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Lee - 22 Jul 2005 01:51 GMT
would SHE ever have done this for anyone?

she is so demanding, impatient, rude, messy.... did I mention demanding?

Maybe if I thought she might have when she was well, I'd resent it less?

Maybe not.

Hubby just called....  hasn't left work yet (he closed 40 minutes ago
supposedly)  I'm tired of being understanding... of him coming home whenever
the hell he feels like it.

I'm tired of everybody TAKING from me ... taking and taking and taking
and....

kid asked for money again today ...what part of I'm NOT WORKING RIGHT NOW -
I dont' HAVE any money is it so hard for them to grasp?

And HRH of course.... she just gets worse and worse and I know it is the
illness but that doesn't change the fact that I AM BURNED OUT AND I CAN'T
DEAL WITH IT ANYMORE
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 22 Jul 2005 07:07 GMT
Go get a job. They can't take advantage of you if you don't permit it.
Don't "enable" your husband's inaction. If he wishes to look after your
mother in your home, he needs to be fully accountable for arranging the
full time care she needs, which includes .

Give him a deadline, go apply for a job, go away for an extended visit
to relatives, sign up for whatever outside activities you want to do
(in other words, draw the line in the sand and as of that date, resume
your life). Turn the job over to him and his sibs and......check out of
Hotel Hell.

Its in your power to stop this.

Mary G.
Evelyn Ruut - 22 Jul 2005 13:30 GMT
> Go get a job. They can't take advantage of you if you don't permit it.
> Don't "enable" your husband's inaction. If he wishes to look after your
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>
> Mary G.

Dear Lee,

I agree completely with what Mary says above.   You don't need to be a party
to the craziness of trying so hard to care for her at home at this difficult
time.   The other alternative is to hire professionals (with her money) to
watch her at home and to keep her out of your hair.
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Florence A - 23 Jul 2005 17:15 GMT
Maybe OT   ---today as I wiped my stove & looked at all the dug out
porcelain I thought of Evelyn.and Ida.  I was going thru the same
(helping & cleaning) silage with Don.

How many times over the years have I read a post and thought-    "me
too"  ?
Evelyn Ruut - 24 Jul 2005 03:20 GMT
> Maybe OT   ---today as I wiped my stove & looked at all the dug out
> porcelain I thought of Evelyn.and Ida.  I was going thru the same
> (helping & cleaning) silage with Don.
>
> How many times over the years have I read a post and thought-    "me
> too"  ?

Hi Florence,

Poor thing, she was just trying to help..... And I had just gotten my
dream-stove, and the shiny new stainless steel surface I was so proud of had
irreparable scratches in it.    Now it is 5 years old, Ida is gone, and I
don't even care about the scratches anymore.

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llee - 26 Jul 2005 13:46 GMT
so.... I left.... am on google on a friend's computer.... just had it.
Wasn't anything to do with ma... at least not directly ....

now I have to decide... go home, go visit a kid or two, stay here and
impose?  I just don't know what to do ... his behaviour yesterday was
absolutely uncalled for

he used to be so supportive ... now that I'm burned out and stressed
out and miserable and NEED his support, he is SO anything but. About
anything.... my kids (that was what the fight was about) ... my job (or
lack thereof) ... the computer part of our business... and especially
my taking care of his mother (her behaviours are all my fault - or
maybe my kids' fault - yes, really! According to him, they stress me
out and that's why I have more trouble dealing with her - it's THEIR
fault) Naught to do with the ALZHEIMERS.  Totally
irrational....stupid... ridiculous. I can't deal with it ...with him.

I'm tired. Really really really really tired. And just the thought of
going back there today makes me feel sick to my stomach ... so guess
now I'm down to two options.
Tumbleweed - 26 Jul 2005 17:46 GMT
> so.... I left.... am on google on a friend's computer.... just had it.
> Wasn't anything to do with ma... at least not directly ....
<snip>

> I'm tired. Really really really really tired. And just the thought of
> going back there today makes me feel sick to my stomach ... so guess
> now I'm down to two options.

Stay away , he'll only "get it" when he has to cope with her 24x7.
Stay away until he gets it. Dont go back. because ...

...if its  "she goes in a home or I go" it seems to me you only have 1
choice. Stay away.

Because I don't think you have the second option, of going back, because
you'll only stress out and end up leaving (again) a few days later anyway.
Or thats what I am reading between the lines of your message.

If you stay away I'm guessing she'll have to go in a home anyway, right?

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Bud - 26 Jul 2005 17:53 GMT
> I'm tired. Really really really really tired. And just the thought of
> going back there today makes me feel sick to my stomach ... so guess
> now I'm down to two options.

Damn, Lee, wish I had advice but all I can offer is my sympathy that
you're caught in this not-that-rare situation. Good luck in your choice
whatever it be. Hope the light dawns on whats-his-name's head. It takes
plenty to deal with this disease. Best wishes!
Evelyn Ruut - 26 Jul 2005 18:59 GMT
> so.... I left.... am on google on a friend's computer.... just had it.
> Wasn't anything to do with ma... at least not directly ....
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> going back there today makes me feel sick to my stomach ... so guess
> now I'm down to two options.

Dear Lee,

I am so sad for you.  I know how awful you feel, really I do.   There were
many times I felt like that over the last couple of years.  Especially when
he is not being supportive, it feels like the pressure is coming in from all
sides.    I am not going to offer you any suggestions, only you can know
what is best and right for your circumstances.    But knowing that others
understand, sometimes is a help.

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Dennis P. Harris - 27 Jul 2005 06:26 GMT
> go visit a kid or two

well, if the kid is willing and sympathetic...  i sooo understand
what you're going through.  my siblings were always quick to tell
me *i* was doing everything wrong, too.  and then my sisters
seemed to think that when my mother was dying, i should just
schedule myself for a shift in spite of the fact that i had just
returned from a month long vacation and needed to catch up at
work!

i told them that after 15 years it was *their* turn, since they
had finally showed up to help, and that working was going to help
me maintain my sanity, not sitting around the house waiting for
the inevitable.

yeah, i'd go visit a kid until you know that he's really got it.
JM Van_Horn - 27 Jul 2005 08:22 GMT
You must know that you won't help anything by going back.  I'm surprised
you haven't done this much earlier.  It's no help to him to allow him to be
a jerk and abuse you.

I really hope you can take care of yourself - some people can't and I
hope that's not you.

Joan

> so.... I left.... am on google on a friend's computer.... just had it.
> Wasn't anything to do with ma... at least not directly ....
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> going back there today makes me feel sick to my stomach ... so guess
> now I'm down to two options.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 27 Jul 2005 14:34 GMT
Lee's hubbie needs some reminder about marriage vows. You honour your
parents, but your first loyalty has to be to your spouse. I mean, isn't
the underpinning based on the "...a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

Right now, he seems a little confused about the ranking. No question
its Wife #1, Mother #2. If the marriage is damaged or worse, the loss
is incalculable (and one presumes he does intend to outlive his mother,
and thus have some sort of life beyond AD). He needs a reality check.
And again, I think he really needs to be taking care of her himself, so
he can get tuned in to the full burden he's placing on others because
he's in denial, and get out of the blame rut to explain her AD caused
behaviours. Let him take a leave of absence from his work for a couple
of months. A temporary loss of income has to be cheaper in the long run
than a divorce

Lee, go visit some friends or relatives for a month or two!! C'mon up
here, we'll go hang out at my cottage and watch the hummingbirds!

Mary
llee - 28 Jul 2005 14:45 GMT
thanks for the offer :)

things are going somewhat better...I'm still not at home, but we're
talking... and he's having the ~fun~ of dealing with the day to day
stuff on top of trying to work and so on ...

home care messed him up yesterday, and then he didn't have anyone for
today and he was getting stressed out about it... it was hard but I
kept my mouth shut and let him deal with it.

It's not all him .... he's in fix it mode and trying to protect me and
fix everything for me and all that fun stuff... easy to be angry at him
when he just tells me ~solutions~ all the time (and cut off my kids is
not a ~solution~ that I'm EVER going to appreciate or accept ) ....
but I do have some responsibility for the whole dynamic... the more
depressed and miserable I've become the more he tries to 'fix it' ...

So .... he has to stop trying to solve all my problems for me... but I
also have to start trying to do it for myself...

and I have to stop going directly to the most negative possible
interpretation of everything ...I've started journalling again, which
really really helps with that.

Anyway ... I don't know when I'm going to go home...  I really wish the
social worker from the Alzheimer society would call ... I called there
on Tuesday and they said she would get back to me as quickly as
possible...

he has done the paperwork for placement finally though...  and made
arrangements to have it delivered to where it needs to go (today) ...
big step for him
Florence A - 28 Jul 2005 16:48 GMT
While you are keeping your mouth shut, are you looking for work any
where. doing anything.

Not one day a week.  but everyday, paying less, so what? Working while
looking for another job  seems to me, the smart thing to do. It would be
ok to pay your paycheck to someone else to take care of Mom.

Sounds like you are caving.  His Mom's situation is not your fault.  Nor
your kids fault.  You will always be their Mom.   Not always the easiest
job in the world either.

Hope this doesn't seem too harsh....just different..    
llee - 30 Jul 2005 14:28 GMT
until I sort things out a bit more, not much point... this is a very
small town and I don't have a car to get me anyplace .... we have
worked out that I'm to be paid - money that I CAN use towards my kids
without a fuss/argument ..for the time I'm at the store though... which
is a start.
Evelyn Ruut - 30 Jul 2005 14:25 GMT
> until I sort things out a bit more, not much point... this is a very
> small town and I don't have a car to get me anyplace .... we have
> worked out that I'm to be paid - money that I CAN use towards my kids
> without a fuss/argument ..for the time I'm at the store though... which
> is a start.

Good, Lee.   A start, yes.

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Gwen Love - 30 Jul 2005 18:57 GMT
A step in the right direction, Lee.
Gwen

> > until I sort things out a bit more, not much point... this is a very
> > small town and I don't have a car to get me anyplace .... we have
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>
> Good, Lee.   A start, yes.
Dennis P. Harris - 31 Jul 2005 20:34 GMT
> until I sort things out a bit more, not much point... this is a very
> small town and I don't have a car to get me anyplace .... we have
> worked out that I'm to be paid - money that I CAN use towards my kids
> without a fuss/argument ..for the time I'm at the store though... which
> is a start.

that's fine, but don't go back to the house until he deals with
the situation himself AND HE APOLOGIZES.  and i mean sincerely,
not just in an effort to get you to go back and take care of his
mother.
llee - 01 Aug 2005 13:59 GMT
he has ...and I'm still not back....

and he's making all sorts of arrangements so that when I do go back I'm
not to do ANY of the mama-sitting...which is silly and irritating me
all to hell ....

the problem is the way he and I have been communicating (or not) ...
and that without support, taking care of her all the time is
WAAAAAAAAAAY too much ....

too easy to 'blame' her for everything and miss the real problem ...
that's why I'm still here *sigh*
Evelyn Ruut - 01 Aug 2005 14:09 GMT
> he has ...and I'm still not back....
>
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> too easy to 'blame' her for everything and miss the real problem ...
> that's why I'm still here *sigh*

Be honest with him and from the heart, Lee.
He needs to know that.

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llee - 05 Aug 2005 02:36 GMT
progress in working all this junk out is soooooooo slow .... today I
was so angry I could have spit nails...  obviously not ready to home
quite yet

the social worker from the Alzheimer society finally called me ... I
missed the call...will call her back on Monday (next time she's in
*sigh*) Don't know what good it'll do but I figure it can't hurt to
talk to her at least.
JM Van_Horn - 01 Aug 2005 16:31 GMT
> and he's making all sorts of arrangements so that when I do go back I'm
> not to do ANY of the mama-sitting...which is silly and irritating me
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> and that without support, taking care of her all the time is
> WAAAAAAAAAAY too much ....

You described him verbally abusing and scapegoating you - that
doesn't sound like a communication problem.

> too easy to 'blame' her for everything and miss the real problem ...
> that's why I'm still here *sigh*

Sounds like you're taking good steps.  You may need a lawyer
at some point.

joan
Evelyn Ruut - 28 Jul 2005 17:53 GMT
> thanks for the offer :)
>
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> arrangements to have it delivered to where it needs to go (today) ...
> big step for him

Hooray!  It is a start.

Glad he is making some moves, and cares enough to try and fix things.

Him learning to respect the fact your kids are your kids, is essential.

We are also a 'blended' family with kids from both sides.  It isn't always a
smooth road, but the rewards are great when it works.

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llee - 30 Jul 2005 14:24 GMT
we both need to work on communicating a whole lot better than we have
been ....but we'll get there, I think ... hope

I'm still staying at a friend's... but we talk every day ... today I'm
working at the store - and getting paid for it, which is new
Gwen Love - 28 Jul 2005 20:48 GMT
Lee, a step in the right direction.
Gwen

> thanks for the offer :)
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> arrangements to have it delivered to where it needs to go (today) ...
> big step for him
Jo Ann Malina - 03 Aug 2005 10:51 GMT
llee <sleeplessinwherever@hotmail.com> is alleged to have said:
> It's not all him .... he's in fix it mode and trying to protect me and
> fix everything for me and all that fun stuff... easy to be angry at him
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> interpretation of everything ...I've started journalling again, which
> really really helps with that.

Isn't this the typical guy thing?  "Well, why did you tell me about
it if you didn't want me to fix it?"  Except it isn't just for guys,
I do the same thing unless I catch myself and just listen.

Trying to fix stuff can express caring, though if the solutions are
not acceptable, he needs to learn to get off them and not push.  You
need a friend who will listen and not judge.  We can do that, although
the impulse is certainly to make suggestions.

As for how tired you've said you are, I can relate.  My mother spent
5 days in the hospital in June after she fell and I couldn't get her
up.  Turned out to be an infection, which they cleared up with
antibiotics.  Once I knew it wasn't life threatening, I could actually
relax and feel happier than I have in the 2 years since she came to
stay.

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Lee - 22 Jul 2005 15:52 GMT
think that's the biggest part of the meltdown I had last night.... and I did
most definitely have a meltdown ...

I have SO been looking forward to getting back to work in September... I
love my job and it pays very very well and I've been counting on it... if I
can just make it til then it'll all be better (because I'll be at work, not
here; have my own money, and be doing what I love to do, i.e. teach)

but yesterday on top of everything else I got an email that it doesn't look
as though it will run - not enough students have yet signed up for the
course (although there ARE already more than 2x as many as we ran with last
time) and the new boss doesn't intend to run with 'so few' IT HAS TO RUN. I
NEED IT TO RUN!   :(

Or, I guess, I need to find something else altogether.... can't keep dealing
with this on/off, cancel at the last minute garbage, I just can't. They just
cancelled another of the one day courses I was supposedly teaching this
summer... that makes 4  *sigh*  Really bites though.... no way I'll find
anything that pays even half as well.... but then again, with all the
cancellations and postponements, it really doesn't pay all that well either.
$15/hour that I DO get paid is a lot more than $50/hour that I don't :(

> Go get a job. They can't take advantage of you if you don't permit it.
> Don't "enable" your husband's inaction. If he wishes to look after your
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>
> Mary G.
 
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