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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / November 2005nurseing home
Hi all, you all have helped me so m a ney times, I am back with another question. This is so hard. Have any of you ever been approached by your father as if you were not his daughter. Today my father said to me how pretty I am and said he would like me to be his sweetie. I calmly said I am your oldest daughter his reply was he did not know that. I felt sick there have been money times he has not known me but this was like a sexual thing. I hope someone can give me advice on this one. My father has really went down hill in the last two weeks. He thinks he needs a job here at my house to make money. He used to go to the race track every day. When he first got sick we would take him a couple times awake. But he got to the point where betting a $100 a day was not enough. He was just throwing his money away. He did not know what he was doing. What kind of things can I have him do to keep him content? I do not want him doing work around here, I am afried he would hurt himself. He wants to make money for the race track. I know he gets bored watching TV but he has no interests. I take care of three of my grandkids on the weekdays, he is not very nice to the 5 and 7yr old. In fact he hit both of them once, they were running and he grabbed the oldest by his hood of his shirt he started crying so the 5yr old hit my dad so he would let go and my dad hit him upside his head. I was in the bathroom so it took me a while to get to them. I saw him hit the youngest. The boys told me what happened I saw RED. I told him never to touch them again he wanted to argue with me about what brats they are. I took the boys and walked out of the room. I am telling you all this because I think it may be time to put him in a home but I know me the first time he is upset I would bring him back home. Most of the time I have to show him where his bedroom is and like I said he has been here for 15mos. Sorry about the book I just wrote but I had to vent. THANK YOU! s valentine S. Valentine, Yes, many of us have had the same experiences with our loved ones. Some people who have dementia develop hypersexuality. They don't remember that you're their daughter, you're just someone that is paying attention to them. It can be horribly disturbing, but as we always try to remember, it's not them it's the disease. Now, I'm just wondering why you want to keep him in your home? Is it for financial reasons? You don't need to answer to us, it's none of our business, but you do need to ask yourself that question. Hitting your grandchildren is unacceptable.They're obviously not safe when he's around. Well, you're not always going to be in the same room, and the children are not safe with him. His anger could escalate and something horrible may happen. Are you willing to take that chance? You say that the first time he is upset you would bring him home. I wonder why? He will probably be upset, but he will also adjust, be around people who are like him and provide him with companionship, and he'll be kept busy with various activities and talking with his peers. It's not a horrible thing to do to him, it's actually a very loving decision to make. You need to give him a chance to enjoy the rest of his time here on this earth, and you have the right to have your grandchildren in your home, without fear that they will be hurt. I'm not judging you, but you really need to question why you want him at home when it would appear that he definitely needs to be placed in a residence that deals specifically with persons with dementia. For his safety, your safety, and your grandchildren's safety, I hope you can find it in your heart to do the right thing. Take care, Patty > Hi all, you all have helped me so m a ney times, I am back with another > question. This is so hard. Have any of you ever been approached by your [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > has been here for 15mos. Sorry about the book I just wrote but I had to > vent. THANK YOU! s valentine > I'm not judging you, but you really need to question why you want him at > home when it would appear that he definitely needs to be placed in a > residence that deals specifically with persons with dementia. > > For his safety, your safety, and your grandchildren's safety, I hope you can > find it in your heart to do the right thing. I have to agree. It sounds like it's time to consider placement in a facility, especially if he is getting violent. You have to remember that 1) he can't remember something from 5 minutes ago, or maybe last week or last month and 2) because he can't remember long enough to hold a logical sequence of thoughts, he can no longer reason. Trying to reason with him is useless. If he gets violent when he's upset, it's not safe to have the children there, and perhaps not you either. While there are drugs that can help deal with agitation, if I were in your shoes I'd be out looking at facilities already. Dennis, thank you for your reply. You and Pat have gave me alot to think about. s valentine >You have to remember that 1) he can't remember something from 5 >minutes ago, or maybe last week or last month That pretty much describes me..... > and 2) because he >can't remember long enough to hold a logical sequence of >thoughts, he can no longer reason. Now that is not _necessarily_ true. In my case, I probably still have the faculties of the average person over the age of 50. My reasoning is pretty good but doesn't extend to complexity. Despite, I still have the faculty and ability of most...... repeating myself, I see :-) Despite the above, I'm inclined to believe that carers understate the abilities of those under care to make it easier for themselves -- I can understand that but don't believe that carers are always honest in what they say and their dealings with the person(s) they are caring for. -- 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. >>You have to remember that 1) he can't remember something from 5 >>minutes ago, or maybe last week or last month [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > but don't believe that carers are always honest in what they say and their > dealings with the person(s) they are caring for. You are not entitled to speak for others, only for yourself. I hate to say this Anthony, but I do pity your poor family because I don't think you see yourself nor do you assess your own abilities clearly. It screams from every assumption about others that you post.  SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Wow Evelyn, Given all your experience, this post is just plain mean. I don't see that it provides any helpful information to the original poster or to Anthony. Anthony was not speaking for others he was very clearly stating his opinion which I find valuable. I also think that in some cases, there's some truth to what he says. MEG > You are not entitled to speak for others, only for yourself. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Sorry you found it to be so. I said what I believed to be true. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > Wow Evelyn, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') As I read this string, I remembered how my MIL viewed us as over-controlling and sometimes even wicked and out to destroy her life. It didn't matter that we had three doctors telling us something had to be done and a fourth threatening to call Protective Services if we didn't do something. She couldn't remember the events that led to our decisions that she shouldn't drive, couldn't continue to live alone in her home, etc. She didn't understand the lecture one doc gave me in front of her about my legal liabilities and moral obligations of not taking actions that I knew were needed. Thirty minutes after the lecture, she didn't remember it happened so any actions I took were completely off base and uncalled for (in her world). To her friends, our actions were completely unnecessary. However, they weren't trying to figure out how she vanished for 4-5 hours in a small town when she was driving to a location that was perhaps 2 miles away. They also weren't worried when she mentioned proudly that the man that lives on the street came by looking for work but she didn't let him into the house THIS TIME. The ability to reason depends a great deal on the ability remember all facts needed for making a decision. A person with diagnosed dementia by definition can not evaluate their situation adequately. It is a cognitive disorder. Yes, they still have rights. Yes, their dignity should be preserved. But my MIL didn't remember the three incidents of wandering that led to her confinement in the Dementia wing of the ALF in her hometown. If you asked her, we were being overprotective. She didn't remember them, therefore they didn't happen. And I learned quickly not to bother trying to explain because to her, the events I based my decisions on were as real as the story of Hansel and Gretel. From this point of view, I view complaints about overprotective caregivers along the same lines as that of teenagers complaining about overprotective parents. Possibly merited or possibly the caregiver is operating with a base of knowledge the person with dementia can not retain and apply. Sorry if this is too long of a post, it's been a sore subject a few times. Like with parenting, you can't always make necessary protective decisions that all parties will like. Is pointing this out being mean or honest? I don't know the answer but, to me, honesty is a form of respect. Karen Karen, I agree completely! Gwen > As I read this string, I remembered how my MIL viewed us as > over-controlling [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Karen Karen, Thanks so much for this posting. I agree with it completely as it nearly mirrored our experience with my mother in law. It was hell getting her into a situation where we could even begin to care for her. She was completely unable to recognize her own deficits, or the progressive nature of them. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > As I read this string, I remembered how my MIL viewed us as > over-controlling [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Karen Evelyn, At the time we were going through it, it was a very Twilight Zone-ish kind of experience to have all of these senior citizen friends of my MIL telling us there was nothing wrong and we were overreacting. One of those "Am I crazy?" moments. I could understand that my MIL couldn't remember the events that led us to conclude that she could no longer take care of herself, but I still have to wonder about the friends that said they didn't see any problems. Denial? or EOAD as well? I finally decided that sometimes you just have to say "To hell with public opinion" and go with what you think is the right thing to do. And I had better peace of mind after I stopped trying to convince my MIL. She couldn't retain the points of the discussion that made sense. It was almost like AD had turned her binoculars around and all she could see was the small picture Karen > Karen, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > completely unable to recognize her own deficits, or the progressive nature > of them. I understand that. My husband often thinks I am only trying to torment him and that in a week or so he will be going back to work. LindaJean > Evelyn, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Karen I know what you mean. I was made my mom's guardian and it went over like a lead balloon. She just did not remember me and why was I doing this to her. I will never forget the first time she looked at me and said "you not my daughter" or when she said "why are you trying to control me LIFE". I also had a lovely Doctor lecture me on my legal and moral responsibilities. The sad thing is mom looked at him and said stop yelling at my daughter. And the best helpful things came from my brother and sister, they would not take care of mom or even give her meds, they acted like Alzheimer is like a cold. I personally choose the take care of her and dad. Moving to my home was a nightmare. I have a ranch and a big house; the only saving grace was I have a blue and white kitchen. For some reason, Mom was ok after seeing the Kitchen. There are some great groups to help but I know it is the hardest decision of your life. I have become a well-read caregiver. I have completed my nursing and I take care of Alzheimer people but still the Doctors are so unfeeling and preachy. So when that DOCTOR starts on you, scream, go to another doctor, tell to he shut-up or walk out. Doctor are not special person, not gods or any better than you. I can tell you that Doctors are not walking in your shoes, so he is talking out of turn. Yes, I am the nurse that doctors hates. I have walked that road and they will not preach to me. I mean this do not take a doctor lecturing you on what you have to do, just take it with a grain of salt. > Evelyn, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > completely unable to recognize her own deficits, or the progressive nature > > of them. I also have a number of books. You might want to read one. The more data you have the better you can do. The Forgettting : Alzheimer's Portrait of an Epidemic by David Shenk What the Doctor May Not Tell You Aboubt Alzheimer's Disease by MD Gayatri Devi and Deborah Mitchelll Alzheimer's A Cargivers's Guide and Sourcebook by Howeard Gruetzner The 36-Hour Day by Nancy L. Mace MA and Peter V. Rabins MD, MPH ( best one ) to name a few: The books hopefully will help > I know what you mean. I was made my mom's guardian and it went over like a > lead balloon. She just did not remember me and why was I doing this to her. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > nature > > > of them. > Given all your experience, this post is just plain mean. I don't see > that it provides any helpful information to the original poster or to > Anthony. Anthony was not speaking for others he was very clearly > stating his opinion which I find valuable. I also think that in some > cases, there's some truth to what he says. unfortunately, anthony also suffers from something very common and well documented with folks who have a dementia: he can't recognize his own deficiencies, but he is defensive about his capabilities to the extreme, and considers any comment regarding protecting LOs with dementia or stopping people with AD from driving to be personal attacks on himself. there may indeed be some truth to what he says, but unfortunately he suffers from that blind spot of having no insight into his condition. I am well aware that those with dementia aren't always capable of recognizing their own deficiencies. However, I'm not going to assume anything about someone I don't know and I don't think it's beneficial to attack a person with ALZ about their abilities anyway, whether it's the truth or not. By the way, early on, my mother was very rational about her Alzheimer's. She was 83 when she was diagnosed and was just starting to have difficulty with complex tasks such as balancing her check book. She could still cook up a storm, care for herself, her house and big garden, administer her complex medications (and her dog's). I had been noticing some decline, but chalked it up to old age and over-dependence on me. She was the one to address the issue with her physcian. The minute she got the diagnosis, she relinquished her keys to the car. She's been cooperative about moving to assisted living and now a memory care facility. I think because of early diagnosis, the medication preserved her ability to think rationally for about 1 1/2 years despite ALZ. About 6 months ago due to a number of events, she took a big decline and has required full time care since then. Now, she has plenty instances of over-estimating her abilities. She sometines thinks she can take her own medication, knit complicated sweaters, cook, and live independently. But it has become evident that when ever I argue with her about her skills she just becomes more entrenched. >I am well aware that those with dementia aren't always capable of > recognizing their own deficiencies. However, I'm not going to assume > anything about someone I don't know and I don't think it's beneficial > to attack a person with ALZ about their abilities anyway, whether it's > the truth or not. I freely admit that I assume that if one is able to be diagnosed with alzheimers in the first place, then it is pretty much a certainty that there are measurable deficits. Doctors are VERY careful about making such a diagnosis, and we have seen evidence of that right in this forum only recently.... If anything, sometimes they are even TOO cautious. Yes, I think everything ought to be done that can be done, to preserve the persons dignity, to make them feel OK about themselves, but I absolutely draw the line about driving a vehicle. Public safety should come before someones hurt feelings and wounded masculine pride. I personally don't think that any person (who has been diagnosed) has the right to go hurtling down the road in several thousand pounds of steel, or that I shouldn't offend their delicate sensibilities by suggesting that they might not be able to judge his own abilities. This is an illness in which the sufferers are usually unable to recognize their own deficits or even to recall if they ever had any. We have restrictions on alcohol use, use of cell phones while driving, etc. How much worse is measurable impairment with a progressive brain disease? If I were diagnosed with alzheimers, I hope my family has the sense to take away my keys, and fast. Should a persons personal wishes take precedence over the right of others to be safe on the roads? I don't want my children and grandchildren on the same roads as an impaired person, no matter what the cause of it. And I don't care who the person is, they should either stay home or get someone else to drive them around. I think Anthony is probably a very nice fellow and I offer him sympathy, good wishes, prolonged good health, and as easy a journey with this illness as anyone ever could possibly have. But he needs to ask someone else whether he still has the ability or the right to drive, because I would prefer to err on the side of caution and I will ALWAYS say that if one has sufficient deficits as to be diagnosed, they ought to hang up the car keys. That is just my take on it, and I don't think I will change my mind. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >I am well aware that those with dementia aren't always capable of > recognizing their own deficiencies. However, I'm not going to assume > anything about someone I don't know and I don't think it's beneficial > to attack a person with ALZ about their abilities anyway, whether it's > the truth or not. I agree that it's not beneficial to dispute with a person with ALZ about their abilities - usually. However, in a public forum such as this, it is necessary to speak up and not defer to an individual with ALZ. If people feel that they cannot dispute statements from an ALZ-diagnosed individual here, then information will be lost and an incorrect impression may be gathered by the many lurkers. It also would be patronizing and perhaps harmful to the dignity of the ALZ-diagnosed individual. Maybe that would be necessary at some point, but I think Anthony can take it . I think the thread on driving abilities influenced this thread. I want to add that once someone has witnessed the devastation that an impaired driver can create they might not be very tolerant of anything less than the best possible driving. Joan As I said, IMO, honesty is a form of respect. That is a good point, a lot of people do drop in and lurk. If there are sufficient deficits to result in a diagnosis of dementia, I can't see how one could risk everyone else's life on the road by continuing to drive. I saw enough with my MIL to curl my hair. Then I saw her driving record and it made me realize "How long has this been going on?" Just for the record (take note Ronny :-) I don't think it's an issue with masculine pride -- after all, my MIL had the same problem. I think it's more probably a desire to feel in control coupled with denial. But helping it is a generous dose of forgotten near misses and even forgotten accidents. You can't make good decisions if you can't remember all the facts to factor into the decisions. Karen ----snip---- > I agree that it's not beneficial to dispute with a person with ALZ about > their abilities - usually. However, in a public forum such as this, it is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Joan >It also would be patronizing and perhaps harmful to the dignity of the >ALZ-diagnosed individual. Maybe that would be necessary at some point, but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >can create they might not be very tolerant of anything less than the best >possible driving. Nobody has -- ever -- asked to have the car stopped so they can get out. Certainly, there will come a time when it's necessary for me to restrict driving partially or entirely (Night driving has been out since the dignosis). In fact, The only argument we have here is that some people assert a right to judge without any of the pertinent symptoms. This endless, albeit rather amusing thread, merely demonstrates the rush of some to judgement without objective knowledge. We all make judgements but none of us are infallible. Correction, only carers are infallable! This thread demonstrates not the refusal on my part to accept failing faculties but rather judgement by a few others without factual knowledge, a.k.a. arrogance and blatant stupidity. Most likely, it's caused by grief and the hardship of caring for a loved one. I hope the pain I cause you now will be ameliorated by greater clarity in the future. Let's look at it slightly differently. I think it's safe to assume that much, if not most, of our respective road deaths result from alcohol excess. By law, in both countries, driving beyond a certain measure of blood alcohol is illegal. I also assume that deaths due to somebody driving under the influence of alcohol are greater than deaths due to driver's suffering from Alzheimer's. Has the good old U.S.A. invoked laws banning anybody who drinks any alcohol at all from driving at all? I think not! -- 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. Anthony, I never asked my MIL to stop the car and let me drive. For one thing, I knew she wouldn't have done it. In her mind, there was no problem. I know that my friend with retinitis pigmentosa had her license yanked shortly after diagnosis even though she could see (in her opinion) well enough to continue driving. Someone I know with a sleep disorder was also told not to drive even though he could tell hours ahead when he would have to sleep and had had no accidents. Some diagnosis mean driving restrictions -- simply by the very nature of what has to be affected to make the diagnosis. We filter the facts you've told us and you've not mentioned any driving tests to confirm your driving skills are up to speed although you have mentioned forgetting where you were going and taking longer to get there. Have you _asked_ your doctor if he thinks you should be driving? Stating that your doc has no problems with you driving would probably answer all comments. Aside from that and however unpleasant it may be, you aren't at the stage (as far as I can tell across the net) where I would simply humor you and go along with whatever you say. As I said, honesty is a form of respect. I think the comments and conversation are a way of expressing the fear that one day we'll hear about some guy named Shipley that forgot where he was and was found a week later in the next town over or couldn't find the brake and plowed someone down. When you're a caregiver, the news stories about people with ALZ and/or dementia that have driving incidents stand out like a spotlight. Karen > Nobody has -- ever -- asked to have the car stopped so they can get out. > Certainly, there will come a time when it's necessary for me to restrict driving [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- > 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. >Have you _asked_ your doctor if he thinks you should be driving? Stating >that your doc has no problems with you driving would probably answer all >comments. I've also posted before that my neurologist does not currently have any problem with me driving. >Aside from that and however unpleasant it may be, you aren't at the stage >(as far as I can tell across the net) where I would simply humor you and go [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >with ALZ and/or dementia that have driving incidents stand out like a >spotlight. The problem with all my detractors is that they, and they alone, know the future as well as the probability (i.e. certainty) of my killing myself and/or somebody else while driving -- and would continue to do so despite every doctor in the country disagreeing. There is no doubt that if I continue to drive deep into the future, I will, most likely, injure myself or another. To register your sincerity about your assertions, why are you not pleading for every American to have their licences revoked because they are getting older and sooner or later they will have an accident (collision) resulting in death or injury. Have you, and the others, expended as much effort to reduce your local traffic injury rate where you might be doing some good! -- 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. >>Have you _asked_ your doctor if he thinks you should be driving? Stating >>that your doc has no problems with you driving would probably answer all >>comments. > I've also posted before that my neurologist does not currently have any > problem > with me driving. "not having a problem" with your driving is NOT the same as asking your doctor if you should be driving. I think you are playing some games with semantics here. One is passive, the other is an overt inquiry. >>Aside from that and however unpleasant it may be, you aren't at the stage >>(as far as I can tell across the net) where I would simply humor you and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the > country disagreeing. There is your biggest mistake, Anthony. You don't have any "detractors" here. I don't believe a single person here wishes you anything other than health and safety for yourself and others. Saying that a diagnosis of an organic and progressive brain disease is probably by its very definition, "impairment" is not the same thing as being your "detractor". Are you aware that the illness is often accompanied by some feelings of paranoia? > There is no doubt that if I continue to drive deep into the future, I > will, most > likely, injure myself or another. I am grateful for the fact you have this realization at this time. Will you always see it as sometime in the future? Or will you realize that point when it comes? That is the important question, you know. How will you know when the time is right to stop driving? I don't think that the nature of the illness itself allows most people to realize those things. Will you wait till you have an accident or get lost somewhere? Suggesting that it might not be the better way does not make us your "detractors". > To register your sincerity about your assertions, why are you not pleading > for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > death or > injury. I think that every older person ought to be able to pass a driving and a written test as well as a visual test every time they renew their license. In my state one can renew for a few years at a time with very little fuss. Testing upon renewal would be the best scenario for everybody. But I don't make the laws, and I have no idea what they do 'down-under' about license renewal. > Have you, and the others, expended as much effort to reduce your local > traffic > injury rate where you might be doing some good! In debate that is considered an unfair argument. You are deflecting the subject away from the original one, as an evasive tactic. I wish you nothing but health and peace and hope your journey through this illness is a gentle one, and that is the absolute truth. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') I think in some states a diagnosis automatically gets the license revoked Linda Jean >I think that every older person ought to be able to pass a driving and a >written test as well as a visual test every time they renew their license. >In my state one can renew for a few years at a time with very little fuss. >Testing upon renewal would be the best scenario for everybody. But I don't >make the laws, and I have no idea what they do 'down-under' about license >renewal. Ditto! >> Have you, and the others, expended as much effort to reduce your local >> traffic >> injury rate where you might be doing some good! > >In debate that is considered an unfair argument. You are deflecting the >subject away from the original one, as an evasive tactic. No diversion at all. I am just rephrasing it in the hope that you will find something else to do with your time. >I wish you nothing but health and peace and hope your journey through this >illness is a gentle one, and that is the absolute truth. For me or for others :-p Evelyn, by now you should know that I failed gentleness is not my forte :-) To be continued...... in heaven, or elsewhere? -- 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. > >Have you _asked_ your doctor if he thinks you should be driving? Stating > >that your doc has no problems with you driving would probably answer all > >comments. > I've also posted before that my neurologist does not currently have any problem > with me driving. Karen: My friend that has the sleep disorder, his neurologist didn't have a problem with it until he asked. Then the answer was along the lines of "My God! Are you still driving?" That's why I emphasized the asking part. Don't know about docs down under but here in the states, they don't think of many things they should limit. Of course, my MIL had been told she shouldn't drive but forget that she shouldn't. > >Aside from that and however unpleasant it may be, you aren't at the stage > >(as far as I can tell across the net) where I would simply humor you and go [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > else while driving -- and would continue to do so despite every doctor in the > country disagreeing. Karen: I admit I'm curious as to what cognitive deficeits were present for diagnosis that _wouldn't _ affect driving, but freely admit you are within your rights to tell me to MYOB. But then I feel like I have a cognitive deficeit in the morning if I hit the road without caffeine and I haven't been diagnosed with a cognitive disorder. > There is no doubt that if I continue to drive deep into the future, I will, most > likely, injure myself or another. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and sooner or later they will have an accident (collision) resulting in death or > injury. Karen: Frankly, I think everyone should have to requalify at a minimum of every 2 years. Mainly because I've known people that wouldn't spend the money to get their glasses redone or admit they needed glasses and they were a menace on the road. I live in a major metropolitan area and every night coming home, I see people driving with their brights on so they can see where they're going. If your night vision is that bad, get better glasses or stay home. > Have you, and the others, expended as much effort to reduce your local traffic > injury rate where you might be doing some good! Karen: I expect when the boomers hit the ALZ stage, the problem will reach critical mass in the states. But even then, if a doc tells someone to stop driving and they forget they were told, what's to stop them until they have a major problem that brings them to the attention of the authorities? Kinda scary, actually. > -- > 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. > Frankly, I think everyone should have to requalify at a minimum of every 2 > years. Mainly because I've known people that wouldn't spend the money to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stay > home. Karen, I have changed the name of this thread because of something you mentioned, and snipped away all but this comment above. I think that many people are unaware that there is a new product available in eyeglasses that has made a WORLD of difference for me and many others like me. When I last bought new eyeglasses, I got them made in a different kind of plastic called "CRIZAL" This plastic has a built in glare reduction and it is well worth the extra money, I swear by it. It reduces glare from sunlight but the real benefit is with night driving. I noticed a couple of years ago that I was unable to see as well at night when driving, especially when it was raining and with all the oncoming lights etc. The new glasses made from Crizal have rolled back the clock for me. It isn't the change in prescription, because I got a spare pair for TV made at the same time from the regular plastic and they don't have the same effect, it really is the Crizal that reduced glare and made the difference. They are expensive, but in my opinion they are worth every penny. Look into it. I think they should recommend it for every mature driver. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Evelyn, I have some and they are great. I thought my night vision was going (I'm 46) but my optometrist say it was a problem of contrast and glare and made me some special glasses with the focus pitched a bit farther forward out of the special plastic and WOW! Suddenly gray curbs on an unlighted road jumped out! Last night I stopped for a black dog on an unlighted road and Hubby asked what I stopped for. :-) And for some reason kamikaze teens dressed in dark colors love to hang out in the shadows at night but I can see them now. Well worth the money! That's one reason I hated losing my MIL's first glasses. We paid to get her the most durable frames (Flexon is the brand that you can bend and twist) and the best lenses with anti-glare and UV coatings, but who knows where they went. Now, I just consider it a somewhat expensive lesson on why I shouldn't get her the best. It's not that she's not worth it but she just isn't capable of holding on to it and the money can be better spent on other areas of her care. Karen > Karen, I have changed the name of this thread because of something you > mentioned, and snipped away all but this comment above. I think that many [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > They are expensive, but in my opinion they are worth every penny. Look > into it. I think they should recommend it for every mature driver. > Evelyn, I have some and they are great. I thought my night vision was > going [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Karen Yes, I can relate. Ida lost so many pairs of glasses that we resorted to the drugstore variety for reading. Ultimately we stopped even that, because she really couldn't grasp a story line anymore, whether on the TV or in print. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> Evelyn, I have some and they are great. I thought my night vision was >> going [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > because she really couldn't grasp a story line anymore, whether on the TV > or in print. I thought I might add that where TV was concerned my MIL didn't need glasses, but she still could enjoy animal planet, figure skating, dance shows, musical stuff, cooking shows, old movies that she remembered from when she was young, the three stooges ...... just nothing with a real plot... but she could still enjoy a great deal of TV .....till much later on, when she just dozed in front of it. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') It's not just aging that causes this problem. If you are very astigmatic which often means you are also very near-sighted, glare will be a problem. The light enters the eyeball and bounces around more than in others' eyes. I have been using Crizal glasses (and their not as good forerunners) since I was 30 because of this problem. If I am wearing my contacts, which correct my vision to 20/25, and it gets dark either because of time or weather, I take them out and put on my glasses to drive. Songbird (who is probably blind enough to be Songbat, but that just doesn't sound as nice!) thanks for the tip Linda Jean >> Frankly, I think everyone should have to requalify at a minimum of every >> 2 [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > They are expensive, but in my opinion they are worth every penny. Look > into it. I think they should recommend it for every mature driver. > thanks for the tip > > Linda Jean I tried to get my 92 year old father to get them, but he wouldn't spend the money. He doesn't understand that the time for frugality has long passed. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>> Frankly, I think everyone should have to requalify at a minimum of every >>> 2 [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> They are expensive, but in my opinion they are worth every penny. Look >> into it. I think they should recommend it for every mature driver. Evelyn, maybe he's saving for his old age? :-) Karen > I tried to get my 92 year old father to get them, but he wouldn't spend the > money. He doesn't understand that the time for frugality has long passed. > Evelyn, maybe he's saving for his old age? :-) > > Karen :-) Yep! He's been obsessively miserly all his life and he is worse now that he is older. If I told you how much so, you wouldn't believe it. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > > Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > age? :-) > Karen Ronny: Now that's a good one! LoL ------------- > "Evelyn Ruut" wrote in message > news:hTpaf.19854$3A4.981@news-wrt-01.rdc [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > money. He doesn't understand that the > time for frugality has long passed. > I tried to get my 92 year old father to get them, but he wouldn't spend the > money. He doesn't understand that the time for frugality has long passed. at age 98, my great aunt was still living at home with $250k in the bank, and she still refused to buy chicken breasts when grocery shopping because they were too expensive! she would almost always buy backs, sometimes thighs, for making soup, but wouldn't buy breasts even when they were on sale. i suppose that i'm enjoying the fruits of that frugality since the money my mother inherited from her paid for a new roof on this house a couple of years ago... >> I tried to get my 92 year old father to get them, but he wouldn't spend >> the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the money my mother inherited from her paid for a new roof on > this house a couple of years ago... There was a couple that were friends with my parents for over 50 some odd years. Her husband died and my mom died, so they live together and she looks after my father (thank goodness for that). But he is so stingy he won't allow her to use the washer or the dryer, or to use the oven for cooking (uses too much expensive gas). Yet he is much more generous with her than he ever was with my poor mother. He tells her he wants to leave the money for us kids, but it isn't really his motivation. His motivation has long been lost in the mists of time (though he really is ultimately leaving it to us)..... but a man who grew up during the depression and was obsessively frugal all his life long, can't change, and certainly not at the age of 92 is it going to happen. He brags that he is still saving money even today. Sure it will be nice to inherit, but I would have rather seen him enjoy more in life, and maybe to see it spread around over the years before his passing. I would have rather had just a few more comforts throughout life instead. He was ridiculously miserly during our childhood, and even later with the grandchildren. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. He was forced to eat so much of it during the depression that he never wanted to have to eat it again and becoming wealthy was the only way he could see to accomplish that. :-) Karen ----snip---- > He tells her he wants to leave the money for us kids, but it isn't really > his motivation. His motivation has long been lost in the mists of time > (though he really is ultimately leaving it to us)..... but a man who grew up > during the depression and was obsessively frugal all his life long, can't > change, and certainly not at the age of 92 is it going to happen. ----snip---- > Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told me that > his [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Karen My dad ate tons of it growing up. He loves the chinese buffet, because it is an "all you can eat" deal. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > > Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > could see to accomplish that. :-) > Karen > My dad ate tons of it growing up. He > loves the chinese buffet, because it > is an "all you can eat" deal. Ronny: What I love is CiCi's pizza-great tasting pizza and $3.99 for all you can eat- pizza,desert,drink and all! :-) Just wish we had one closer than about 30 miles away!:-( And too,it's in a town I don't do my shopping in,so I very,very seldom go there. In fact,I don't believe I've been in a couple of years. I need to find out how much the pizza places closer to home charge for the all you can eat buffet?! :-) > Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told > me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. He was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Karen If you've ever tasted hominy, that shouldn't come as a surprise! Blecch -- lye should not be a foodstuff. :-* LOL! Deborah >> Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told >> me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. He was [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Deborah If you fry it with your ham slice or sausage, it's really quite good. Even my husband will eat it. LOL > >> Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told > >> me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. He was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > If you fry it with your ham slice or sausage, it's really quite good. > Even my husband will eat it. LOL Another hominy fan! That's what brought the subject up. I mentioned how good hominy was fried with bacon and onions... of course almost anything vegetable is good with bacon and onions. But I had mentioned how I liked it fried or in menudo (a Mexican soup) or hominy grits. Maybe you have to be introduced at an early age, but I can see how it might not be so good if you had it for every meal without being able to afford the bacon. Karen >> Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told >> me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. He was [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Deborah Hominy grits is a southern institution! Besides, if you put salt, pepper and butter in it and eat it with eggs, it is quite delicious. Add some shredded cheddar cheese to it and you have a delicacy. Cheese grits are awesome. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>> Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who >>> told me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > delicious. Add some shredded cheddar cheese to it and you > have a delicacy. Cheese grits are awesome. Evelyn, y'all don't have to tell me 'bout grits, <VBG> but they're no longer made from hominy; the average supermarket brands aren't, anyway. They're made from regular sweet yellow or white corn. I like grits, and I like to dress them up as you suggest. Cheese grits *are* awesome. I loathe everything about hominy -- they look like bloated corn kernel-like corpses floating in insecticide, the taste and texture is revolting, and they smell horrible. The last time my dad cooked them, it stunk up the folks' whole (large) house for days. Ewwww! Guess you can tell I have strong feelings about this -- the only way they could possibly be worse is if they were served with liver. But, that's another rant. <lol> I'll try to behave, now. Deborah > Evelyn, y'all don't have to tell me 'bout grits, <VBG> but they're > no longer made from hominy; the average supermarket brands aren't, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Deborah Liver YUK..... Give me a break, I just had lunch! ......June Okay, so help a Canadian out here. Hominy is made from corn kernals right? Is it similar to Italian polenta, which is also a corn meal mush kinda thing (eaten similar to rice or potatoes)? You can buy polenta meal here, and also fat rolls of precooked polenta (cooked into a sort of glutenous mass, you can cut slices off and fry). Its pretty bland on its own. If its made from corn or corn meal, how come hominy has a bad smell? Sorry to go so far off topic here, but never having HAD hominy, its hard for me to get my brain around. Mary G. > Okay, so help a Canadian out here. Hominy is made from corn > kernals right? Is it similar to Italian polenta, which is also a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mary G. The quote came from this web site, where there's a picture of whole hominy: http://www.rchs.com/nuGrdn1.htm "Hominy was made by soaking corn kernels in water in which wood ashes had been steeped. The steepimg process produced lye which softened the corn and loosened the hard seed coat which could then be washed away (along with the lye!)" Ground hominy makes grits, and for many centuries, grits = ground hominy. I can eat hominy grits; it's whole hominy I hate. Even though I have NA/First Nations in a number of branches on my family tree, I just can't do hominy. I wouldn't care for green bison meat, either, though. <g> Here are more pictures of whole hominy, but you have to imagine it in its sickly grayish ammonia juice to get the full effect. (Not to try to influence you, of course...<whistling>) Deborah Mary, hominy sounds like it would be similar to polenta but it's not. We buy the rolls of precooked polenta (basil/garlic or sun-dried tomato/garlic fried in EV Olive Oil aren't bland) and serve it with spaghetti or marinara sauce. Polenta is kind of like hominy grits but it has a taste that is cornier (for lack of a better way to describe it) than hominy. I have eaten fried grits but they have a milder, creamier taste (if you fix them right). Whole kernel hominy is a non-sweet corn that has been soaked in lye to remove the hull and germ. I've also read that soaking hominy and corn in lye or lime makes some of the nutrients more accessible (important if it's a main part of your diet like it is in Mexico). After you soak it, you're _supposed_ to rinse it well to get rid of the lye. I don't know how others fix it, but I grew up with my Mom frying it in bacon grease (a staple seasoning of Southern US cooking) with bacon, onions and sometimes bell pepper. As an adult, I found out hot pepper works well too. Menudo is a spicy Mexican soup made of hominy, tripe, onions and spices. There are variations, but that's the basic ingredients. http://www.recipesource.com/cgi-bin/search?search_string=menudo Does that help? Karen > Okay, so help a Canadian out here. Hominy is made from corn kernals > right? Is it similar to Italian polenta, which is also a corn meal mush [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mary G. >>>> Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who >>>> told me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Deborah Okay, so now I realize you are talking about the whole kernels. Different thing :-) I think I have had them once in a spanish kind of soup called Menudo? Didn't taste all that bad at the time, but that could've been because they were in the soup. A whole different thing I guess, than what I was thinking of .... SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> Evelyn, y'all don't have to tell me 'bout grits, <VBG> but they're >> no longer made from hominy; the average supermarket brands aren't, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > could've been because they were in the soup. A whole different thing I > guess, than what I was thinking of .... Ok Evelyn You've topped Deborah's liver. OMG Menudo made with tripe!!!! Getting finger out of throat......June >>> Evelyn, y'all don't have to tell me 'bout grits, <VBG> but they're >>> no longer made from hominy; the average supermarket brands aren't, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Ok Evelyn You've topped Deborah's liver. OMG Menudo made with tripe!!!! > Getting finger out of throat......June It was delicious. Ever have Campbells Pepper Pot soup? A big favorite of mine too :-) SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') (snip) Ok Evelyn You've topped Deborah's liver. OMG Menudo made with tripe!!!! Getting finger out of throat......June Ronny: I just looked up Menudo and tripe. One page said the tripe was very hard to clean. I might try it though if I could buy it already cleaned. BTW,you know tripe is in all sorts of variety meats like bologna,hotdogs,spam and such. :-) And years ago I was bad about taking potted meat sandwichs to work. A young niece and nephew of mine,8/10yo,visited us a lot then and they were bad about eating up all my potted meat! So,uncle let them look at the ingredient list on the side of a potted meat can and I explained to them what things like tripe,etc. were. :-) They never got in my potted meat again! LoL (snip) Ok Evelyn You've topped Deborah's liver. OMG Menudo made with tripe!!!! Getting finger out of throat......June Ronny: I just looked up Menudo and tripe. One page said the tripe was very hard to clean. I might try it though if I could buy it already cleaned. BTW,you know tripe is in all sorts of variety meats like bologna,hotdogs,spam and such. :-) And years ago I was bad about taking potted meat sandwichs to work. A young niece and nephew of mine,8/10yo,visited us a lot then and they were bad about eating up all my potted meat! So,uncle let them look at the ingredient list on the side of a potted meat can and I explained to them what things like tripe,etc. were. :-) They never got in my potted meat again! LoL Ronny, tripe is delicious prepared Italian style. I was taught to boil it and throw away the first cooking water which contains very strong flavoring. The second cooking is done with all your flavorful ingredients. If you look up tripe on recipe source or some such, you will find how it is done and it can be very delicious. Like I said, if you have ever eaten Pepper Pot soup, the little bits of meat in that are tripe. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Just for the record.... tripe prepared italian style. http://www.recipesource.com/ethnic/europe/italian/04/rec0410.html SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > (snip) > Ok Evelyn You've topped Deborah's liver. OMG Menudo made with [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > is done and it can be very delicious. Like I said, if you have ever eaten > Pepper Pot soup, the little bits of meat in that are tripe. > Just for the record.... tripe prepared italian style. i have an italian cookbook that has a recipe for "eggs cooked to look like tripe", involving using a fork to put dimples in half-cooked scrambled eggs so it looks like tripe, then covering it with a sauce. apparently tripe is considered a delicacy. i'll take the liver any day, thank you. >> Just for the record.... tripe prepared italian style. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >i'll take the liver any day, thank you. Has it become time to change the name of this group to alt.chunder! -- 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. >> Just for the record.... tripe prepared italian style. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > i'll take the liver any day, thank you. Just up the road from my house is a sportsmen's club. Every year they have a wild game dinner, and they have a professional chef (my next door neighbor) prepare all the dishes for that dinner. Wild turkey, duck, venison, elk, bear, all prepared in interesting and excellent ways. There are a lot of things we might not think would taste good, but if prepared properly, can be surprisingly good. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Yumm, gizzards & livers, beef liver (even my kids will eat it) but tripe...I draw the line there. My daddy loved tripe. If my memory is any good, I think he had it fried. Gwen > (snip) > Ok Evelyn You've topped Deborah's liver. OMG Menudo made with [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > is done and it can be very delicious. Like I said, if you have ever eaten > Pepper Pot soup, the little bits of meat in that are tripe. (snip) the only way they could possibly be worse is if they were served with liver. But, that's another rant. <lol> I'll try to behave, now. Deborah Ronny: Oh man,I love fried liver-beef,pork, chicken or whatever! :-) Yep,love it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL Ronny, I'll bet you like chicken gizzards too? I was surprised last time I drove through your neck of the woods to find chicken gizzards and livers for sale at the fried chicken places. Hubby got the pig-out size box. BTW, tripas tacos are tasty too. I have no idea how to fix them, but when I tasted them, they were yummy. I'd guess almost every ethnic group has some way to fix it (except kosher, I seem to remember organ meats aren't kosher). Karen > (snip) > the only way they could possibly be worse is if they were served with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta > remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL > Ronny, I'll bet you like chicken gizzards too? I was surprised last time > I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Karen No it has to do with certain types of animals and the way they are killed. I know that chopped chicken liver spread is often Kosher and very delicious! SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> (snip) >> the only way they could possibly be worse is if they were served with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta >> remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL You're right. How could I have forgotten about the chopped chicken liver spread. You're right, it's delicious with a crusty bread! Karen > No it has to do with certain types of animals and the way they are killed. > I know that chopped chicken liver spread is often Kosher and very delicious! > Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing > home) >Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, > Nov 5, 2005, 9:01am From: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > meats aren't kosher). > Karen Ronny: Oh yeah,I love fried chicken gizzards or liver! :-) And I like them both to make chicken stock or maybe just put some in when cooking brown rice. Adds a good flavor to it. Yep,brown rice,a few chicken gizzards or livers and chopped up green onions all cooked together! :-) ------------ "Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote in message news:13613-436C69BE-627@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net... (snip) the only way they could possibly be worse is if they were served with liver. But, that's another rant. <lol> I'll try to behave, now. Deborah Ronny: Oh man,I love fried liver-beef,pork, chicken or whatever! :-) Yep,love it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL I love beef liver with onions. I salt, flour and brown the liver quickly in a little fat, then remove it and put sliced onions in the frying pan, replace the liver on top of the onions and cook until the onions are done. Delicious! Gwen >> Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing >> home) [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta > remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL > I love beef liver with onions. i like venison liver, which is always the first part of the deer we eat in camp. the best liver i ever ate was harbor seal, but i'm no longer allowed to shoot them, and my tlingit friends who can hunt them legally keep it all to themselves. >> I love beef liver with onions. > > i like venison liver, which is always the first part of the deer > we eat in camp. the best liver i ever ate was harbor seal, but > i'm no longer allowed to shoot them, and my tlingit friends who > can hunt them legally keep it all to themselves. My neighbor got a deer yesterday with a bow. I wonder what he does with the liver? We have eaten at their home often, and they serve venison most of the time. The last time I ate there, she made homemade traditional potato dumplings, and with pot roasted venison with a rich gravy, it was awesome! I know they make a venison liverwurst and sometimes serve it at the yearly wild game dinner at the hunting club up the road..... SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing home) Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Nov 5, 2005, 12:25pm From: cglghl@knology.net (Gwen Love) I love beef liver with onions. I salt, flour and brown the liver quickly in a little fat, then remove it and put sliced onions in the frying pan, replace the liver on top of the onions and cook until the onions are done. Delicious! Gwen Ronny: Oh,now that is a great way to cook liver!:-) ------------ "Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote in message news:22426-436CE293-669@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net... Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing home) Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Nov 5, 2005, 9:01am From: kk5151@hotmail.com (Karen) Ronny, I'll bet you like chicken gizzards too? I was surprised last time I drove through your neck of the woods to find chicken gizzards and livers for sale at the fried chicken places. Hubby got the pig-out size box. BTW, tripas tacos are tasty too. I have no idea how to fix them, but when I tasted them, they were yummy. I'd guess almost every ethnic group has some way to fix it (except kosher, I seem to remember organ meats aren't kosher). Karen Ronny: Oh yeah,I love fried chicken gizzards or liver! :-) And I like them both to make chicken stock or maybe just put some in when cooking brown rice. Adds a good flavor to it. Yep,brown rice,a few chicken gizzards or livers and chopped up green onions all cooked together! :-) ------------ "Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote in message news:13613-436C69BE-627@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net... (snip) the only way they could possibly be worse is if they were served with liver. But, that's another rant. <lol> I'll try to behave, now. Deborah Ronny: Oh man,I love fried liver-beef,pork, chicken or whatever! :-) Yep,love it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL the BEST liver is that which someone else cooks FOR me, I think :) I like to eat it.. not cook it LOL Which reminds me of the time I came home to find that my MIL (who was still being left alone for short periods at that point - many moons ago) had been eating pork liver... she told me she was giving it to the dog because "it didn't taste nice" I guess not! She hadn't cooked it... not even a little bit! Raw pork liver..... EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing home) Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Nov 5, 2005, 12:25pm From: cglghl@knology.net (Gwen Love) I love beef liver with onions. I salt, flour and brown the liver quickly in a little fat, then remove it and put sliced onions in the frying pan, replace the liver on top of the onions and cook until the onions are done. Delicious! Gwen Ronny: Oh,now that is a great way to cook liver!:-) ------------ "Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote in message news:22426-436CE293-669@storefull-3333.bay.webtv.net... Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing home) Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Nov 5, 2005, 9:01am From: kk5151@hotmail.com (Karen) Ronny, I'll bet you like chicken gizzards too? I was surprised last time I drove through your neck of the woods to find chicken gizzards and livers for sale at the fried chicken places. Hubby got the pig-out size box. BTW, tripas tacos are tasty too. I have no idea how to fix them, but when I tasted them, they were yummy. I'd guess almost every ethnic group has some way to fix it (except kosher, I seem to remember organ meats aren't kosher). Karen Ronny: Oh yeah,I love fried chicken gizzards or liver! :-) And I like them both to make chicken stock or maybe just put some in when cooking brown rice. Adds a good flavor to it. Yep,brown rice,a few chicken gizzards or livers and chopped up green onions all cooked together! :-) ------------ "Ronny TX" <Acts17-11@webtv.net> wrote in message news:13613-436C69BE-627@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net... (snip) the only way they could possibly be worse is if they were served with liver. But, that's another rant. <lol> I'll try to behave, now. Deborah Ronny: Oh man,I love fried liver-beef,pork, chicken or whatever! :-) Yep,love it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL I love fried chicken gizzards (or prepared any way) and was delighted when chicken places started serving them. My DIL and I splurge occasionally and share a full box! Gwen > Ronny, I'll bet you like chicken gizzards too? I was surprised last time > I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> it fried and served with cream gravy and homemade biscuits! :-) Gotta >> remember to put down liver on next weeks grocery bill! LoL Hominy and grits are entirely two different things. I love grits! Gwen >>> Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told >>> me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. He was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > shredded cheddar cheese to it and you have a delicacy. Cheese grits are > awesome. I tasted hominy only once at my grandmother's house. Never, ever again! Gwen >> Reminds me of a very wealthy man I knew (now deceased) who told >> me that his incentive for becoming wealthy was hominy. He was [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Deborah > Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing > home) > Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Fri, > Nov 4, 2005, 1:50pm (CST+6) From: > celiej@yaspamisnotwelcomedhoo.com > (Deborah) > "Karen" wrote in news:11mmnvepeftt32c@corp.supernews> .com: > Reminds me of a very wealthy man I > knew > (now deceased) who told me that his > incentive for becoming wealthy was > hominy. He was forced to eat so much > of > it during the depression that he never > wanted to have to eat it again and > becoming wealthy was the only way he > could see to accomplish that. :-) > Karen > Deborah: > If you've ever tasted hominy, that >shouldn't come as a surprise! Blecch -- > lye should not be a foodstuff. :-* > LOL! > Deborah Ronny: But,but they wash the lye part off! LoL Funny part is I seldom eat hominy even though I love the taste. :-) It's just I didn't grow up eating much of it. We ate canned corn,cream or whole and for some reason that made that just the usual and the hominy,which we seldom ate,was the special! LoL And of course,we ate fresh corn from the garden in season. Man that was good! :-) And the funny part about that is that it was plain old field corn and not sweet corn. Now people say how much they like the sweet corn and I don't much care for that;but I still love the boiled field corn with that real corny;but not sweet flavor! :-) > > Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing > > home) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > care for that;but I still love the boiled field corn with that real > corny;but not sweet flavor! :-) Ronny, you'll find this funny. When we were kids, my sister snuck into a farmers field and stole some corn on the cob. Wasn't until she got it home and my Mom fixed it that we found out it was something my Mom called "cow corn" not at all sweet and tender. The kernels were tough and had a strong corn taste but no sweet at all. I was the only one that wanted more. This stuff now is too sweet and doesn't have any corn taste. Fried corn scrapped off the cob -- now that's good country cooking! Hominy (especially canned) is one of those things that can be absolutely obnoxious unless it's fixed right. Kind of like canned spinach or canned asparagus (although I haven't found any way to fix those yet that tastes good, love both fresh). As for washing off the lye, anyone that has eaten corn tortillas has eaten something from the same type of process. You have to soak it to remove the hull... http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1977_July_August/Tortillas__Frijoles_Refr itos__and_other_basics_of_Mexican_Cooking But then, I'm not a picky eater at all. I enjoy liver and menudo and I confess I don't always try to figure out what I'm eating when I'm in a restaurant that speak English (so long as it tastes good). Karen > > Re: Night Vision issues (was nursing [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > could see to accomplish that. :-) > Karen Ronny: I love hominy! :-) Now my story. :-) I had an aunt an uncle that live most of their married lives in his Mom's old,old home way out in the middle of nowhere. No running water-had a well from which they drew water by hand. Water line went right in front of their house yet uncle would not hook up too it. In his 80's uncle got both of his arms broke when working his cattle-aunt got down in her back,so she could not draw water w |
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