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June - 19 Sep 2005 15:47 GMT
My mother-in-law (101 years old) has such terrible violent type of
hallucinations.   Her short term memory seems to be pretty good.   She knows
there was a hurricane down south and can remember who has been to visit her
in the nursing home.
Someone is always trying to kill her and the place where she lives is a
house of ill repute (I've cleaned that up) and her daughters are working
there.   Her daughters are in their 70's and 80's.   I could go on but you
get the picture.   It doesn't seem to matter whether she is on drugs or not.
The bad part is when one of her daughters goes to visit she is very nasty to
them because in her mind the daughter is involved in the illicit activities
there.    How sad it is.   Because it is  sometimes difficult for them to
get there due to their own health problems.   Then their mother tells them
not to come back.   One daughter drives over 60 miles to see her.   About
the time we think the hallucination has run its course then it comes back
again.   My husband who is her only surviving son seems to escape this
hallucination and she only wants to see him.   He does visit twice a week
and takes care of all her business medical and otherwise but we live several
miles away.    It really helps for them to check up on her at the nursing
home because they help with getting her clothes and generally making sure
she is not suffering from something that the staff has overlooked.    I
realize there's no answers -- just questions.........
Evelyn Ruut - 19 Sep 2005 23:58 GMT
> My mother-in-law (101 years old) has such terrible violent type of
> hallucinations.   Her short term memory seems to be pretty good.   She
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> the staff has overlooked.    I realize there's no answers -- just
> questions.........

June, I can imagine this must cause an awful lot of emotional pain for her
daughters.   How sad this is.

Every patient is different, every family is different, and every doctor has
their own way of handling these things.   I am fortunate to live in a place,
and to have a doctor who placed great stock in the peace and emotional well
being of both my mother in law and her only child, my husband.  (not to
mention me, who was living in close proximity to them both!)

We had problems with delusions too.  My mother in law imagined all sorts of
stuff.   Our doctor heard us when we told him that since she had a terminal
illness that would rob her of all function ultimately, that we wanted her to
be as "happy as a clam" if there was any such thing as the pharmaceutical
means to do that, for whatever time she had left, that we wanted to make her
life as happy and trouble free as possible.   Now remember she was depressed
and imagining all kinds of things that were very upsetting to her and to us.

He put her on Zoloft at first, and increased the dosage commensurately as it
began to lose effect with the passage of time and the worsening of her
illness.   When that didn't work anymore he put her on an anti-psychotic
which helped her enormously.   If it wasn't for the medications, I could
never have handled caring for her.  She was in a very bad emotional space,
and suddenly she was happy and peaceful.

Now this may sound like it was a miracle, but it really was a tradeoff,
because every drug has its side effects.   The trick is to know what they
are, and adjust accordingly.   As her illness took its toll, we actually
reduced her medication more and more to the point where she was taking only
a very small dose of Zoloft during the last few months (under full doctors
supervision of the whole process).

The reason for this is that these drugs may reduce hallucinations and
delusions, but they also take a toll on the persons mobility and balance and
they may cause them to experience more incontinence.   In my mother in laws
case they increased her craving for sweets and raised her blood sugars to
diabetic levels, which caused her to have to urinate every few minutes,
especially all night long :-(

So your family needs to maybe discuss these things with the doctor handling
her case, and weigh the drawbacks against the possible benefits.

Hey, it was the right answer for us, but may not be for your mother in law
and her situation.

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Evelyn

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Dennis P. Harris - 20 Sep 2005 03:52 GMT
> In my mother in laws
> case they increased her craving for sweets and raised her blood sugars to
> diabetic levels, which caused her to have to urinate every few minutes,
> especially all night long :-(

evelyn, though you may not have known about the pancreatic cancer
at the time, i suspect that it may have had more to do with the
diabetic symptoms than her craving for sweets.
Evelyn Ruut - 20 Sep 2005 12:58 GMT
>> In my mother in laws
>> case they increased her craving for sweets and raised her blood sugars to
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> at the time, i suspect that it may have had more to do with the
> diabetic symptoms than her craving for sweets.

That is definitely a possible cause, now that you mention it.   I thought it
was from the anti-psychotic meds at the time, and so did her doctor, since
it was listed as one of the side effects.   But either or both could have
had that effect.   We never found out about the pancreatic cancer till about
7 months prior to her passing, and that only after hospital testing, so at
that earlier time, the doctor had no idea nor did we.

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Evelyn

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Stephen - 20 Sep 2005 00:11 GMT
> My husband who is her only surviving son seems to escape this
>hallucination and she only wants to see him.   He does visit twice a week
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>she is not suffering from something that the staff has overlooked.    I
>realize there's no answers -- just questions.........

It's great that she has lived to 101, but so unfortunate that her hallucinations
are so bad. I don't suppose that there's much that can be done short of
medication and dealing with it as best you can.
-steve
Dennis P. Harris - 20 Sep 2005 03:50 GMT
> Someone is always trying to kill her and the place where she lives is a
> house of ill repute (I've cleaned that up) and her daughters are working
> there.   Her daughters are in their 70's and 80's.   I could go on but you
> get the picture.   It doesn't seem to matter whether she is on drugs or not.

Talk to her doctor about trying a different prescription or
changing the dosage.
June - 20 Sep 2005 17:02 GMT
If it were that easy.... Don't live to be a 100 because finding a doctor who
really cares about your health is next to impossible.   If seems that you've
committed a crime for living so long.    Sorry to vent but my husband has
been trying for days for the doctor to prescribe medication for a bladder
infection.   So much red tape at the nursing home and doctor's office.
This is supposed to be one of the best nursing homes in the area.   God help
those in the other nursing homes.   She's much too frail to be taken care of
at home even though one daughter offered to take care of her at home.   MIL
( who was in her right mind at the time) knew that it wouldn't work and
refused.   On a more positive note....another daughter went to visit
yesterday and MIL told her she was really happy to see her.   First time in
weeks that this has happened....

>> Someone is always trying to kill her and the place where she lives is a
>> house of ill repute (I've cleaned that up) and her daughters are working
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> Talk to her doctor about trying a different prescription or
> changing the dosage.
Dennis P. Harris - 21 Sep 2005 02:37 GMT
> Sorry to vent but my husband has
> been trying for days for the doctor to prescribe medication for a bladder
> infection.   So much red tape at the nursing home and doctor's office.
> This is supposed to be one of the best nursing homes in the area.   God help
> those in the other nursing homes.  

just be thankful that you're not trying to send medical supplies
to the gulf coast.  on nightline last night they had a story
about a bunch of memphis doctors who had to fill out 60 PAGES of
forms just to send a group of doctors to new orleans to relieve
the overburdened medical personnel there.  they were even refused
permission to send in DONATED helicopters to evacuate hospital
patients because no one had filled out reams of bleeping
paperwork!  in order to get supplies to an alabama hospital they
sent a church van without permission, since they had waited 2
days for all the idiotic paperwork to be processed by FEMA.

god help us all if there's another disaster and bu$h and company
are still in charge!  they've been screwing up medicare and
medicaid ever since they supposedly took charge, too.
Gwen Love - 21 Sep 2005 05:15 GMT
Dennis, plese keep polotics out of the NG.  Thanks
Gwen

>> Sorry to vent but my husband has
>> been trying for days for the doctor to prescribe medication for a bladder
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> are still in charge!  they've been screwing up medicare and
> medicaid ever since they supposedly took charge, too.
Anthony Shipley - 21 Sep 2005 09:59 GMT
>Dennis, plese keep polotics out of the NG.  Thanks
>Gwen

Gwen, please keep grammar in the NG. Thanks :-p

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2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2.
Gwen Love - 21 Sep 2005 19:03 GMT
I know Anthony, it should have been politics!
gwen

>>Dennis, plese keep polotics out of the NG.  Thanks
>>Gwen
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> --
> 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2.
Dennis P. Harris - 22 Sep 2005 03:28 GMT
> Dennis, plese keep polotics out of the NG.

sorry, but politics will determine whether any of *us* will be
able to afford long term care when our turn comes.  and if others
can post off topic jokes here with impunity, i damned well can
post sarcastic political remarks that are at least *partly* on
topic.  no one is forcing you to read what i post.

the fact is that if repugnicans have their way, they will use
every disaster as an excuse for NOT funding medical care
(including home based and nursing home care) for americans that
the citizens of every other major industrial country have as a
right.  they're already talking about cutting the bogus
prescription drug benefit and cutting medicaid because of the
hurricane disasters, while they talk about more tax cuts for
bush's rich friends.

gimme a break!

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wealthiest 1 percent of the citizens is, in fact, class warfare."
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Bud - 22 Sep 2005 04:08 GMT
 > the fact is that if repugnicans have their way,...

More Libracrap BS.

> no one is forcing you to read what i post.

You're right. PLONK.
Evelyn Ruut - 22 Sep 2005 12:26 GMT
>> Dennis, plese keep polotics out of the NG.
>
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>
> gimme a break!

What you are saying is absolutely true.   They are talking about cutting the
new prescription drug plan to cover hurricane recovery costs, and they ARE
also refusing to roll back the tax cuts that have thrown our whole country
into a fiscal disaster zone.   Our grandchildren will still be paying off
Bush's deficits!  In my opinion he is a monster who is destroying this
country.

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> =================================================================
> "Passing a tax cut that gives 42.5 percent of the cut to the
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Evelyn Ruut - 21 Sep 2005 11:38 GMT
>> Sorry to vent but my husband has
>> been trying for days for the doctor to prescribe medication for a bladder
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> are still in charge!  they've been screwing up medicare and
> medicaid ever since they supposedly took charge, too.

True.  The man is a disaster in and of himself.

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Evelyn

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Nightwing - 21 Sep 2005 20:13 GMT
It is really easy to criticize someone when you do not have to be
responsible for your words.

Personally I would not the job just because you will never be able to get it
right.  There is always someone that "knows" how it should be done, but
never seems to be able to do anything about it.

If you bothered to read the Louisiana disaster plan it doesn't mention the
Federal Government, and the Governor refused Federal assistance "BEFORE" the
storm hit.

What abouyt the 50 million dollars earmarked for evacuation planning that
was misappropriated to study upgrading the bridge?  What about the
corruption that runs rampant in the politics in Louisana?  I guess none of
that matters.  There is plenty of blame to go around without blaming the
President.

Gwen is right, politics doesn't belong here.  But what do I know.  I don't
sit atop Mt. Olympus and decree how things are supposed to be.  Maybe if
fewer stopped to point fingers, and more helped, it will be better next
time.
Pat Stewart - 22 Sep 2005 05:42 GMT
Let's just pray that all are safe in the face of Hurricane Rita.
Interesting name, it should give us all a chance to remember those who
perished at St. Rita's Nursing Home in Louisiana.  I know none of us ever
want to see something like that happen again.

My thoughts and prayers are with all those who are again in harm's way.

Patty

> It is really easy to criticize someone when you do not have to be
> responsible for your words.
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> fewer stopped to point fingers, and more helped, it will be better next
> time.
Earp - 22 Sep 2005 11:47 GMT
ok pray guys

> Let's just pray that all are safe in the face of Hurricane Rita.
> Interesting name, it should give us all a chance to remember those who
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> > fewer stopped to point fingers, and more helped, it will be better next
> > time.
 
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