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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / November 2005keep a good thought
We are about to go see the second Neuro. I pray she will give him some meds Linda Jean > We are about to go see the second Neuro. I pray she will give him some > meds > > Linda Jean Linda you are going with the best wishes of every member of this little group. I think I can say that with some certainty! GOOD LUCK!  SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > Re: keep a good thought > Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Fri, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > meds > Linda Jean >> Evelyn: >> Linda you are going with the best [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Best Regards, >> Evelyn Ronny: Amen! Would a "severe depression" cause this behavior and him not seem depressed? Linda Jean Ronny: Amen! > Would a "severe depression" cause this behavior and him not seem > depressed? > > Linda Jean I don't think so. Depression often is associated with Alzheimers, but it is only common sense to think that a normally happy, productive individual might experience some perfectly legitimate sorrow when encountering the awful kinds of deficits that come up when the disease makes itself evident. It is a different ballgame than depression by itself. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') yes he even told the doctor that being down about all this seemed like a reasonable thing He has never had a depression issues in his life Linda Jean > > Would a "severe depression" cause this behavior and him not seem > > depressed? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > awful kinds of deficits that come up when the disease makes itself evident. > It is a different ballgame than depression by itself. >> Would a "severe depression" cause this behavior and him not seem >> depressed? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > awful kinds of deficits that come up when the disease makes itself > evident. It is a different ballgame than depression by itself. Depends - In dementia, the brain's inability to use certain chemicals is very much like depression, which is why antidepressants help. It's the extent to which this medication can help which is part of what differentiates a progressive disease like dementia from one which can be stabilized, like depression (or so says my primary care doc, whom I asked when FIL w/dementia was prescribed Paxil). Not caring about hygiene, getting very short tempered, being despondent and giving up hope, a carelessness about doing things (not watching if you are washing dishes effectively, putting things away in different places, not remembering things you've been told or things you need to do) are all symptoms of depression. In fact, when my husband is depressed (like when family members have passed on) he forgets things I've directly expressed to him and denies I ever said it in the exact way others have described AD LO's do. I start to worry that the dementia his dad had is hereditary. Then it goes away when the depression lifts. Did the neurologist seem to be hinting that this was depression from retiring and not something degenerative? Adelle Hubby isn't retired and but for this dementia we have no stress nor issues causing trouble. The symptoms started about 2 years ago but got noticeably worse 6 months ago when I had to be away for 4 weeks to help my daughter Linda Jean evident. It is a different ballgame than depression by itself. > Depends - In dementia, the brain's inability to use certain chemicals is > very much like depression, which is why antidepressants help. It's the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Adelle > Hubby isn't retired and but for this dementia we have no stress nor issues > causing trouble. The symptoms started about 2 years ago but got noticeably > worse 6 months ago when I had to be away for 4 weeks to help my daughter All the more reason to try and get the clearest diagnosis that medical science can come up with. You need to know what you are treating and to know how to treat it. BTW, my mother in law was on antidepressants soon after diagnosis. It helped enormously. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > Linda Jean >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Adelle > Hubby isn't retired and but for this dementia we have no stress nor issues > causing trouble. The symptoms started about 2 years ago but got noticeably > worse 6 months ago when I had to be away for 4 weeks to help my daughter depression is often not related to stress or other issues, it's simply a brain chemistry imbalance. > Would a "severe depression" cause this behavior and him not seem depressed? what do you mean by "seem depressed"? some of the symptoms that you mentioned sounded like depression to me --- not eating, not interested in anything, not wanting to go out or have visitors, sleeping poorly, irritable... and yes, severe depression can indeed cause very bad memory problems. my mom always had memory problems when she was despressed. He has never been a negative person. Always a positive attitude. I guess that is what I mean. I think of depression as a feeling of hopelessness or despair. Not of using the wrong word for things nor forgetting what a closet is. He has never had a hobby nor any personal friends, not since Vietnam so that isn't a change but rather a lifestyle. He has sleep apnea (very mild) and as a rule sleeps 12 hours a day lol Untitled Normal Page > > Would a "severe depression" cause this behavior and him not seem depressed? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > problems. my mom always had memory problems when she was > despressed. thank you all I can't believe how much we gained by this appointment! Within 3 hours they called to tell me they had approval for the Neuro-Psych test, the Pet scan, the heavy metal blood test and another mri for his neck! I already have an appointment set for the Neuro-Psych test!!!! I read over all of the scripts she gave me for the tests. It lists MCI and EOAD and depression as possible causes. I will get the rest of the tests set up today. I feel as if we are finally going to get some help. Thank you everyone for your help and advice. Oh he stopped taking the statin a week ago just to see if that is causing some of this Untitled Normal Page > > We are about to go see the second Neuro. I pray she will give him some > > meds [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > GOOD LUCK! > thank you all > I can't believe how much we gained by this appointment! Within 3 hours [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Oh he stopped taking the statin a week ago just to see if that is causing > some of this Oh Linda Jean, I am SOOOOOO happy that you are finally getting somewhere with that insurance company and with your medical people. Do it all as soon as you can possibly get the appointments in line. At least if you get a real diagnosis you will know what to do from there on in. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') I figure to take whatever appointment I can get and let the rest of our stuff wait ;-) Linda Jean > > thank you all > > I can't believe how much we gained by this appointment! Within 3 hours [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Do it all as soon as you can possibly get the appointments in line. At > least if you get a real diagnosis you will know what to do from there on in. I'm kinda fascinated they would list MCI as a "cause" of what you are seeing, since MCI is NOT a diagnosis, but a description of symptoms. See this http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic714.htm Mary G. I agree, I went and looked the initials up to make sure there wasn't some other disease with same "name". The Neuro-Psych tests lists possible FTD also Linda Jean > I'm kinda fascinated they would list MCI as a "cause" of what you are > seeing, since MCI is NOT a diagnosis, but a description of symptoms. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mary G. It's not really a diagnosis but justification to the insurance company as to why we are doing this test. That's why you will also see a bunch a diagnoses listed with the notation R/O "rule out" in front of it. It doesn't mean the doctor thinks you have it or doesn't -- it's *why* he needs the test. yes but those R/O are the possibilities the symptoms suggest <s> I figure if this can turn out to be depression we can get our lives back ! But 5 other doctors figure it is AD so I don't want to count on it hahaha Linda Jean > It's not really a diagnosis but justification to the insurance company > as to why we are doing this test. That's why you will also see a bunch > a diagnoses listed with the notation R/O "rule out" in front of it. It > doesn't mean the doctor thinks you have it or doesn't -- it's *why* he > needs the test. For example, I am now undergoing some tests to R/O liver cancer, R/O hepatitis, R/O pancreatitis, R/O biliary dyskinesia. It is extremely unlikely that I have ALL of those. (Most likely dx is the last one, which just means the gallbladder comes out.) But the doc would be negligent if he didn't check for all the others as well -- because the symptoms fit those too. I always figure it is easier when you *know* what you are dealing with, even if it's not the answer you want. There's no easy one-pill answer to depression, either, especially at the level that would cause such symptoms by itself. Just take it one step at a time and be grateful you have gotten the wheels moving. Early diagnosis (of whatever) is ALWAYS your friend. Songbird > For example, I am now undergoing some tests to R/O liver cancer, R/O > hepatitis, R/O pancreatitis, R/O biliary dyskinesia. It is extremely [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Songbird Songbird, I hope it turns out to be the very least of all those possibilities. BTW, if it does turn out to be gallbladder, I had mine out a few years ago and it solved a lot of stuff for me. :-) SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Good Luck to you Linda Jean > For example, I am now undergoing some tests to R/O liver cancer, R/O > hepatitis, R/O pancreatitis, R/O biliary dyskinesia. It is extremely [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Songbird Linda Jean, that is wonderful news. No matter what the diagnosis, knowing is so much better than wondering. Good luck on all of this. Gwen > thank you all > I can't believe how much we gained by this appointment! Within 3 hours [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> GOOD LUCK! thanks Gwen, I think so too :-) Linda Jean > Linda Jean, that is wonderful news. No matter what the diagnosis, knowing > is so much better than wondering. Good luck on all of this. > Gwen > I read over all of the scripts > she gave me for the tests. It lists MCI and EOAD and depression as possible > causes. did you ask about the effects of the statins he's taking? lipicor is known to cause memory problems, as are other statins. John is off them for more than a week now just to see if it is contributing to all of this. He has been taking them for 5 or 6 years. Symptoms only began about 2 years ago Linda Jean > > I read over all of the scripts > > she gave me for the tests. It lists MCI and EOAD and depression as possible > > causes. > > did you ask about the effects of the statins he's taking? > lipicor is known to cause memory problems, as are other statins. > We are about to go see the second Neuro. I pray she will give him some > meds > > Linda Jean Give 'em hell......and BTW Good Luck! I am not sure how well I did but I sure tried <s>. She talked to hubby a great deal. Gave him the usual silly tests. He did the list animals in 1 minute deal again for her and got maybe 15-18 but she gave him hints. I think you should get around 30? She did mention about maybe he could work while the tests were being done and I spoke up at that one! I reminded her he has gotten lost on freeways and he designs aircraft!!!! So she agreed to keeping him off work until something gets fixed. Linda Jean > > We are about to go see the second Neuro. I pray she will give him some > > meds > > > > Linda Jean > > Give 'em hell......and BTW Good Luck! As a frequent flier myself and the wife of one as well, thank you for watching out for us too, LJ! I'm glad you are getting somewhere. Please keep us posted! Songbird My husband has always taken great pride in his safety record. He would never want to put others at risk :-) Linda Jean > As a frequent flier myself and the wife of one as well, thank you for > watching out for us too, LJ! > > I'm glad you are getting somewhere. Please keep us posted! > > Songbird |
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