well, not really ... but I am more than a ~little~ frustrated and UPSET
we're in Ontario .... so receive home care services through a local agency -
the funding comes through the Community Care Access Centre. Worked SO well
for a while... but recently CCAC awarded the contract for our area to a
different agency.
The 'new' agency was involved here briefly early on and I changed everything
so that I would not have to deal with them ... the main provider was SO much
easier to work with, more professional, etc....
Unfortunately, they didn't get the contract for whatever reason - money, I
would guess.... and that means that we're stuck with the 'new' agency.
WHICH BITES!!!!!!!!!!!! There wree REASONS I got rid of them before! Not
only do they have incredibly stupid and limiting rules (not allowed to put
her pills in her hand, or open a capsule and put it in her food, for
example - we need to switch her to liquid meds due to swallowing problems -
but THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED to pour/measure meds .... can only give her the
pills I put in the dosette for her - and what they're SUPPOSED to do is just
open the correct day/time lid on the dosette and put it on the table in
front of her) We're working around that (what they don't know don't hurt
em - fortunately several of our providers changed to the new and not
improved agency, and are not so damn stuck on following the **** rules)
..... but it aggravates me.
What has me REALLY IRKED at the moment though, is that once again they have
called to tell me what our hours will be for this week. We set a schedule
based on OUR NEEDS - it's reviewed every semester (because my teaching
schedule changes) and I do my best to work within that schedule. I don't
~get~ to call them up and say, hey, I need to work late next Tuesday, cover
it. So where do they get off calling me EVERY SINGLE WEEK SINCE THE SWITCH
to tell me that so and so will be coming an hour earlier, an hour later, 20
minutes later this day, etc etc???? They're not even consistent.... every
single week it's been something different. THIS week, they moved our
Saturday block 2 hours early ... which means that I can be at our store
when it's quiet, and just when it starts to get busy, I have to leave to
come home. Oh and by the way, WE don't do stats, so you won't have anyone
on Monday.
I have complained about it every single time they've called - well, when
I've been the one to take the call, anyway -... But obviously they just
aren't getting it!
I've left a message for our case manager at CCAC now - I've had enough!
Obviously talking directly to the care agency isn't having any impact -
going to talk to her, and if then I guess if it still doesn't improve, will
have to figure out what the next level is.
Karen - 20 May 2005 04:41 GMT
Don't know how it works in Ontario, but would complaining to your elected
representative be likely to get any additional attention? It's just a
thought. Sounds like the lowest bidder definitely won that contract. At a
guess, I'd think if they start hearing complaints from their voters, they
might be impelled to do something. Or would it not work that way where you
are?
Karen
> well, not really ... but I am more than a ~little~ frustrated and UPSET
>
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> going to talk to her, and if then I guess if it still doesn't improve, will
> have to figure out what the next level is.
lee - 20 May 2005 05:02 GMT
it is government funded, so one would think that there must be some
recourse... will start with the case manager though
> Don't know how it works in Ontario, but would complaining to your elected
> representative be likely to get any additional attention? It's just a
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> will
>> have to figure out what the next level is.
Dennis P. Harris - 20 May 2005 09:27 GMT
> it is government funded, so one would think that there must be some
> recourse... will start with the case manager though
i would think your local MP or MPA would be interested if
agencies are not doing what their funding requires.
Florence A - 20 May 2005 15:42 GMT
How does this system work? Is it free?
(thru your taxes) Can workers refuse (unofficially of course. just call
in sick at the last minute etc) certain people?
Is it difficult to recruit employees for this type of work.? It's not
the pleasantest of jobs.
Civil servants can work to the letter of the law too, and document
complaints.
Just my thoughts. Unofficially, would a TIP be in order should you find
a willing worker..?
Please excuse my ignorance of the Canadian system. Don't berate me for
my questions.....I do feel this disease is horrid enough without the
problems it brings and sometimes, no, most times we take the the easier
way out.,
lee - 20 May 2005 18:25 GMT
the issues we're having really are with the agency itself rather than with
the providers (I don't tolerate incompetent or rude providers - have got rid
of two - but that was before the changeover) Always a ~challenge~ the first
time someone is here and I basically ask them to break the rules, but so far
most of them comply without a hassle. If they were to call in sick, it
would be the agency's responsibility to cover it off - so far that hasn't
happened though
Tips/gifts are strictly forbidden ..... but of course, we break the rules
re: meds and so on already, so .....
> How does this system work? Is it free?
> (thru your taxes) Can workers refuse (unofficially of course. just call
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> problems it brings and sometimes, no, most times we take the the easier
> way out.,
Dennis P. Harris - 20 May 2005 04:49 GMT
> I've left a message for our case manager at CCAC now - I've had enough!
> Obviously talking directly to the care agency isn't having any impact -
> going to talk to her, and if then I guess if it still doesn't improve, will
> have to figure out what the next level is.
stop talking to them. keep a diary. document everything. make
all complaints in writing. once they begin to realize that you
are keeping thorough written records, they'll either start doing
things properly or you'll have enough rope to hang them.
lawyers love clients who document everything and keep every piece
of paper. agencies either know that or they are so clueless that
you can quickly build a case. then you can send complaint
letters and cc: your solicitor. or you can take all your copious
documentation to the lawyer of your choice, or the funding
agency.
you can never have too much documentation.
lee - 20 May 2005 05:02 GMT
I actually started doing that right after my conversation with them this
afternoon ...went back through our communication book and made note of all
the schedule changes etc.... figure if nothing else, will assist in helping
me to write strong letters
>> I've left a message for our case manager at CCAC now - I've had enough!
>> Obviously talking directly to the care agency isn't having any impact -
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> you can never have too much documentation.
Evelyn Ruut - 20 May 2005 12:09 GMT
What a shame that these people can do this to you, Lee. Complain a lot.
Have no fear about being branded for it. Urge others to complain too.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
I was especially surprised about the rules with the pills, because that is
one of the very reasons an alzheimer patient needs care, they cannot be
trusted to remember what pills to take or what the pills are for, or when to
take them. There were times when we had to re-explain every single day
what the pills were that Ida had to take. She didn't think she had to take
any pills.
Can your local Alzheimer Association help? Enlist everyone you can to get
some of these unfairnesses sorted out.

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>I actually started doing that right after my conversation with them this
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>> you can never have too much documentation.
Jo Ann Malina - 21 May 2005 11:17 GMT
lee <sleeplessinwherever@hotmail.com> is alleged to have said:
> we're in Ontario .... so receive home care services through a local agency -
> the funding comes through the Community Care Access Centre. Worked SO well
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> would guess.... and that means that we're stuck with the 'new' agency.
> WHICH BITES!!!!!!!!!!!! There wree REASONS I got rid of them before! Not
My first take on reading this is that someone got paid off to switch
the contract. But don't mind my cynicism, I was raised in Chicago.
It comes with the territory.
> only do they have incredibly stupid and limiting rules (not allowed to put
> her pills in her hand, or open a capsule and put it in her food, for
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> improved agency, and are not so damn stuck on following the **** rules)
> ..... but it aggravates me.
They don't want to hire people who would be legally allowed to dispense
drugs? After all, any minimum-wage worker can open a container and
point at it, between cleaning the bathroom and gathering up the laundry.
> What has me REALLY IRKED at the moment though, is that once again they have
> called to tell me what our hours will be for this week. We set a schedule
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> come home. Oh and by the way, WE don't do stats, so you won't have anyone
> on Monday.
Inadequate staffing levels? Backed with arrogance.
> I have complained about it every single time they've called - well, when
> I've been the one to take the call, anyway -... But obviously they just
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> going to talk to her, and if then I guess if it still doesn't improve, will
> have to figure out what the next level is.
I think you're going to have to follow the purse strings and get help
from someone who can fine or otherwise hurt this gang before it will
change its ways. After all, some of these problems could just be due
to one bad but strategically placed administrator.
Good luck. As hard as it is to keep Mom at home, I'm really not looking
forward to dealing with residential facilities.

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