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Lee - 18 Jun 2005 02:36 GMT
anyone had any experience with the use of Ativan re: managing agitation and
just plain old obnoxious behaviour?

my MIL's doctor prescribed it for use "as necessary" ... just used it for
the first time .... on her, not me, though which of us needs it more at this
point is debatable LOL

I feel rather guilty about it - knocking her out for my convenience ... but
she's had SUCH a bad day! She's losing her ability to communicate
effectively, but she thinks she is telling us something  - gets SO
frustrated with us when we just can't figure out what she's going on about.
The home care provider was totally frazzled after a 4 hour shift ... now
I've had her for 4 and I've about had it -  couldn't distract her, couldn't
reassure her, couldn't figure out what's got her knickers in a knot... so I
gave her an Ativan, waited a few minutes, and put her to bed ....figured it
would be preferable to yelling at her or locking myself in the bathroom to
try to get away from her .... she's been following me in there today too ...
have to hold the door closed while she pulls and pulls at it every time I'm
in there.

Anyway ...I'm assuming it's relatively safe, or the doctor wouldn't have
given it to her, but.....

Works fast if nothing else...   she hasn't settled yet, but at least she's
stopped pulling at me
Bud - 18 Jun 2005 03:04 GMT
> Works fast if nothing else...   she hasn't settled yet, but at least she's
> stopped pulling at me.

Ativan has been around a while and is fairly low in side-effects, the
main being drowsiness. I had to give it to my wife early on when she
went through the paranoid/delusional stage and thought I was trying to
have her declared insane and put her away. Sadly, that was the eventual
requirement of the Alzheimer's progression.
DON'T feel guilty about trying to maintain a semblance of order in your
(and her) life. It's a tough road you travel as others here can testify,
and you will need all the rest and strength that medications can provide
so take advantage of the doctor's treatments. Take advantage of the fine
people here and the advice/support they offer. Many have BTDT so get
some rest and go at it again tomorrow. Good Luck.

Bud
Lee - 18 Jun 2005 18:32 GMT
I think it'd be easier to give if there was a more clear direction re: when
to give it ... the way it is, it's just a judgement call .... but it
definitely did help both of us ... she was less anxious and difficult to
deal with, and I could handle her more pleasantly .... something I find SO
hard to do when she'd physically in my space pulling at me and grabbing me,
etc ...

she's not too happy with me right at the moment... I'm having a very bad
asthma day - had to swap places and come home early (hubby's gone to the
store) but I REALLY don't feel up to much so have asked her to wait for the
~lady~ (45 minutes) to give her her bath and get her dressed.... she thought
that I'd hop to when I got home

he made her go for a car ride in her pjs rather than get her dressed - she
might not know much, but she knew that wasn't 'right' LOL

>> Works fast if nothing else...   she hasn't settled yet, but at least
>> she's stopped pulling at me.
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>
> Bud
Ronny TX - 20 Jun 2005 04:31 GMT
Re: Ativan  
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sat, Jun 18, 2005, 1:32pm (CDT+1)
From: sleeplessinwherever@hotmail.com (Lee)
I think it'd be easier to give if there was a more clear direction re:
when to give it ... the way it is, it's just a judgement call .... but
it definitely did help both of us ... she was less anxious and difficult
to deal with, and I could handle her more pleasantly .... something I
find SO hard to do when she'd physically in my space pulling at me and
grabbing me, etc ...

Ronny:
Just my opinion and advice;but go with the lowest dose first,see how
that works and then up it a bit if needed,etc. It's OK, as the doctor
would of been extra precise if he or she hadn't trusted you to do and be
able to do and judge that very thing.

And now I'll tell you one way my Mom gets on my nerves! LoL Hot weather
here, AC going so nice and she still wants to cover me up with a sheet
or her pads when I'm napping in my living room recliner! :-( Or if I'm
napping in bed she will come in there and try to do the same. Even has
griped because I refuse to let her put a blanket on me! LoL Then twice
last week,while I was napping,she closed the door to the room that has
the AC in it and opened up the kitchen door to the part of the house we
don't air condition. It's 90 plus degrees in that part of the house and
I woke up hot,sweating and in lets say a not very good humor over all of
that! LoL
So now it's past time to put a dead bolt lock on the kitchen door so she
can't leave that door open. And I've grumped,
grumped about that one because I've not wanted to do that yet while I'm
still cleaning on the back room! :-( LoL

Lee:
she's not too happy with me right at the moment... I'm having a very bad
asthma day - had to swap places and come home early (hubby's gone to the
store) but I REALLY don't feel up to much so have asked her to wait for
the ~lady~ (45 minutes) to give her her bath and get her dressed.... she
thought that I'd hop to when I got home

Ronny:
Sorry to hear about you having that trouble with you asthma! :-(

Lee:
he made her go for a car ride in her pjs rather than get her dressed -
she might not know much, but she knew that wasn't 'right' LOL

Ronny:
Now that ones funny! LoL
Evelyn Ruut - 18 Jun 2005 03:24 GMT
> anyone had any experience with the use of Ativan re: managing agitation
> and just plain old obnoxious behaviour?
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> Works fast if nothing else...   she hasn't settled yet, but at least she's
> stopped pulling at me

Don't feel guilty.   You have to do what you have to do.   Being driven
insane is not good for your own health either, and if a pill will give you a
minutes peace, then so be it.   Besides that, it isn't good for her to be so
agitated either.    That restlessness, confusion and agitation is completely
understandable when you realize what is happening to a persons brain through
the process of the illness, but it can be hell on caregivers.

My mother in law was on Aricept (for memory) and Zoloft (for depression),
and as she progressed through her illness and grew more agitated he
increased the Zoloft in small increments up to a certain point, which kept
her pretty much happy and more "normal" acting for a long time.

But as time went on she started becoming agitated again due to delusions.
The doctor prescribed Risperdol (an anti-psychotic) and it worked like a
charm for her..... and thankfully for us too.

There are other kinds of medications that are used with alzheimers disease,
but it is important to describe what kind of symptoms you are seeing to your
doctor so he can know which would be best.

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Evelyn

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Lee - 18 Jun 2005 04:30 GMT
we tried risperdol a while ago ... she was HORRID on it.... more agitated -
and woke up delusional in the night -  I'd catch her putting on her coat to
go out and 'get the police' or whatever .....  now she's on zyprexa at
bedtime, but it doesn't seem to have much effect at all any more (other than
to mess up her blood sugar) ..... and her doctor would rather we use the
ativan rather than increase that any more.

even with the Ativan it took well over an hour of the bedtime ~game~ to get
her in bed and settled - but at least she settled down enough to be
tolerable .... I only gave her one even though the instructions said 2

SIL has FINALLY  booked appts to look at nursing home - they're going next
Friday .... so far hubby's only agreed to 'try respite care' but it's a
start ...and we have all agreed that it makes sense to decide on our
preferences re: actual placement and use them for respite

>> anyone had any experience with the use of Ativan re: managing agitation
>> and just plain old obnoxious behaviour?
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> disease, but it is important to describe what kind of symptoms you are
> seeing to your doctor so he can know which would be best.
Evelyn Ruut - 18 Jun 2005 13:33 GMT
> we tried risperdol a while ago ... she was HORRID on it.... more
> agitated - and woke up delusional in the night -  I'd catch her putting on
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> start ...and we have all agreed that it makes sense to decide on our
> preferences re: actual placement and use them for respite

Hi Lee,

That is absolutely amazing that she got more agitated on the Risperdol.
Strange disease this is, and I think it may have something to do with which
part of the brain is losing its neurons first.   In Idas case, the Risperdol
knocked her nearly out.   She was much calmer and she would follow
directions easier, and she would fall asleep on the sofa a lot.

The doctor also prescribed her two a day but we noticed it had such a
powerful effect on her that we backed it down to one a day and kept it like
that, even though she still had some delusions, but it gave less side
effects that way.

I have heard of certain people for whom this or that drug created exactly
the opposite of the desired effects, depending on the particular type of
alzheimers they have.    In particular there is one called "Picks" and
another "frontal lobe" dementias... but my information on those is spotty.
I think there might be more on our website for this group about the various
kinds of dementias.

Here is the link in case you might want to check it out.

http://www.muggsmulcher.com/kstuff/a.s.a/intro.htm

By the way, Lee..... I hope you get that much needed break!

A little aside.... changes are difficult for alzheimer patients, but more
for the families in truth, than it is for them.    Once your MIL is
situated, maybe you might get the family to consider longer term placement.
There is no shame in it at all, and I wondered what on earth I waited for,
after I saw how well Ida adapted and what good care they took of her.

If I had it to do over again, I would not have waited as long as I did.
Everybody here told me, but I didn't much think she'd adapt as well as she
did.   I was wrong.

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Lee - 18 Jun 2005 14:28 GMT
I really think that she'll adjust much better than hubby & his sisters think
....  she will be less likely to see herself as constantly ~alone~ ... and
as someone mentioned in another thread, it's likely to feel more relaxed for
her ...she does pick up on tension/frustration. Even when things are going
well, she's always afraid she's going to do something wrong  *sigh*

>> we tried risperdol a while ago ... she was HORRID on it.... more
>> agitated - and woke up delusional in the night -  I'd catch her putting
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> Everybody here told me, but I didn't much think she'd adapt as well as she
> did.   I was wrong.
Evelyn Ruut - 18 Jun 2005 18:38 GMT
>I really think that she'll adjust much better than hubby & his sisters
>think ....  she will be less likely to see herself as constantly ~alone~
>... and as someone mentioned in another thread, it's likely to feel more
>relaxed for her ...she does pick up on tension/frustration. Even when
>things are going well, she's always afraid she's going to do something
>wrong  *sigh*

Well, it is as simple an exercise as this.  Picture yourself as being ill.
Would you really rather be with relatives, who, loving as they may be, would
be stressed out and exhausted to their utter limits in caring for you, or in
a professional facility, where you are an individual with all your dignity
intact?

I thought because of Ida's ethnicity and her keeping only within her own
little community all her life, and only speaking her own language as much as
possible, she might have a hard time adapting.   I was completely wrong.
She adapted very well and very quickly.   She also never forgot her english
either, which was a great fear of ours.

But to be fair, she kept asking when she was going home, but it was nearly a
habitual thing, not really something she expected an answer to.

We saw her many times when she didn't know we had arrived yet, and she was
comfortable and interacting with the caregivers well.

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Evelyn

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Karen - 19 Jun 2005 19:11 GMT
There is a resident at my MIL's facility that has forgotten her english and
it's so sad because their world becomes strange enough anyway.  I've often
wondered how much stranger it must be for her... no one can understand her
language and the food has to be radically different from where she is in her
own mind.  But, as I understand it, even her kids don't speak her native
language -- they grew up in the US with her speaking english.

Karen

---snip---
> I thought because of Ida's ethnicity and her keeping only within her own
> little community all her life, and only speaking her own language as much as
> possible, she might have a hard time adapting.   I was completely wrong.
> She adapted very well and very quickly.   She also never forgot her english
> either, which was a great fear of ours.
---snip---
Evelyn Ruut - 20 Jun 2005 01:03 GMT
> There is a resident at my MIL's facility that has forgotten her english
> and
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>
> Karen

Yes, just another little unpredictable anomaly in the strange way alzheimers
affects different people in different ways.    Today at the memorial service
I heard of another nursing home resident who had also lost her ability to
speak english and they were looking for someone in her area who could help
her be understood.

As I mentioned, we were very fortunate in that Ida didn't lose her english
skills, even up to the end.

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Dennis P. Harris - 19 Jun 2005 04:24 GMT
> even with the Ativan it took well over an hour of the bedtime ~game~ to get
> her in bed and settled - but at least she settled down enough to be
> tolerable .... I only gave her one even though the instructions said 2

next time try 2, like the instructions say.  it's not going to
hurt her, it will take effect much faster, and you'll appreciate
the extra peace and quiet.
Lee - 19 Jun 2005 04:47 GMT
will do ... although today I think it's hubby and I that need it more than
her .... we've both had QUITE ENOUGH

>> even with the Ativan it took well over an hour of the bedtime ~game~ to
>> get
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> hurt her, it will take effect much faster, and you'll appreciate
> the extra peace and quiet.
Evelyn Ruut - 19 Jun 2005 11:11 GMT
> will do ... although today I think it's hubby and I that need it more than
> her .... we've both had QUITE ENOUGH

I remember the weekends.  They were the worst.   Ida went to the daycare
center during the weekdays, and evenings weren't so bad, but the weekends
were the pits.   She would be restless and ask a million questions all the
time, and nothing one could say would placate her for more than a second or
two.   Hope your respite comes through soon, Lee.

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Ronny TX - 20 Jun 2005 04:14 GMT
Re: Ativan    
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Fri,
Jun 17, 2005, 11:30pm (CDT+1) From:
sleeplessinwherever@hotmail.com (Lee)
Lee to Evelyn:
we tried risperdol a while ago ... she
was HORRID on it.... more agitated - and
woke up delusional in the night - I'd
catch her putting on her coat to go out
and 'get the police' or whatever .....
now she's on zyprexa at bedtime, but it
doesn't seem to have much effect at all
any more (other than to mess up her
blood sugar) ..... and her doctor would
rather we use the ativan rather than
increase that any more.
even with the Ativan it took well over
an hour of the bedtime ~game~ to get her
in bed and settled - but at least she
settled down enough to be tolerable ....
I only gave her one even though the
instructions said 2
SIL has FINALLY booked appts to look at
nursing home - they're going next Friday
... so far hubby's only agreed to 'try
respite care' but it's a start ...and we
have all agreed that it makes sense to
decide on our preferences re: actual
placement and use them for respite

Ronny:
Good to hear that he's at least agreed to try respite care! :-)

And I've found that I can simply change around Mom's Ativan until we hit
on what seems to be best for her. That used to be 1/2 of a 1mg tablet 2
or 3 times a day- usually 2 times. Right now I'm giving her 1-1mg tablet
once a day. Will up that a bit if I see she needs it and it then see it
helps her.

And BTW,try to remember to give your MIL her nightime Ativan at least an
hour before you hope she will be asleep. :-)
Glenfiddich - 18 Jun 2005 15:32 GMT
>anyone had any experience with the use of Ativan re: managing agitation and
>just plain old obnoxious behaviour?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>I feel rather guilty about it - knocking her out for my convenience ... but
>she's had SUCH a bad day! ...

Don't feel guilty - it made life easier for *her*, which is what we'd
all want.
It wasn't just for *your* convenience, it was for her benefit too.
Lee - 18 Jun 2005 18:27 GMT
thanks for the input

think I'll be more inclined to use it sooner next time ... don't want to
OVER use it .... but no sense waiting til we're both SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
frustrated

it's almost like labour pains LOL   normally she's in my space about once
every 5/10 minutes ... the more agitated she gets the closer her ~visits~
get ....     and the more demanding

>>anyone had any experience with the use of Ativan re: managing agitation
>>and
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> all want.
> It wasn't just for *your* convenience, it was for her benefit too.
oldhag - 19 Jun 2005 14:37 GMT
Lee,
What is the dosage of the Ativan you are giving?
When I am working and my little tricks to calm someone down don't work (
taking them to the Bathroom, Walking in them outside for a bit and a few
others ) I check to see when they last had a bowel movement as
constipation can cause agitation and then I think pain. This will cause
them to be upset also but they don't recognize that it is pain they are
experienceing. I try Tylenol first and if this doesn't work then I will
resort to good ole Ativan.

Donna

> thanks for the input
>
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> every 5/10 minutes ... the more agitated she gets the closer her ~visits~
> get ....     and the more demanding
Lee - 19 Jun 2005 15:31 GMT
definitely isn't constipation with her!

Usually it's just plain ol' crankiness ...  or more accurately, bad dynamics
between us .... she gets downright bitchy, demanding, and rude towards me -
I can put up with it for awhile - often for hours... but eventually I snap
at her and tell her she has to wait for something ....

then I'm 'mad' and she has to ~fix it~ by mauling me every 30 seconds for
HOURS ...doesn't ~get~ that the fact that she won't leave me alone, give me
2 frigging inches of personal space, STOP GRABBING AT ME!!!!!!!!!!! makes me
more "mad"

trying to stay calm, distract her (ice cream used to work), joke with her,
be 'not mad' doesn't slow her down -  nor does trying to physically remove
myself for a bit (to the bathroom or outside)  - once she gets going she
just won't stop usually till hubby comes and takes over  (even then, she
doesn't STOP, just transfers over to him - although her response to his
'mad' is generally less physical / demanding ...she'll go hide in her room
for a bit)

the Ativan tablets are .5mg ... directions say she can have 2 tablets  twice
a day 'as needed'

we're putting a lock on the bathroom door today so that I have SOMEPLACE
that I can go to get AWAY from her .... without physically having to hold
the door shut while she pulls on the other side and begs to be allowed in  -
I'm sure she'll still try to open it and beg, but at least I'll be able to
use the washroom without the battle over the door

when I asked hubby for the lock he said on one condition - the FIRST time
you feel the need to use it to get away from her, you give her the Ativan -
full dose ... he thinks I'm not using it early enough - or enough, period
.... I suppose he's right, but ....

> Lee,
> What is the dosage of the Ativan you are giving?
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>> every 5/10 minutes ... the more agitated she gets the closer her ~visits~
>> get ....     and the more demanding
Dennis P. Harris - 19 Jun 2005 21:09 GMT
> when I asked hubby for the lock he said on one condition - the FIRST time
> you feel the need to use it to get away from her, you give her the Ativan -
> full dose ... he thinks I'm not using it early enough - or enough, period
> .... I suppose he's right, but ....

for once he IS right!  remember, it's not good or pleasant for
her to be so agitated, either.  you need to deal with a anxiety,
not with the behavioral symptoms resulting from it.  give her the
ativan and give yourself a chance to relax.
Ronny TX - 20 Jun 2005 04:54 GMT
Re: Ativan  
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Sun, Jun 19, 2005, 10:31am (CDT+1)
From: sleeplessinwherever@hotmail.com (Lee)
definitely isn't constipation with her!
Usually it's just plain ol' crankiness ... or more accurately, bad
dynamics between us .... she gets downright bitchy, demanding, and rude
towards me - I can put up with it for awhile - often for hours... but
eventually I snap at her and tell her she has to wait for something ....
then I'm 'mad' and she has to ~fix it~ by mauling me every 30 seconds
for HOURS ...doesn't ~get~ that the fact that she won't leave me alone,
give me 2 frigging inches of personal space, STOP GRABBING AT
ME!!!!!!!!!!! makes me more "mad"
trying to stay calm, distract her (ice cream used to work), joke with
her, be 'not mad' doesn't slow her down - nor does trying to physically
remove myself for a bit (to the bathroom or outside) - once she gets
going she just won't stop usually till hubby comes and takes over (even
then, she doesn't STOP, just transfers over to him - although her
response to his 'mad' is generally less physical / demanding ...she'll
go hide in her room for a bit)

Ronny:
What gets to me is Mom will get tears or teared up when I get mad. {And
there are even times she asks me what I'm mad at her about when I'm not
even mad!} And of course,I feel bad and guilty when my getting mad
upsets her and that because I know she not doing anything to purposely
make me mad. She does things and simply doesn't know any better or she
thinks she doing something right and good. Especially the part about
covering me up so I won't get cold. :-)

Lee:
the Ativan tablets are .5mg ... directions say she can have 2 tablets
twice
a day 'as needed'

Ronny:
1mg is what I'm giving Mom now. Was a 1/2mg tablet 2 or 3 times a day.
So far 1mg once a day is keeping her pretty calm. But will up that to
another a 2nd daily dose of 1/2mg or 1mg if I think that's needed.

Lee:
we're putting a lock on the bathroom door today so that I have SOMEPLACE
that I can go to get AWAY from her .... without physically having to
hold the door shut while she pulls on the other side and begs to be
allowed in - I'm sure she'll still try to open it and beg, but at least
I'll be able to use the washroom without the battle over the door

Ronny:
Y'all put in your bathroom door lock and I'll put in my kitchen door
deadbolt lock!:-)

And I was wondering about y'all not having a bathroom door lock?! But
then there uses to be 5 kids and 2 adults in this house,so we had to
have one! LoL

Lee:
when I asked hubby for the lock he said on one condition - the FIRST
time you feel the need to use it to get away from her, you give her the
Ativan - full dose ... he thinks I'm not using it early enough - or
enough, period .... I suppose he's right, but ....

Ronny:
You know I'm really admiring your patience with your husband here and
that's no joke! If it were me and he'd said that to me,I would of been
very tempted to hit him upside the head with something big and stout :-)
or at the least told him short and sweet where he could go jump!LoL
Adelle - 20 Jun 2005 20:06 GMT
> definitely isn't constipation with her!
>
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> 'mad' is generally less physical / demanding ...she'll go hide in her room
> for a bit)

The process of AD is much like the process of development, only backward.
When my toddlers were in that grabby, clingy phase that had me in tears, I
found eventually, I had to sit down and cuddle them, no matter how much I
needed space and bodily integrity. And once you're mad at her, it creates a
secondary anxiety - not only was she upset about something before, but now
the person she relies upon to keep her safe is angry and wants to leave her
alone.

But you can't cuddle an adult with AD. They don't fit on your lap and you
can't snuggle and rock them. They aren't infants and infantilizing them
doesn't really meet their needs.The best you can do is attend to their
anxiety in an age appropriate way which is effective for the individual. And
if that's a higher dose of Ativan than you've been using, then that's OK -
because you are meeting her needs in the way that works for her.

If you are escaping to the bathroom for a mental health break, then perhaps
you've waited too long for the Ativan. Are their any signs that show the
anxiety is gaining momentum? If yes, you should have a behavior in mind that
if she is doing x, then you will giver her a full dose, so she doesn't get
to the grabbing at you, being right on top of you stage.

This stage doesn't last forever. Sadly, the disease eventually progresses.
It may be a few years, but eventually the ability to emote is flattened. So
you aren't using a chemical straight jacket; you are helping her cope with
out-of-control emotions. And it won't be forever; only as long as she needs
them.

Adelle
Lee - 20 Jun 2005 21:35 GMT
it's similar to measuring labour pains, actually ....  in her ~normal~ state
she visits me (comes to stand within an inch or so of me) about once every
5/10 minutes.... I ask her what she wants, sometimes she will want
something, eventually I guess right, she says yes, and she'll go sit down
once she has it ... other times she doesn't want anything .... just wants to
be close to me ... the more agitated she gets, the closer together - and
more physical - the visits get... at her worst, she doesn't even sit down
... will go back to her chair (which is only about 5 steps from mine
anyway), turn around and come back ....  so they're like 10 seconds apart

She's at about every 3 minutes right now, and making NO sense at all -
obviously trying to tell me something, but I don't have a flipping clue what
.... but that's because hubby & I just got back from our afternoon of
running errands ... she was home with home care worker ... will take her a
while to trust that I'm not going to bugger off somewhere and leave her "all
alone" again

>> definitely isn't constipation with her!
>>
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>
> Adelle
Lee - 20 Jun 2005 21:53 GMT
Got interupted....  friend of hubby's came over to help him with one of our
boats ... brought 2 kids and a puppy ... my MIL is now puppysitting and
having a fine time ... she's talking to the puppy and not making a lick of
sense - of course, the dog doesn't care at all. I'ts the same breed as her
now adult dog; she's just fascinated with 'the little same'

anyway ...what I was going to say is that re: deciding when to give the
ativan, I guess it would make some sense to give it when I can see that the
pace is picking up .... the touching, grabbing, etc doesn't usually start
until I get ~mad~ ... best to give her the Ativan before that happens, I
suppose

> it's similar to measuring labour pains, actually ....  in her ~normal~
> state she visits me (comes to stand within an inch or so of me) about once
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>>
>> Adelle
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jun 2005 00:22 GMT
> Got interupted....  friend of hubby's came over to help him with one of
> our boats ... brought 2 kids and a puppy ... my MIL is now puppysitting
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> start until I get ~mad~ ... best to give her the Ativan before that
> happens, I suppose

Definitely.   It can't be comfortable for her either to be experiencing that
continuing anxiety.  Better to give her the Ativan and give you both some
peace.

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Evelyn

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Ronny TX - 20 Jun 2005 03:57 GMT
> Ativan  
>  
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> which of us needs it more at this point
> is debatable LOL

Ronny:
Mom's prescription is for1/2 to 1 tablet of Lorazepam 1mg,generic
Ativan,3 times a day. She's been taking it a good while now and for
awhile I didn't know if it did any good or not as she would sometimes
still get hyper and super hyper. [At first her prescription was 1/2
tablet 2 or 3 times a day and her doctor said watch out for drowsiness
that might be severe enough to cause her to stumble around and maybe
fall.]  

Well,a couple of weeks ago I had my Mom's Lorazepam called in to the
pharmacy-didn't notice that such had to be preappoved by her doctor
again this time!:-( So went to get it and the pharmacy people told me
the doctor still hadn't called it in. No problem as we still had 2 or 3
of those pills. Someone else would pick it up later. Another day or two
and her doc still hadn't called it in! Had the pharmacy people calling
his office, plus 2 or 3 other people and it still took a week before
that med was called in from his office! Of course,we had run out of
pills long before that and it took 2 or 3 days before Mom went back to
being hyper and superhyper at times;but that's the way she was for at
least 3 days. Gave here a Benedryl a few times over those days. First
one,8 hours and it still hadn't phased her a bit! Second one and it was
5 more hours before she finally settled down and went to sleep! Finally
got that Lorazepam,gave her 1 pill and it worked right away! :-)

Right now I just give her 1,1mg tablet a day as that seems to be enough.
Could give her more or half a pill 2 of 3 times a day. Right now just
sticking with what seems to do the trick in keeping her calm most of the
time. And yes,there have been times I've been tempted to take one of
those pills myself! LoL

> Lee:
> I feel rather guilty about it - knocking
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> stopped pulling at me
> ---
Ronny:
Mercy me! Don't feel guilty about giving your MIL a med she needs! And
certainly not because it gives you some relief too!

And I thought of it this way too the other day with my Mom,when she got
so hyper. No doubt her blood pressure was up too  high then and
something like that could lead to a stroke. So,much better to have
something to calm someone down rather than something like that maybe
happening.

And thank you Lee for saying there are times you yell at you MIL. And
yeah,I know such doesn't do a bit of good;but I still understand it. And
it's so much better to have the other person calmed down some with a
needed med,so you/I can stay calmer too! LoL So,so much better!LoL
 
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