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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Alzheimer's / September 2005

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Can They do That?

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mo - 01 Sep 2005 07:51 GMT
>>> well it has happened. The powers that be ---the two people who do not take care of Mom and her doctor have decided that I need a break and Mom has been put into a nursing home for respite care. Do you think that either one of the other siblings would have voluntered to take over for a little while to give me a break???  Nope I have more important things to do. Meanwhile I did not want Mom in the nursing home that they chose and they know it. <<<

Can a loved one be placed in a nursing home without my consent? My
friend has been the caregiver for her mom. She's lived with her mom for
many years and has taken good care of her. My friend works but only
recently has her mom gotten to a stage of needing daycare or NH need.
She was looking into these when her family lowered the boom
unexpectedly. My friends family has just decided to up and re-route mom
to someplace else with the caregivers consent or knowledge.

>>> When I called this morning to see how she was doing the nurse asked who was calling and I said the daughter who has been taking care of her at home and she replied she slept and is still sleeping goodbye and SLAMMED the phone in my ear. <<<

This doesn't sound like a NH I would want my LO placed in.

Any thoughts, tips, advice would me much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

mo
no matter the problem, a cup of coffee always makes it better.
Tumbleweed - 01 Sep 2005 21:42 GMT
>>>> well it has happened. The powers that be ---the two people who do not
>>>> take care of Mom and her doctor have decided that I need a break and
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>
> Can a loved one be placed in a nursing home without my consent?

I guess the answer to that is a legal one which probably no one here is
qualified to answer but is probably 'yes' since they went and did it and it
hasnt been challenged (from what you say).

> My
> friend has been the caregiver for her mom. She's lived with her mom for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> This doesn't sound like a NH I would want my LO placed in.

maybe she was really busy, esp at that exact moment. I think its easy for
one person to think that the phone was viciously slammed down, and the
'slammer downer' to think that they dealt politely but efficiently with a
call as they had to deal with a residents real, urgent, in your face and
immediate problem.

> Any thoughts, tips, advice would me much appreciated.

Maybe your friend wasnt taking as good care of her mother as she thought.
Maybe she was but the relatives didnt believe so. Maybe she was't coping as
well as she thought and was willing to acknoweldge to herself. Maybe her
family and the doctor are all complete bastards who,  despite the fact they
arent involved in her care, and arent really affected wherever she is,
conspired together arbitrarily for no good reason to place the mother in a
bad home. Maybe there are 14 other reasons I have thought of. At this
distance, third hand, with one side of the story, none of us are going to
know are we?

But I'm going to plump for the third option as the most likely (unwilling to
recognise she wasnt caring properly) , since as this is usenet an almost
complete absence of facts are no hindrance to coming up with an opinion.

> Thanks in advance.
>
> mo
> no matter the problem, a cup of coffee always makes it better.

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Baird Stafford - 02 Sep 2005 00:40 GMT
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> Can a loved one be placed in a nursing home without my consent? My
> friend has been the caregiver for her mom. She's lived with her mom for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> unexpectedly. My friends family has just decided to up and re-route mom
> to someplace else with the caregivers consent or knowledge.

That would probably depend entirely on who holds the Durable Powers of
Attorney, both for business and for health care.  If your friend did not
already have these documents, it would probably be too late to get 'em
in the face of family opposition.  In my opinion, the principal care
giver should hold such documents because they're the people on the
ground, the people who know exactly what the LO needs.

If your friend *does* have durable Powers of Attorney*, her family
cannot do such a thing without her knowledge and consent.  She may have
to go to court - but she may have only to wave those papers in front of
the manager of the nursing home.

Blessed be,
Baird

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The Turd Burglar - 02 Sep 2005 02:09 GMT
No way in hell.
Dennis P. Harris - 02 Sep 2005 02:55 GMT
> Can a loved one be placed in a nursing home without my consent? My
> friend has been the caregiver for her mom. She's lived with her mom for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> unexpectedly. My friends family has just decided to up and re-route mom
> to someplace else with the caregivers consent or knowledge.

whoever has the mom's durable power of attorney for health care
or whoever was appointed guardian has the power to make such
decisions.  if your friend wasn't that person, and wasn't either
POA or guardian, she doesn't have any legal standing to object.
mo - 05 Sep 2005 07:54 GMT
>> Can a loved one be placed in a nursing home without my consent? <<

>> whoever has the mom's durable power of attorney for health care or whoever was appointed guardian has the power to make such decisions.  if your friend wasn't that person, and wasn't either POA or guardian, she doesn't have any legal standing to object. <<

As the family would say on many an occasion, "Why do a durable power of
attorney? Why there's nothing wrong with mom." And the family wished to
continue the belief. But then they discovered there are things wrong
with mom. So they put her in a nursing home so they won't have to deal
with her.

I undersand what everyone is saying and I agree.  It just seems they
should have talked it over with the daughter that was taking care of
her mother. She new mom was ready for the NH route and was looking into
NH but the family didn't want to take any advice about NH from the
daughter. They waited until the daughter went to work and off mom went.

mo
no matter the problem, a cup of coffee always makes it better.
Anthony Shipley - 05 Sep 2005 10:41 GMT
>no matter the problem, a cup of coffee always makes it better.

Doesn't seem to be working for my coffee addiction!

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