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LindaJean - 15 Aug 2005 23:35 GMT Hello everyone, is it acceptable for new people to jump in here :-) My name is LindaJean----LJ for short I read a bit and see you use plain text and bottom replies am I correct?
Songbird - 16 Aug 2005 00:07 GMT > Hello everyone, is it acceptable for new people to jump in here :-) > My name is LindaJean----LJ for short > I read a bit and see you use plain text and bottom replies am I correct? Hi, LJ --
We do tend to plain text (several folks are on webTV and that makes it easier.) Many people tend to bottom post -- I tend to top-post and have to remind myself to scroll down.
We don't always snip as much as we should in replies, but heck ... we all have bigger things to deal with, so usenet faux pas that drive other NGs berserk pretty much slip under the radar here.
And we love new people. On whatever stage you are of this journey that no one wants to be on, jump on in -- the water's fine!
Songbird
Anthony Shipley - 16 Aug 2005 00:16 GMT >And we love new people. On whatever stage you are of this journey that no >one wants to be on, jump on in -- the water's fine! Great, so nobody minds that I rebuke any creep who top posts :-p
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LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 00:21 GMT "Songbird" <carolinasongbird@gmail.com> [WA] wrote:
>And we love new people. On whatever stage you are of this journey that no >one wants to be on, jump on in -- the water's fine! Great, so nobody minds that I rebuke any creep who top posts :-p
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Bud - 16 Aug 2005 02:20 GMT Nope. We just ignore it for the more important issues. ;-)
> Great, so nobody minds that I rebuke any creep who top posts :-p LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 00:16 GMT Thank you I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in the last 6 months his odd behavior has gotten to be a daily problem. I am worried. He forgets the way home on the freeway. He will ask me the same question 4 or 5 times. Changes in our life agitate him. I had to go away for a month to help a very ill daughter. While I was gone he had a terrible time just going to work and taking care of himself. Now that I have had a break from it I can see more clearly how strange things have gotten. He tries to convince me his getting confused is just normal aging.
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> Hello everyone, is it acceptable for new people to jump in here :-) > My name is LindaJean----LJ for short > I read a bit and see you use plain text and bottom replies am I correct? Hi, LJ --
We do tend to plain text (several folks are on webTV and that makes it easier.) Many people tend to bottom post -- I tend to top-post and have to remind myself to scroll down.
We don't always snip as much as we should in replies, but heck ... we all have bigger things to deal with, so usenet faux pas that drive other NGs berserk pretty much slip under the radar here.
And we love new people. On whatever stage you are of this journey that no one wants to be on, jump on in -- the water's fine!
Songbird
Anthony Shipley - 16 Aug 2005 01:01 GMT >I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in the >last 6 months his odd behavior has gotten to be a daily problem. I am [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >from it I can see more clearly how strange things have gotten. He tries to >convince me his getting confused is just normal aging. Sounds a lot like me. A bit older but his rate of change seems quite a bit faster than mine. First thing to do is get a diagnosis (I think a PET scan is still the most efficacious).
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LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 02:07 GMT >>I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in >>the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. Thank you for that advice. Most of what I read online is regarding much older people. My husband is still working.
LJ
Songbird - 16 Aug 2005 01:28 GMT > Thank you > I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LJ Run, do not walk, to his primary care physician and get a complete workup. I do not mean to be an alarmist, but what you describe is *not* normal forgetfulness due to aging. (In fact, some gerontologists dispute that such a "normal" forgetfulness even exists.) And even if it were -- 56 is young!
However, that does not mean it is necessarily something terminal and serious. It could be as simple as a B-12 deficiency, undiagnosed diabetes or thyroid issues, any host of treatable disorders. No matter what it is, early treatment is your best friend.
Can you talk him into just a thorough physical exam? "You know, honey, we're not as young as we used to be, and I want to have you around for a good long time. Let's both get a good physical and make sure we are taking care of ourselves." Then tip the doctor off in advance. Depending on whether your husband signs a release allowing the doc to discuss his medical condition with you, the doctor may not be able to talk with you. But nothing stops you from talking TO him, and if he is a good doctor, he welcomes all the input he can get.
Keep us posted, LJ. We care about both of you.
Songbird
LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 02:14 GMT >> Thank you >> I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > "little mistakes". I can't think of a way to make him go back with me > along but I think that is what needs to happen. Thanks for letting me know y'all don't believe this is normal . I feel better that I am right. I will try again to get us to his doctor
LJ
Octavia - 16 Aug 2005 17:50 GMT Hi, I'm fairly new here also. Wasn't sure where to jump into this thread:)
What you have described about your husband is most definitely not normal aging. Since he isn't being thorough enough with his doc, perhaps you could try writing up a bunch of incidents you have observed & mail it to his doctor or even make an appointment to speak with him yourself.
I agree with others, there are many things that can mess up your memory. For instance, not to throw in a monkey wrench, but I have CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Deficiency Syndrome) & some Fibromyalgia (diagnosed with docs after extensive testing), both of which can play havoc with my memory:( In other words, you won't know exactly what is wrong with him until he gets a considerable amount of testing done. Denial at first is common & understandable with just about any kind of diagnosis. In this case, you need to be the one to step in & help him out.
Good luck:) ~~~Octavia PS I'm mostly a top poster, whether in email, usenet or any other net forum. Never have given it any kind of consideration. I don't care how people post, I don't worry about gramar, spelling, etc. Heck, I sometimes even post exactly like a talk, with a Texas twang - LOL:)The most important thing to me about posting is the content & people sharing their experiences:) So just post however you feel most comfortable.
>>> Thank you >>> I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > LJ Anthony Shipley - 16 Aug 2005 23:42 GMT >PS I'm mostly a top poster, whether in email, usenet or any other net forum. >Never have given it any kind of consideration. I don't care how people post, >I don't worry about gramar, spelling, etc. Heck, I sometimes even post >exactly like a talk, with a Texas twang - LOL:)The most important thing to >me about posting is the content & people sharing their experiences:) So just >post however you feel most comfortable. But beware that how you post can affect whether or not your message gets to your intended audience.
If you don't make it clear, if you waste people's time by making it arduous to interpret, your comfort might lose you your intended readership.
Thus, for example, I snip (remove) that part of the message I'm replying to so that the reader easily focuses on my message and responds accordingly. That saves time and increases the liklihood they'll read it and respond.
I think that little bit of extra effort results in a saving of my time and improves the responses I get.
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Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2005 02:04 GMT > Thank you > I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LJ Hi,
No it doesn't sound like it is normal aging. I am 64 and that doesn't happen to me, and many other people who are much older than your husband who have no such experiences.
Linda Jean, you definitely should be concerned and you absolutely need to get him to a doctor as soon as you can. Why? Because there are dozens of diseases that LOOK and present like Alzheimers but actually are treatable illnesses. There is for instance, Normal Pressure Hydrocephalus, which is treatable. There are certain kinds of deficiencies with the Thyroid for example which is also treatable. There is a vitamin B-12 deficiency that is also treatable. There are others too. Not everything that looks like Alzheimers is actually Alzheimers.
Time is of the essence here, so you need to get him to a doctor who will order a complete workup to discover what the problem is, as clearly as can be determined medically.
If it DOES turn out to be early onset Alzheimers disease, there are some new medications out recently that can be helpful, so it makes sense to get working on this right away.
Please stay in touch with us here and let us know how you manage. Talk to your husband and let him know that this kind of thing isn't normal aging, and to brush it off as such, could be a mistake.
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LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 02:15 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > to your husband and let him know that this kind of thing isn't normal > aging, and to brush it off as such, could be a mistake. I am writting down everyone's ideas so I have things to ask his doctor about thank you LJ
Karen - 16 Aug 2005 02:38 GMT LindaJean, a few more of the less obvious possibilities... grapefruit consumption increasing the effect of a drug he is taking, Celiac disease (can cause memory problems, depression and "brain fog" without the expected obvious GI symptoms), or even a mid-life depression (which has hit several people I know and played havoc with their concentration, memory and behavior patterns).
His PCP might be able to refer him to a neurologist. In my experience, neurologists are much better at figuring out twerky things affecting the brain because it's their area of specialty.
He's lucky he has you looking around for him. The worst thing about problems of the brain is it affects the organ you would use to identify and solve the problem.
Karen
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> I am writting down everyone's ideas so I have things to ask his doctor > about > thank you > LJ LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 02:47 GMT thank you Karen <s>
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> LindaJean, a few more of the less obvious possibilities... grapefruit > consumption increasing the effect of a drug he is taking, Celiac disease [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and > solve the problem. Anthony Shipley - 16 Aug 2005 02:37 GMT >If it DOES turn out to be early onset Alzheimers disease, there are some new >medications out recently that can be helpful, so it makes sense to get >working on this right away. What are they?
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Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2005 03:06 GMT >>If it DOES turn out to be early onset Alzheimers disease, there are some >>new >>medications out recently that can be helpful, so it makes sense to get >>working on this right away. > > What are they? Namenda for one. It works very well in combination with Aricept.
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John Inzer - 16 Aug 2005 04:08 GMT > Thank you > I am at the start of something going wrong. My husband is only 56 and in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LJ ================================ Hi,
As others have said...there could be many reasons for the memory loss and a diagnosis from a competent Dr. is certainly the best place to begin.
I ask questions a lot simply because I don't always pay close attention to the answers. But one thing you said has me concerned:
"He forgets the way home on the freeway."
I have to wonder how long it may be before he forgets which side of the road he should be on.
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Anthony Shipley - 16 Aug 2005 07:29 GMT >I have to wonder how long it may be >before he forgets which side of the road >he should be on. Without knowing, that's an unfair statement on your part.
I'm like that insofar as I can't find my way to places I used to frequent often. Despite that, I'm --currently-- nowhere driving on the wrong side of the road.
It's natural for a carer to be overly protective. Likewise, it's natural for a doctor to be overly cautious -- there are such things as writs. The result can be caution overdone, I understand that, but I would hope that my carer(s) recognise that I am approaching the term of my natural life. I still want to live it -- even if it means I get stuck between the tyres of a large truck. That's far better than choking on my porridge (or eating it :-p)
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Tumbleweed - 16 Aug 2005 07:53 GMT >>I have to wonder how long it may be >>before he forgets which side of the road [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Despite that, I'm --currently-- nowhere driving on the wrong side of the > road. What about slowed reactions, and inability to react appropriately to a sudden emergency?
> It's natural for a carer to be overly protective. Likewise, it's natural > for a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > live it -- even if it means I get stuck between the tyres of a large > truck. how about if another person gets stuck under the wheels of your car, on the wrong side of the road? Or the truck driver being killed or injured, when the truck overturns?
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Anthony Shipley - 16 Aug 2005 09:37 GMT >What about slowed reactions, and inability to react appropriately to a >sudden emergency? Well, I'm quite happy for you to come and assess my skills/judgement at your own cost.
Get a life!!
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Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2005 11:58 GMT >>What about slowed reactions, and inability to react appropriately to a >>sudden emergency? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Get a life!! Anthony, you are like so many.... in denial about the illness you have.
I am not telling you to give up and lay down before your time, but I am telling you that ***I *** would not want to be on the same road as you, or anyone else who has been diagnosed with Alzheimers, even in the very early stages. If you were diagnosed, you are impaired.
You ought not to be driving if you even momentarily forget where you are going.
You are in denial and like all men, you think you are a damned superman.
If you are impaired enough to be diagnosed, you ought not to be driving. I don't care what you say, it is the truth.
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Dennis P. Harris - 17 Aug 2005 03:13 GMT > You ought not to be driving if you even momentarily forget where you are > going. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If you are impaired enough to be diagnosed, you ought not to be driving. > I don't care what you say, it is the truth. one thing my mother's psychdoc told me was that people with a dementia or a mental illness simply have NO insight into their problem. the nature of the disease is that those that have it think that they're just fine, and everyone else has the problem(s). in addition, people with dementias often are very defensive about their memory loss, insisting that they're just fine when they aren't.
it's too bad that anthony is in such denial and so defensive about maintaining his driving privileges, but the fact is that HE cannot judge whether he's safe to drive or not, since the disease will prevent him from perceiving any problems even if they are glaringly obvious to everyone else.
and i agree that anyone who is diagnosed with AD should stop driving. in some states in the US it would be illegal for him to drive.
Evelyn Ruut - 17 Aug 2005 03:18 GMT >> You ought not to be driving if you even momentarily forget where you are >> going. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > driving. in some states in the US it would be illegal for him to > drive. Yes. My words may have seemed harsh, but he needed to be told. You said it better than I did, Dennis.
I wonder if he will listen to either of us?
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Anthony Shipley - 17 Aug 2005 03:50 GMT >Yes. My words may have seemed harsh, but he needed to be told. >You said it better than I did, Dennis. > >I wonder if he will listen to either of us? Yes, I am quite capable of listening to you and others.
Unfortunately, for you, what you might glisten from my posts here is rather scant information particularly when others, such as my psychiatrist, family members and others able to make a better assessment than you (by being able to experience it for themselves) do not discern there is a current need to curtail entirely, my driving.
Of course, you are writing from the United States of America where you all have the God Given Gift of foresight and the sin of absolute knowledge.
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Evelyn Ruut - 17 Aug 2005 13:13 GMT >>Yes. My words may have seemed harsh, but he needed to be told. >>You said it better than I did, Dennis. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > have > the God Given Gift of foresight and the sin of absolute knowledge. Yes, Anthony. It's all about YOU. Never mind that you are impaired enough to have been actually diagnosed with a degenerative brain disease. In order for that to happen, you have to be showing some sort of deficits.
Tests have shown that the slightest impairment affects judgement and reaction time, even if it is only from a couple of drinks. How about a person who has actually been tested and diagnosed to have deficits medically?
Never mind that you might kill some innocent person when you experience a moment of forgetfulness. You are capable of listening, but obviously not capable of hearing. You cannot see things from a perspective outside your own scope.
From those who have seen the illness firsthand, it is one of the hallmarks of the illness, that the sufferers of this illness cannot see their own deficits and are not capable of judging their own abilities.
It isn't only YOU on the road, even though that seems to be all you are able to relate to.
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Dennis P. Harris - 18 Aug 2005 12:27 GMT > Yes, I am quite capable of listening to you and others. you might "listen" but you don't comprehend, which is why you're going into my killfile. you're just another troll as far as i'm concerned.
PLONK.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 16 Aug 2005 12:33 GMT Anthony, you also are NOT capable of assessing your own skills, no matter how you protest.
Been there with family members with AD, seen it for myself. They will SWEAR they are perfectly fine, and believe that with their whole hearts, no matter how impaired they are. People with progressive brain damage cannot see their own problems with any clarity, much less make a dispassionate and accurate assessment of their skills. Your own perceptions of your abilities can't be trusted.
Its not just about memory - its about emotional control, reasoning and problem solving, judgement, depth perception, reaction time, muscular coordination - all that stuff you need to be safe behind the wheel. Driving is not a right - its a priviledge contingent on being cognitively and physically intact enough to do it safely.
Mary
Karen - 16 Aug 2005 13:03 GMT IMO, the worst thing about Alzheimer's is that it impairs the organ you use to assess how impaired you are. The only reliable measurement of impairment must come from an impartial outsider.
I still remember being in the car with my MIL while she blew through a school zone at 50 mph. When we mentioned it, she insisted there was no school zone there. It had been added in the last couple of years. Another problem with Alzheimer's is that the world continues moving forward while the person with ALZ is moving backward or at best standing still.
Karen
> >What about slowed reactions, and inability to react appropriately to a > >sudden emergency? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. Karen - 16 Aug 2005 13:10 GMT IMO, the worst thing about Alzheimer's is that it impairs the organ you use to assess how impaired you are. The only reliable measurement of impairment must come from an impartial outsider.
I still remember being in the car with my MIL while she blew through a school zone at 50 mph. When we mentioned it, she insisted there was no school zone there. It had been added in the last couple of years. Another problem with Alzheimer's is that the world continues moving forward while the person with ALZ is moving backward or at best standing still.
Karen
> >What about slowed reactions, and inability to react appropriately to a > >sudden emergency? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > 2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2. Tumbleweed - 16 Aug 2005 19:25 GMT >>What about slowed reactions, and inability to react appropriately to a >>sudden emergency? If have Az, you are therefore *by definition* impaired in those factors.
> Well, I'm quite happy for you to come and assess my skills/judgement at > your own > cost. That isnt the issue, you specifically implied that you'd rather get to the stage where your driving was so bad you could be killed, rather than give up driving.
In which case, you could easily kill someone else as well as, or instead of, you.
Or do you think you'll get to a point where you admit you need to give up...bearing in mind that, anecdotally at least, most Az patients dont seem to, because they dont ecognise how badly impaired they are (almost in itselfa defining Az factor)?
> Get a life!! That might be what we'd be saying to the people you'd killed due to your denial.
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John Inzer - 17 Aug 2005 05:29 GMT > Without knowing, that's an unfair statement on your part. =================================== Without knowing what? I merely responded to what LindaJean said. If her husband cannot find his way home on familiar roads what makes me think that road signs would mean anything to him?
It's sad that you are so defensive about a progressive disease that could easily cause you to seriously injure or even kill yourself and / or others if you continue to drive a vehicle. ====================================
> I still want to live it -- even if it means I get stuck > between the tyres of a large truck. That's far better > than choking on my porridge (or eating it :-p) ==================================== Your thinking only includes you....what if the other vehicle is a school bus full of innocent children... would that be okay with you?
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LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 16:34 GMT > As others have said...there could be > many reasons for the memory loss [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- He isn't anywhere near that bad. He lives a normal life. Just that odd > things crop up LJ
> John Inzer John Inzer - 17 Aug 2005 05:33 GMT >> I have to wonder how long it may be >> before he forgets which side of the road >> he should be on. "LJ" wrote:
>> -- He isn't anywhere near that bad. He lives >> a normal life. Just that odd things crop up. ==================================== Denial is quite common...we've all been there with our loved ones. I just hope you can get a diagnosis soon...maybe your husband has a treatable illness.
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Baird Stafford - 16 Aug 2005 08:14 GMT <snip>
> We do tend to plain text (several folks are on webTV and that makes it > easier.) Many people tend to bottom post -- I tend to top-post and have to > remind myself to scroll down. 'Tisn't just webTVers who use plain text. Some of us have been on usenet for years and years (nearly fifteen, by now) and prefer to use a plain old newsreader rather than trusting one o' them new-fangled browser thangs.... Anything but ASCII text comes out looking like it's been through the garbage-chopper in the kitchen sink.
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Karen - 16 Aug 2005 12:58 GMT And since plain text won't carry an HTML virus, some of us just prefer plain text. I have the usual virus checker, but someone has to get a new virus in the first place for them to know what to look for.
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> 'Tisn't just webTVers who use plain text. Some of us have been on > usenet for years and years (nearly fifteen, by now) and prefer to use a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Blessed be, > Baird Baird Stafford - 16 Aug 2005 17:40 GMT > And since plain text won't carry an HTML virus, some of us just prefer plain > text. I have the usual virus checker, but someone has to get a new virus in > the first place for them to know what to look for. Professional observation: HTML will not carry a virus: it is read-only, and executables are impossible to write in the language. Java, JavaScript and anything that carries an .exe suffix are the culprits, here, as is a Micro$oft thingie called "Always Ready" or something like that. In other words, the only way to be truly safe is to turn off all features that are considered by the manufacturer of your browser or OS to be "for your convenience."
Of course, then you won't be able to use a lot of legitimate web pages that use the same features.... I turn Java and JavaScript on and off as I require them, turning them on only for pages from which I'm posibive I'll get no worms, viruses nor trojan horses.
Blessed be, Baird who also uses a Mac, for which few such things are written because of it's tiny (comparatively) market share.
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Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2005 00:07 GMT > Hello everyone, is it acceptable for new people to jump in here :-) > My name is LindaJean----LJ for short > I read a bit and see you use plain text and bottom replies am I correct? Welcome Linda Jean. Nice to have you with us. Yes on both questions.
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LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT Welcome Linda Jean. Nice to have you with us. Yes on both questions.
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Please forgive me if I make errors until I get more used to posting here ;-) thank you for the welcome. I am badly in need of advice and wandering in search of it
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Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2005 00:32 GMT > Please forgive me if I make errors until I get more used to posting here > ;-) > thank you for the welcome. I am badly in need of advice and wandering in > search of it > > LJ Don't worry about it. You came to the right place.
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Karen - 16 Aug 2005 02:07 GMT Some of us tend to top post (mainly to save the others from having to scroll). One thing that docs tend to view as harmless that can cause problems is prescriptions for statins. There are a few posters on this NG that are dealing with the aftereffects of an adverse reaction to "harmless" drugs like Lipitor. Songbird is right on target with the suggestion to get him to his PCP. You might want to do some web research on any drugs he is taking or check with your pharmacist. I've found doctors to be woefully ignorant of drug interactions.
Karen
> Please forgive me if I make errors until I get more used to posting here ;-) > thank you for the welcome. I am badly in need of advice and wandering in > search of it > > LJ LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 02:19 GMT Great thanks, <----top posting hahaha He does take a drug for cholesterol but nothing else. I will check into that right away
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> Some of us tend to top post (mainly to save the others from having to > scroll). One thing that docs tend to view as harmless that can cause [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> LJ Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2005 03:08 GMT > Some of us tend to top post (mainly to save the others from having to > scroll). One thing that docs tend to view as harmless that can cause [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Karen There is actually a BOOK called "Lipitor, thief of memory" Someone mentioned it on the diabetes newsgroup. I finally am feeling a little bit better after stopping Lipitor. It didn't affect my memory but it made my legs so weak I could hardly walk.
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Pattycake - 16 Aug 2005 05:30 GMT LJ -
I can not stress how quickly you must go to a Doctor and demand some answers. Time is always of the essence where memory is concerned. The brain can be a non-forgiving organ and you need to know what's going on as quickly as possible. PET scans, MRI's, all are very effective diagnostic tools.
Don't let the Doctor shove you aside. They often don't know much about dementia issues. You can even contact your local Alzheimer's association to get a referral to someone who deals with memory issues.
I'm going to hope for the best results possible for you, perhaps it is a dietary deficiency, but if that's not the case the sooner you get good answers, the better.
All my best,
Patty
LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 16:35 GMT > I can not stress how quickly you must go to a Doctor and demand some > answers. Time is always of the essence where memory is concerned. The [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Thank you I am going to talk to him about the doctor LJ
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Aug 2005 16:43 GMT Hi Linda Jean,
I hope none of us has scared you off, it isn't meant that way. It is just that sometimes confusion is a result of some other medical condition. Don't take any chances please. Send him for a checkup. Better yet, go with him to explain to the doctor exactly the kinds of things you are seeing.
I read somewhere that men often don't want to go to the doctor when they experience some symptom and it often gets out of control before they actually get checked. This could be one small factor in why men so often die sooner than women do.
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Florence A - 16 Aug 2005 18:09 GMT Another very important thing to take care of NOW is the legal stuff. Power of attorney, living will etc.Preferably before a diagnosis I was fortunate in that my husband suggested these things . It was a bit later that he admitted getting lost when driving.
Getting the car keys from him was a bit of a struggle..
Karen - 17 Aug 2005 04:29 GMT It isn't necessarily a "male" thing. I work with a 55+ woman that is 2 years overdue for her annual check-up. Last time (2 yrs ago) her doc was concerned about her triglycerides and blood sugar levels and said they needed to test it again in six months. So she's been waiting for a 2-3 week period when she's been eating "good enough" to have the tests done... for 2 years!
I had to tell her that medical tests aren't the kind of tests you study for.
:-) Karen
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> I read somewhere that men often don't want to go to the doctor when they > experience some symptom and it often gets out of control before they > actually get checked. This could be one small factor in why men so often > die sooner than women do. Dennis P. Harris - 16 Aug 2005 09:42 GMT > Hello everyone, is it acceptable for new people to jump in here :-) that's what we're here for, but it's alway a good idea to go to google groups and read some of the archives if you have particular questions, since they have probably been answered before.
> My name is LindaJean----LJ for short > I read a bit and see you use plain text and bottom replies am I correct? well, not quite. the *proper* way to post in any usenet newsgroup is to trim the post to which you are replying down to the parts that you are actually writing responses to, and then follow each quotation with a response.
nothing is more annoying to me than someone repeating an entire thread in one post, only to add one line at the bottom. i usually don't bother if there is no reply text in the second screenful.
as for your questions, the advice already given you about getting a thorough physical and neuro-psych exam is well founded. in particular, you should check the info on statins, whichever he is taking. you can find drug data sheets online with a google search or ask your pharmacist for a copy.
if your husband is either forgetful or in denial, you need to attend the appointment with him, and you need to tell the doctor in advance about your observations (give him some concrete examples, preferably close enough together to show that incidents are not just occasional).
i found it helpful to fax an occasional letter to my mother's doctor a couple of days before appointments, asking that the doc be told about it well in advance of the appointment.
you need to get a copy of "the 36 hour day" by mace & rabin, available at any large bookstore, or your local library.
the FAQ for this newsgroup is at http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/faq.htm
LindaJean - 16 Aug 2005 16:38 GMT Untitled Normal PageLJ
thank you for the info LJ
Gwen Love - 17 Aug 2005 01:33 GMT LJ, some use bottom replies, and some use top. And yes, just jump right on in. Gwen
> Hello everyone, is it acceptable for new people to jump in here :-) > My name is LindaJean----LJ for short > I read a bit and see you use plain text and bottom replies am I correct?
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