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lee - 22 May 2005 01:41 GMT
my MIL has been driving me NUTS the last while...especially last night, and
for about the last 2 hours this evening

just now, she came to stand behind me again - something that just creeps me
out... she just stands here and stares at me.... in my space

anyway ...I said "What do you want now?"

and she said "I just want some attention"

LMAO   Truer words were ne'er spoken
Evelyn Ruut - 22 May 2005 12:50 GMT
> my MIL has been driving me NUTS the last while...especially last night,
> and for about the last 2 hours this evening
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>
> LMAO   Truer words were ne'er spoken

That's cute!

Does she go to a daycare center?
Sounds like the stimulation would be good for her.

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lee - 22 May 2005 14:20 GMT
the ~joys~ of living in a small town - there's only one available within
range, and it is only for those people that don't need it  - i.e. they have
to be completely independent re: toileting and can't use depends.

>> my MIL has been driving me NUTS the last while...especially last night,
>> and for about the last 2 hours this evening
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> Does she go to a daycare center?
> Sounds like the stimulation would be good for her.
Evelyn Ruut - 22 May 2005 17:03 GMT
> the ~joys~ of living in a small town - there's only one available within
> range, and it is only for those people that don't need it  - i.e. they
> have to be completely independent re: toileting and can't use depends.

That is totally ridiculous.   You are right.  If they are that independent,
they really may not need it.

Maybe they are doing too well.   Our local daycare center was hungry enough
to keep them on, even when they were barely able to walk anymore.

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lee - 22 May 2005 20:35 GMT
I was shocked when they told me that - CCAC always offered it as an option -
but back then, my MIL was still stubborn as heck, and it would have been
SUCH a battle that we didn't push it. ... now that she'd go - and likely
benefit from the stimulation - they won't take her ...

makes no sense to me either - it's not like she's totally incontinent - we
put her in depends primarily because she forgot how/why to wipe and wouldn't
ask/allow help at that point -  they keep her cleaner. It's not like they'd
have to change them - she will still ask to use the washroom ... the only
support she'd need would be to shown where it was (every single time)
...which doesn't seem like it'd be that much to ask in a program that is
SUPPOSED to be for people with AD

On another note - my sister in law showed up today - and apparently the big
stall over looking at nursing home options is at an end ....  they're making
arrangements to do so in the next couple of weeks.  Doesn't mean placement
right away, but that they would finish the paperwork and at least get her on
the wait list .....

I feel somewhat guilty - I know, I know ... not allowed - but I think it was
a conversation I had with the one sister that's here that triggered them to
finally get MOVING again. I really am running out of resources though, and
that's what I told her .... it's just getting to be too much.

She is not my mother - and honestly, if she were, she'd be in a nice
facility somewhere by now - wouldn't put up with the crap I do from my
mother either. More and more lately, she's treating me like a very low form
of ~hired help~ ....  no manners, no respect, no privacy, no personal space,
no ....... well, you get the idea....

she is horrid to me - then when hubby gets home, she will settle right down
and behave - with HIM she can still say please and thank you, for example.
If HE speaks sternly to her, she will sit down and shut up - I could go on
and on.

I think it would almost be better if she were consistantly horrid .... at
least then it would be easy to say it's the alzheimers, it's not her fault,
ya da ya da - all that **** that people tell you when they're trying to be
~supportive~     My only ~consolation~ is that I'm far from the only one
that she's obnoxious for - this behaviour started with the sister-in-law
that lives nearby ..... then only recently grew to where it's also towards
the home care workers and now myself. The difference of course, is that THEY
get to go home at the end of their shift *sigh*

Neither hubby or I really want to place her -  and given the poor prognosis
we were given re: her heart condition a year ago, we kind of thought it
wouldn't get to that point.... but I don't know how much longer we can carry
on.

>> the ~joys~ of living in a small town - there's only one available within
>> range, and it is only for those people that don't need it  - i.e. they
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> Maybe they are doing too well.   Our local daycare center was hungry
> enough to keep them on, even when they were barely able to walk anymore.
Gwen Love - 23 May 2005 02:11 GMT
Lee, if they find a place that will take her, don't hesitate.  It will be
better for her to be where people are fresh on each new shift, and it will
certainly be better for you and your husband.
Gwen

> I was shocked when they told me that - CCAC always offered it as an option -
> but back then, my MIL was still stubborn as heck, and it would have been
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> > Maybe they are doing too well.   Our local daycare center was hungry
> > enough to keep them on, even when they were barely able to walk anymore.
lee - 24 May 2005 07:43 GMT
it's not really my decision ... but we'll see what happens.... I think
people are starting to figure out that it's too much to ask of me - none of
the THEM would be willing to provide the care she needs on an ongoing basis
... they're glad that I have been doing the bulk of it. I'm being a bit of a
shrew these days too - have basically TOLD them that I'm taking 1 day a week
OFF through the summer - next weekend, I'm going down to take my daughter
and my neice to see Madagascar - and to be honest I don't CARE how they work
it out re: mama sitting... sister in law doesn't really want to do it any
more .... and I can understand that - (although it rather ~amuses~ me when
she complains about how horrid it is when she's here with her for an eight
hour stretch.... I do more than that every single day!)

I just tucked her in yet again - she got up to go to the washroom and
couldn't find her bed again - if they don't move on the nursing home thing,
I really think that hubby and I are going to have to move downstairs ...
I've suggested it - or at least a baby monitor in her room, but to no avail.
He doesn't think it's necessary yet. (one of the effects of the fact that
she manages to behave SO much better when he's around - he doesn't see the
level of impairment that I do)  Poor thing is so afraid when she thinks
she's "all alone" .... she used to be able to figure out that we were
upstairs and come up and find us when she needed help but hasn't done that
in quite a while... I don't think she remembers we're up there. Tis no
wonder that she doesn't believe me all day when I tell her she won't be left
alone - in her experience she most certainly is.... I suspect that's a HUGE
part of her following me everywhere (which drives me CRAZY)        I worry
about the step between her room and the washroom too - she misjudges it
regulary these days - only a matter of time before she falls.

going to be one of ~those~ nights ...  it's 2:30 a.m. and I'm about ready
for bed, but she's not settling....   *sigh*

I think that if we're going to continue doing this for much longer we are
going to have to move downstairs, AND at the very least, we should be using
the respite care that is available to us    We have the option of having her
go into a facility of our choice for a week or two  .... would give us a
break, AND would give us an opportunity to see how she manages.

To be honest, I think she's quite likely to handle it better than we think
she will ... if nothing else, would be a relief for her to truly not be
'alone'

> Lee, if they find a place that will take her, don't hesitate.  It will be
> better for her to be where people are fresh on each new shift, and it will
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>> > enough to keep them on, even when they were barely able to walk
>> > anymore.
Evelyn Ruut - 24 May 2005 11:54 GMT
> it's not really my decision ... but we'll see what happens.... I think
> people are starting to figure out that it's too much to ask of me - none
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> she will ... if nothing else, would be a relief for her to truly not be
> 'alone'

Hi Lee,

I think you are right about her quite possibly adjusting better than you
think she will.  It was that way with my mother in law.

By the way, it isn't that she "doesn't believe" you when you say she won't
be left alone, she can't remember that you've told her that, so the fear of
being left alone never leaves her.  She just truly can't remember that you
won't leave her alone.

I think the biggest mistake a lot of people make with an alzheimer patient
is believing that they still have a memory for anything at all that they
have been told.

Hope you get some respite Lee.   I've been in your situation and I know how
frazzled it can make you.
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lee - 24 May 2005 17:09 GMT
I AM FURIOUS THIS MORNING

not with my MIL - not her fault.... she had an accident during the night -
the runs .... carpets, bedding, (used to be) clean clothes - all covered
....

hubby was still home - sat there reading his paper while I gave her a bath,
gathered up all the dirty stuff I could find (the used depends that she took
off is still missing - going to have to search her drawers, the spare room,
etc - god only knows what she did with it),  started the laundry, etc.....

didn't lift one finger to help - which I COULD have accepted, although I was
already at a low burn about that by the time I finished her bath -  but it
got worse - when he left for work his only comment was that I should have
left it all for the home care worker - they get paid for that. Right.....
leave it all for 3 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Leave her covered in sh.t from the
waist down; the floors, everything - as IF!!!   And AS IF they'd put up with
that, too.....   not a chance. New girl coming in today too - wouldn't that
be a lovely start.

>> it's not really my decision ... but we'll see what happens.... I think
>> people are starting to figure out that it's too much to ask of me - none
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> Hope you get some respite Lee.   I've been in your situation and I know
> how frazzled it can make you.
Evelyn Ruut - 24 May 2005 17:25 GMT
>I AM FURIOUS THIS MORNING
>
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> they'd put up with that, too.....   not a chance. New girl coming in today
> too - wouldn't that be a lovely start.

OMG Lee, that is AWFUL!

I have to confess that when we had disasters like that (and we did have a
couple) Peter did the "honors" and cleaned up the mess.   I did the wash and
miscellaneous stuff, he did the worst of it.  He is a hell of a good guy!
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lee - 24 May 2005 17:49 GMT
I am so angry ... all he would have had to do is say 'thank you'  ..... to
suggest that I'm being a martyr because I can't let her sit in sh.t for 3
hours - or dump the mess on someone else - is totally uncalled for and
unacceptable.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     I'm such an idiot.....  trying to do too many
things at once - a customer came to the door with his computer and I forgot
that I was running water for dishes and left it running while I went and
dealt with him.  Walked right by it at least once, too!

Have decided I'm taking the afternoon OFF - have to go to my supplier to get
a hard drive for this computer anyway -  called a friend and told her I'd
meet her for lunch.    Now just trying to get hold of my sister in law -
going to see if I can get her to come over for a bit so that I don't have to
rush back for when the home care worker is scheduled to leave.

>>I AM FURIOUS THIS MORNING
>>
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> and miscellaneous stuff, he did the worst of it.  He is a hell of a good
> guy!
lee - 24 May 2005 18:04 GMT
she called back - the sister-in-law .... and I'll probably end up regretting
it, but I told her how upset I was, and how much fun I am NOT having
cleaning up the mess ... (found the depends while I was on the phone with
her - sitting on a pile of books by the back door)

she's going to take over when home care leaves so that I can take a
~breather~

we also talked about the nursing home thing - told her that I thought that
at the least we should be booking her in for a week or two respite care  -
give me a BREAK and also see how she does.

>I am so angry ... all he would have had to do is say 'thank you'  ..... to
>suggest that I'm being a martyr because I can't let her sit in sh.t for 3
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>> and miscellaneous stuff, he did the worst of it.  He is a hell of a good
>> guy!
Florence A - 25 May 2005 17:18 GMT
Lee--
I am so angry for you.  For your sanity, your marriage and family peace
I hope you can arrange some respite care.

This past week & 1/2 since my husband has been in respite care, I
think,(and hope I continue feeling this way)----there is life.

Just not having someone in my face all day, looking to me for everthing,
has been a relief.  Truthfully, I have been sleeping a lot.  What a
luxury. To just lie down, anytime..WOW.  It's the simple luxuries I'm
enjoying.    
Gwen Love - 24 May 2005 17:53 GMT
I was blessed with a good guy too, Evelyn.  Before Grayson's AD, his dad was
living with us for awhile, and his dementia had already gotten a good start.
Grayson prepared Dad's breakfast, did the bath room duty, and would hardly
let me do anything for his dad.  His only problem was that he insisted on
correcting his dad when he thought he was back managing a Goodyear store and
talking about what the boys were doing.  He wouldn't listen to me about
that.
Gwen

> >I AM FURIOUS THIS MORNING
> >
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> couple) Peter did the "honors" and cleaned up the mess.   I did the wash and
> miscellaneous stuff, he did the worst of it.  He is a hell of a good guy!
Evelyn Ruut - 24 May 2005 18:27 GMT
>I was blessed with a good guy too, Evelyn.  Before Grayson's AD, his dad
>was
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> that.
> Gwen

Hi Gwen,

I was married before this, Gwen, and my previous husband was not the type to
help at all, and if he did help with anything in the house, he would usually
throw some kind of a temper tantrum as a part of it, leaving everyone
shaken, upset and miserable.   If I had stayed with him I think I'd have
been dead by now just of the misery of living with him.

On the other hand, Peter does so much around here, and all of it the hard
stuff, like washing the kitchen floor and doing all the vaccuuming.   That
is besides all the outside lawn work,  being incredibly handy with tools (he
can fix absolutely anything!) all the work connected with the cars, the
garbage, the dogs, you name it.

When we took on the responsibility of caring for his mother, he was 100% on
board for all it involved.  I have no idea how we would have managed without
his full help.

Lee, if you are still reading here, you have every right to be peeved.
That is HIS mother, and yes it does make a difference.   When disasters
happen everybody ought to mobilize and ask what they can do to help with the
cleanup.

It is absolutely not acceptable to leave a person lying in such a mess for 3
hours waiting for someone else to come and clean her up.

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>> >I AM FURIOUS THIS MORNING
>> >
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> and
>> miscellaneous stuff, he did the worst of it.  He is a hell of a good guy!
lee - 24 May 2005 18:58 GMT
if he was always like this, don't think I'd still be here - I don't know
what the hell has gotten into him but I don't like it ....  could be, I
suppose, that the reality that we're not going to be able to manage
indefinitely and he's not able to 'fix it' is sinking in and he's not
dealing with it well.... I know he really really really doesn't want her to
go to a nursing home. But pulling sh.t like he did this morning is going to
hasten it, not delay it.

He'd best get over it QUICK. He just called and ask me to bring something
down to the store when I come - told him I would, but that I wasn't planning
to stay at the store for the 3 hours that we have coverage - and he was put
out - has things he planned on doing while I covered the store. Given that
a) I told him yesterday that I was planning to go into town today and b)
only the other day he was all supportive, encouraging me to take time off,
etc etc. and c) I'm already PISSED RIGHT OFF AT HIM and not willing/able to
pretend otherwise, to expect me to hang out at the store this aft was just a
~wee bit~ unreasonable of him, I thought. And THEN he had the nerve to
question why I arranged for my SIL to be available if I am not going to be
back in time ... "you have someone today, why would you need her?"   BAD BAD
QUESTION!

>>I was blessed with a good guy too, Evelyn.  Before Grayson's AD, his dad
>>was
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>>> miscellaneous stuff, he did the worst of it.  He is a hell of a good
>>> guy!
Evelyn Ruut - 24 May 2005 19:22 GMT
> if he was always like this, don't think I'd still be here - I don't know
> what the hell has gotten into him but I don't like it ....  could be, I
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> am not going to be back in time ... "you have someone today, why would you
> need her?"   BAD BAD QUESTION!

Lee,

The thing that immediately popped into my head when I read this is that he
(and you) may be starting to get the very WELL DOCUMENTED caregivers
depression?

Believe me when I tell you that Peter and I were BOTH deeply depressed after
a couple of years, and it didn't let up instantly after we placed Ida in the
nursing home either.  It took a while to get back to normal.

One should never say 'never' when it comes to nursing homes.   They are
there for a reason.   We wanted to take care of Ida through to the end.
Our "end" came before hers did.   We just couldn't take it anymore.   She
was falling down all the time, incontinent, the interrupted sleep and stress
were just building up, and we were both depressed, now that I look back.

I think you need a break.  Your husband and his sister need to discuss their
options, and you definitely sound like you need that respite care and soon.

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Karen - 25 May 2005 04:32 GMT
I wouldn't be able to resist pointing out that if a nursing home left
someone like that for 3 hours, they'd be reported.

I'd have to wonder if he's having an attack of the guilts at what you're
going through and therefore trying to minimize it in his own mind.  After
all, from his POV, the only alternative is to accept that he's  part of the
problem.

Karen

----snip----
> It is absolutely not acceptable to leave a person lying in such a mess for 3
> hours waiting for someone else to come and clean her up.
lee - 25 May 2005 05:16 GMT
I think that is exactly it.... well, combination of that, and the fact that
she really works hard to behave MUCH better when he's here than she does
when it's ~just~ one of us female types around

for example,  her ~conversations~ today have been totally off the
wall/nonsensical ("when did she buy you that hair?") - and she spent the
last 4 hours before he got home tonight driving me nuts - in my space,
demanding non stop attention, following me into the washroom, insisting on
dragging the dog into her room against his will (which I don't allow) etc
etc ....  he got home, she tried to converse and figured out pretty quick
that she wasn't pulling it off  and away she went - off to bed with no
further fuss (she and I had been playing the ~bedtime game~ for well over an
hour at that point)

In her reality, men are to be respected, women are not - I think that's a
generational thing, at least in part ... and, back when she was able to get
her thoughts out, she was quite clear in her mind at least, that HE is the
one that has all the power to put her in a home or not ...  she used to
~get~ that it was me that was taking care of her so that she could stay
home, but that understanding is all gone bye bye now

anyway, the upshot is that he doesn't see as much of the behaviour and so on
as I do - but still, it has got to the point that she really CAN'T cover it
nearly as well .... she doesn't act out the way she does for me, but the
conversation is still off the wall, she can't figure out how to use a fork,
or co-ordinate taking her pills, or where the bathroom is (and of course,
the **** everywhere is kinda hard to miss no matter how hard one tries LOL)
...whether he's here or not ....  he doesn't want to admit that she's as bad
as she is - or, especially, that she's going to keep getting worse.

Told me today that I'm SUCH a pessimist .... when I stopped by this
afternoon ....  I'd suggested that if we're going to keep her at home much
longer we NEED to move downstairs.... or at least we need a baby monitor so
that we wake up when she gets up ....  doesn't want to do either..... being
as stubborn about either idea as he was back when I first started insisting
that she absolutely could not be left home alone. Hell, we still disagree
about that sometimes .... he'll suggest that I leave her here while I run
him to work - only take a 'few minutes' - and accuse me of babying her when
I toss her in the car and take her with me to do it.  Anyway - he's right
that if my sleep is disturbed by having to get up with her at night I'll
have less tolerance for taking care of her all day - but for crying out
loud - for safety's sake and for her well-being, she can't be alone down
here! She's scared - and when she's scared, she can't function AT ALL.  And
besides that, the single step that's between her bedroom and the washroom is
getting to be a very real hazard .... she misjudges it all the time ... only
a matter of time before she falls and hurts herself.

Honestly, I think when he's in this frame of mind, he's got it in his head
that the reason she can't be left alone is because we - I - stopped doing it
.... so she became accustomed to having someone with her .... all my fault,
not the disease's  *sigh*

She has a doctor's appt later this week ... going to talk to him; maybe ask
him to support me by having a family meeting (which he's offered before) and
have him give hubby a shot of reality - maybe it'll help if the so called
~pessimism~ comes from the doctor as well as from me?

I understand that it's really hard for him not to be able to FIX this   -
and I feel bad for him (except when I'm so angry I could spit, of course
LOL)  .... but he's going to have to face that

>I wouldn't be able to resist pointing out that if a nursing home left
> someone like that for 3 hours, they'd be reported.
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> 3
>> hours waiting for someone else to come and clean her up.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 25 May 2005 08:09 GMT
If I were you, I'd decide it was time for him to look after her alone
for a couple of weeks, while I went for a visit to a relative or old
friend in another town.

Nothing like walking in the moccasins to turn around an attitude.

Mary G.
Evelyn Ruut - 25 May 2005 12:08 GMT
>I think that is exactly it.... well, combination of that, and the fact that
>she really works hard to behave MUCH better when he's here than she does
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> and I feel bad for him (except when I'm so angry I could spit, of course
> LOL)  .... but he's going to have to face that

Lee, my mother in law was the same way about obeying Peter and not me.
Fortunately he was here enough of the time, but in the very beginning he was
still working, and still commuting a rather long distance, and I was alone
with her then.

She got so bad one night I called his job and made him leave work to come
home in the middle of an important job.   He soon realized that he had to
take retirement early to be able to care for her.   There was no way I could
handle her alone.   She was rude and difficult and at one time I even
thought she was going to haul off and hit me.   When Peter was around she
was as good as gold.

I thought it was partly that he spoke her language to her, and partly that
he was a man, and men were to be obeyed and catered to.   She got nasty with
me easy enough, digging her heels in and standing her ground from time to
time from one silly thing or another, from taking her pills to getting
dressed or undressed or whatever.

She did always know who we were, throughout her illness right up to the very
end, and there were a few lucid moments that were very heartening and gave
me encouragement.  For the most part her difficult moments were few, and
even the nurses in the home said she was cooperative and easy to care for.
They really liked her. .....and once she settled in here, other than those
early days, so did I.

I do hope you get some relief soon.   Maybe you should print out the replies
in this thread and let him read them?   He really isn't "getting" it.   He
is courting a disaster not realizing how confused she really is.

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Songbird - 25 May 2005 15:48 GMT
>I> anyway, the upshot is that he doesn't see as much of the behaviour and
>so on as I do - but still, it has got to the point that she really CAN'T
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>she's as bad as she is - or, especially, that she's going to keep getting
>worse.

Do you by chance have a video camera or one you can borrow? Catch some of
her worst behavior on tape and maybe that will help. Just set it up and let
it run for six or eighgt hours -- so he can see how unrelenting it is. If
nothing else, keep a log. Just jot a few sentences or words every hour or so
to describe what has happened since last entry. This will help doctor as
well, perhaps.

> Told me today that I'm SUCH a pessimist .... when I stopped by this
> afternoon ....  I'd suggested that if we're going to keep her at home much
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> for crying out loud - for safety's sake and for her well-being, she can't
> be alone down here!

Then tell him he's on night duty. My hubby is a great guy but it never
occurs to him to do certain things around the house. You have to dump it in
his lap (in the case of the laundry, literally) and say "Thank you for
folding these." (I know, no one ever thanks YOU, but if it gets you what you
need....)

If he thinks it's because she is dependent on you -- fine, that is evidence
you need more time off and she needs time away from you (but with someone
else). When they have same experience as you ... hmm ... maybe it's not you?
(lol)

> She has a doctor's appt later this week ... going to talk to him; maybe
> ask him to support me by having a family meeting (which he's offered
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> and I feel bad for him (except when I'm so angry I could spit, of course
> LOL)  .... but he's going to have to face that

Sounds like a lot of what I am going through with my dad, but you have to be
tough with him -- for the sake of his mom, your health and sanity and your
marriage. Hang in there!

Songbird
lee - 25 May 2005 21:24 GMT
it's definitely not just me - the rude, demanding and downright obnoxious
behaviour actually started towards the SIL that lives nearby and takes her
out two evenings a week - and towards the home care ladies -  I was spared
it for several months after it first started (with a few exceptions) ...
until recently...

She used to be almost as upset at the idea of irritating me as she still is
re: hubby ... I think because on some level she understood that it's me
that's making it possible for her to stay here... lost that now - and only
focuses on the idea that if HE gets fed up, he can put her in a home - as
far as she's concerned, HE has ALL the power.

Much as he's resisting the reality of the situation, I think it really is
sinking in - he got very upset with her this morning over something
relatively minor -  don't think it was so much that he was upset by what she
was doing or not doing - but more that she's messing up his attempt to deny
the truth.

She's being pretty good today ... fussing with stuff that doesn't need
fussing with, and still making no sense .... but I've been able to get some
work done since I got home. She's going out tonight and my class has been
postponed til next week because of computer problems at the college, so I am
looking forward to having the house to myself for a couple of hours this
evening....  get to blast my Les Mis, have a soak without interuptions, then
hubby will come home and we'll sit on the deck and watch the sunset over the
lake - or maybe even go down and fish for a bit - til she gets home.

Just got to figure out the carpet cleaner first...  Usually he does them,
but I want to get it done before he gets home so that we CAN have a bit of
time to relax.

>>I> anyway, the upshot is that he doesn't see as much of the behaviour and
>>so on as I do - but still, it has got to the point that she really CAN'T
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> Songbird
Karen - 26 May 2005 04:33 GMT
Something else that occurs to me as I read this is that if he was raised by
people who believe that the men have all the power, maybe on an unconscious
level, your account of the issue doesn't carry as much strength as a male
doctor's would.  If that was what he was brought up around, it would make it
much easier to dismiss what you're saying even if his adult brain knows it's
2005 and out society doesn't operate that way anymore.  I've worked for and
with quite a few men that didn't realize they had that attitude.

Karen

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> She has a doctor's appt later this week ... going to talk to him; maybe ask
> him to support me by having a family meeting (which he's offered before) and
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> and I feel bad for him (except when I'm so angry I could spit, of course
> LOL)  .... but he's going to have to face that
lee - 26 May 2005 04:43 GMT
honestly, I don't think he'll give the doctor's word much more weight
anyway - too easy to write it off as doc is only going on what SIL and I
tell him ....

he's going to have to adjust -  plus, I expect that as MIL continues to
deteriorate, she'll be less and less able to control her behaviour around
him, too ....

and in the meantime, I've made arrangements for a day off for me this
weekend - he's taking care of ma, SIL is watching the store .....  and for
one of my daughters to come back up for another week ... she drives ME nuts
while she's here - but she is very good with ma, and it means I am not
TRAPPED here.... PLUS she sleeps downstairs in the room beside ma, and last
time she was here was very good about getting up with her, helping her back
to bed, etc.... (the deal is she gets to sleep as long as she wants the next
day)

> Something else that occurs to me as I read this is that if he was raised
> by
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>> and I feel bad for him (except when I'm so angry I could spit, of course
>> LOL)  .... but he's going to have to face that
Evelyn Ruut - 26 May 2005 05:06 GMT
> honestly, I don't think he'll give the doctor's word much more weight
> anyway - too easy to write it off as doc is only going on what SIL and I
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> her back to bed, etc.... (the deal is she gets to sleep as long as she
> wants the next day)

That is great.   Also maybe your husband will believe your daughter when she
reports stuff to him.   Hearing it from another person may sink in better.

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Evelyn Ruut - 26 May 2005 05:03 GMT
> Something else that occurs to me as I read this is that if he was raised
> by
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>
> Karen

Also remember it is HIS mother.   I know my own husband would never have put
up with an iota of what his mother put us through.    There is a difference
there, for sure.
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lee - 26 May 2005 05:38 GMT
he was quick this evening ... SIL brought ma home early as she'd had an
accident ... seemed to plan to dump and run (as she usually does) and he
very neatly manipulated her into coming in and cleaning her up and getting
her into her pjs so that he and I still got at least a few minutes to sit
outside and watch the sunset.

when I commented, he said that it's HER mother - won't kill her to do it
.... it's great that you do it when we're not around, but when we are,
there's no reason you should be doing it

funny... he didn't seem to feel quite that way yesterday LOL

>> Something else that occurs to me as I read this is that if he was raised
>> by
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> put up with an iota of what his mother put us through.    There is a
> difference there, for sure.
Karen - 26 May 2005 12:00 GMT
Some thoughts ferment into wine, others into something not so pleasant.
Perhaps he realizes what my husband's told me one time -- "Oh my God, I've
been a horse's arse!".  :-)  Of course, realizing it and admitting it are
two different things but you're right, it sounds like he's had a change of
attitude.

I hope you get the support you need.  It really sounds like a tough
situation.

Karen

> he was quick this evening ... SIL brought ma home early as she'd had an
> accident ... seemed to plan to dump and run (as she usually does) and he
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> funny... he didn't seem to feel quite that way yesterday LOL
Evelyn Ruut - 26 May 2005 13:35 GMT
> he was quick this evening ... SIL brought ma home early as she'd had an
> accident ... seemed to plan to dump and run (as she usually does) and he
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>
> funny... he didn't seem to feel quite that way yesterday LOL

Hi Lee,

He's starting to realize, maybe.

I am so glad for you, because you have been taking the main brunt of the
hardest part of the caregiving for a while.
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Ronny TX - 23 May 2005 09:17 GMT
> LMAO  
>  
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> LMAO   Truer words were ne'er spoken
> ---
Ronny:
I like that. :-) And I think the same is true for most of us.
 
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