the following link:
http://tinyurl.com/b9g4h

The incident begins with #12.

My wife told the niece that she expected
an apology and since that day...neither
she, her siblings or her mother has had
the decency to call my wife. Bear in mind
these are people who talked with my
wife on the phone almost daily before
the incident.

The facts are...we took care of Rosie
several years...we paid for the funeral...
we even had to pay for cleaning up the
gravesite and the stonework to add
Rosie's name to the headstone. And...
we are the bad guys?...go figure.

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Karen - 14 Nov 2005 04:05 GMT
John, I know from experience that some relatives enhance your life by their
absence.  That kid sounds like one of them.  I have to wonder if the others
are taking her side or just trying to duck and not get involved.

I think people freak out at funerals because in some weird way it makes them
feel in control of _something_ when confronted with the powerlessness we
have against some things in life.  Of course, once they show their butt,
they have a big investment in being right.  If they were in tune with
themselves enough to know "Ohmigawd!  I've been a horse's a.s!" they
probably would have been aware enough to avoid the situation in the first
place.  Others seem to think that the more stink they kick up, the more they
cared about the deceased (usually the ones that have done little and have
reason to feel guilty about it).

IMO, nothing can get as weird as family.  YMMV.
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> > That's awful.  What was it that happened?
> > I don't recall you posting about that.
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> Rosie's name to the headstone. And...
> we are the bad guys?...go figure.
John Inzer - 14 Nov 2005 05:52 GMT
> John, I know from experience that some relatives enhance
> your life by their absence.  That kid sounds like one of
> them.  
==========================================
It just saddens me because I know my wife enjoyed
communicating with her relatives. Not only did she
lose her mother (who she was entirely dedicated to)
but the pain is compounded by this nonsense.
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> I have to wonder if the others are taking her side
> or just trying to duck and not get involved.
==========================================
You make a good point and I suspect it's a little of both.
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> I think people freak out at funerals because in some
> weird way it makes them feel in control of _something_
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>
> IMO, nothing can get as weird as family.  YMMV.
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You are so right...and I agree with you.

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Evelyn Ruut - 14 Nov 2005 12:04 GMT
>> That's awful.  What was it that happened?
>> I don't recall you posting about that.
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> Rosie's name to the headstone. And...
> we are the bad guys?...go figure.

Hi John,

I read the whole thread and remembered the incident.

What is particularly sad is that over something so very small, there has
been this family rift.

Family fights are seldom about the actual incident, it is usually something
that runs much deeper, jealousy, greed, envy...... you know how it goes.
Emotions that lie just under the surface and fester for years.

It just makes no sense to have a family rift over a lousy potted plant.   I
hope the time comes when they make up.
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John Inzer - 14 Nov 2005 17:22 GMT
> Hi John,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> It just makes no sense to have a family rift over a lousy
> potted plant.   I hope the time comes when they make up.
==================================
Hi Evelyn,

I suspect the jealousy, greed and envy factors
are a part of this issue but the fact remains that
it was initiated over a potted plant.

Sad? For sure...but unless an apology is offered
my wife refuses to communicate with them.

Truth be told...they probably think an apology is
owed to them also. The standoff will continue until
someone gives in.

I guess Rosie was the glue that was holding this
family together.

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Evelyn Ruut - 14 Nov 2005 18:37 GMT
>> Hi John,
>>
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>
> I guess Rosie was the glue that was holding this family together.

Hi John,

Then if both sides are expecting or demanding an apology and neither one
will give in, over something so trivial, that is very sad.

They do throw all plants and flowers away the minute after the ceremonies
are all over with.   When my mom's funeral was over, we asked several people
to take some home with them, but of course it was our option to offer them.
Nobody demanded their flowers back.    My mom was to be cremated, so there
was no place to put the flowers unless we took them with us.

The daycare center where Ida went had a deal with a funeral home.   They
sent the unclaimed (but still quite fresh) flowers to the daycare center,
that were suitable for the old folks to re-arrange.

The daycare folks dismantled all the professional arrangements and just put
them in vases.    Ida would choose a few nice ones, make up a bunch, and
bring home a bouquet like it was her personal gift to me, many times and I
always made a big fuss about the beautiful flowers she gave me.    I always
said a silent prayer for the person whose flowers they may have originally
been.

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John Inzer - 14 Nov 2005 19:01 GMT
> Hi John,
>
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> she gave me.    I always said a silent prayer for the
> person whose flowers they may have originally been.
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I wish Rosie's flowers had been earmarked for
the nursing home...then maybe this stupidity would
have never happened.

Anyway...thanks for your thoughts on the issue...
you're always on target.

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Tumbleweed - 13 Nov 2005 18:19 GMT
>> Hi John!   Good to see you posting!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> it convinced them to eat more cheese
> burgers.

Make sure they dont have the lite beer to wash it down :-)
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John Inzer - 14 Nov 2005 00:30 GMT
> Make sure they dont have the lite
> beer to wash it down :-)
=========================
Certainly not  :o)

Nothing but Colt 45 40's for my mice.

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Gwen Love - 14 Nov 2005 21:55 GMT
Gohn, that is so childish of them, and they are the losers!
Gwen

>> Hi John!   Good to see you posting!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> of the incident at the funeral over the flowers. As if Rosie's death
> wasn't sad enough, several relatives who used to communicate with my
wife
> regularly have not spoken to her since the funeral.
>
> --
>
> John Inzer
Tumbleweed - 14 Nov 2005 22:18 GMT
but they like cheeseburgers :-)

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> Gohn, that is so childish of them, and they are the losers!
> Gwen
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>>
>> John Inzer
John Inzer - 15 Nov 2005 00:17 GMT
> but they like cheeseburgers :-)
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I'd like to see them eat a few crowburgers  :o)

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John Inzer - 15 Nov 2005 00:15 GMT
> Gohn, that is so childish of them,
> and they are the losers! Gwen
==========================
You're too kind  :o)

Maybe someday it will heal.

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Karen - 13 Nov 2005 16:42 GMT
Anthony, that ties with something I heard about seratonin levels going off
for people with ALZ.  They've known for years that cholesterol helps boost
your seratonin uptake.  I wonder if they studied what types of fats help --
mono, poly or even plain old butter?  Otherwise, it seems like the challenge
would be to manage the diet so you don't keel over from a coronary.

Seems like I remember an article awhile back about high intake of olive oil
and fatty fish being tied to a lowered incidence of ALZ.  I think it was
when the studies of health benefits on a Mediterranean diet came out in the
news.  My memory is vague on the details but I can dig a bit if you're
interested.

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> http://www.breakthroughdigest.com/html/a_high_fat__low_carbohydrate_d.html
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> showed that a brain protein, amyloid-beta, which is an indicator of Alzheimer's
> disease, is reduced in mice on the so-called ketogenic diet.
----snip----
LJ - 13 Nov 2005 21:43 GMT
that is very interesting

LJ

> Anthony, that ties with something I heard about seratonin levels going off
> for people with ALZ.  They've known for years that cholesterol helps boost
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> news.  My memory is vague on the details but I can dig a bit if you're
> interested.
 
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