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A Bad Habit Turned Good? :-)

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Ronny TX - 06 May 2005 07:33 GMT
As far back as I can remember I've had what some would call a bad habit
of wanting to stay up way too late at night!LoL But recently it's hit me
that that's a good thing now. :-) Why? Because my Mom needs me more at
night. That's when her Depends need changing more often and sometimes
her sheets if the pads don't get everything. So now I don't have to feel
"guilty" about my bad habit.:-)
And I stay up a lot of times from say 10pm to 4 am or maybe 11 or 12
midnight to 4pm or so sometimes later.

One good thing too is that I can see Mom gets her meds at bedtime and in
the morning and gets fed early on since she pretty well has a habit of
waking up early. A lot of times how she will get up hungry from say 3 to
5am and so I just fix her breakfast then. Usually she goes back to bed
and then I go and lay down myself. I can then get up a few hours later
and later in the evening or early night,take another nap-with all
outside doors locked of course. So far I like it better this way. And of
course,this only works because Mom doesn't have to have someone watching
her 24/7. If that were the case,then my way would not work well at all!
Dennis P. Harris - 06 May 2005 08:02 GMT
> And of
> course,this only works because Mom doesn't have to have someone watching
> her 24/7. If that were the case,then my way would not work well at all!

and that's why you have to plan for that time when she can't be
left alone.  i hope that you have a plan already?
Ronny TX - 07 May 2005 09:23 GMT
> Re: A Bad Habit Turned Good? :-)  
>  
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> her 24/7. If that were the case,then my
> way would not work well at all!

> Dennis
> and that's why you have to plan for that
> time when she can't be left alone. i
> hope that you have a plan already?
> ---
Ronny:
Nope,I don't. Not sure if my 4 older brothers & 2 older sisters do or
not?

I do know one of my brothers who lives the closest has POA for Mom. And
my next oldest sis and her husband watch out for his Mom,who I think
also has Alzheimers. Got her to move in next door to them a few years
ago and then later she went in the nursing home that is right up the
street when she was no longer able to take care of herself. So they know
all what goes on with doing that.

Me,I just know that older people around here stay home as long as they
can and then usually go in one of several local nursing homes. And I
would think most people around here do their best to have their older
loved one on Medicaid long before that happens,if they can at all. And
then there is the much newer assisted living/nursing home place;but then
that's for people who are very well to do.
Dennis P. Harris - 07 May 2005 19:55 GMT
> > Dennis
> > and that's why you have to plan for that
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>
> I do know one of my brothers who lives the closest has POA for Mom.

then you need to talk to him about plans for when your mother
will NOT be safe when left alone, because from your account of
her behavior it may not be long.  you need to overcome the denial
that's probably going on and convince whoever in your family
would make the decision that you need to get her on a a waiting
list NOW.  otherwise, you could find yourself placing her in the
least desirable place during a crisis.
Evelyn Ruut - 07 May 2005 20:38 GMT
>> > Dennis
>> > and that's why you have to plan for that
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> list NOW.  otherwise, you could find yourself placing her in the
> least desirable place during a crisis.

Yes, and to some degree that depends on the location, because some places
the choices are limited.   In our area there were about 5 to pick from.  One
was in the process of closing up due to so many violations, another was
being investigated in the papers due to something similar.   One was too far
away, that left two, and they were the better choices anyway.

Remember that by this time you are usually pretty frazzled anyway, and every
minor obstacle or bit of red tape is a big deal.   There was a huge amount
of paperwork involved, and when your loved one is ready to be placed, you
are usually at the end of your rope anyway and not much in the mood to deal
with it.  There are medical tests required, and any little thing that can
delay it, will stop the process.

If you are going with Medicaid, that is a hassle too, with lots of paperwork
and research to do.   We actually paid our lawyer to help us with it all.
I am sure we could have managed it ourselves completely, were we not so
exhausted.

The first choice nursing home we picked didn't come through for about 4
months, and Ida was next in line on their waiting list!    That may not
sound like much, but when you wait as long as we did, every day was hard,
and we were getting very little sleep.  (We had taken her out of daycare, as
she was well beyond it).   She was falling down all the time.   You don't
know it is going to get like that until it actually happens!

Fortunately our second choice nursing home had an opening, and we took it
after about two months had passed.   When her name came up on our first
choice home later on, we decided to leave her where she was and just skip
it, and I am glad we did.   They were very good to her where she was, and
another change of scenery with new people and all would not have been good
for her.

I will never forget the relief we felt that first month after placing her.
I was sad to do it, but we were so grateful that we could finally get a good
nights sleep, or go to the store without a babysitter.   We almost didn't
know what to do with ourselves anymore, we were so used to being on constant
duty!

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Evelyn

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Evelyn Ruut - 06 May 2005 12:46 GMT
> As far back as I can remember I've had what some would call a bad habit
> of wanting to stay up way too late at night!LoL But recently it's hit me
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> course,this only works because Mom doesn't have to have someone watching
> her 24/7. If that were the case,then my way would not work well at all!

Hi Ronny,

I hope you can keep up that pace, eventually Peter and I had a deal;  He
took the "night shift" getting up with her at night, changing, cleaning up,
whatever happened, and I took the "day shift" dressing and undressing,
making her food and all of that.

You can't do it all, so plan ahead for the time when the situation gets more
demanding.

We found that if we waited until the situation demanded a change in our
arrangements, that it was often "too late" before we got the new changes
implemented.   Planning in advance is never a bad thing.
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Ronny TX - 07 May 2005 10:25 GMT
> Re: A Bad Habit Turned Good? :-)  
>  
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> her 24/7. If that were the case,then my
> way would not work well at all!

> Evelyn:
> Hi Ronny,
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> shift" dressing and undressing, making
> her food and all of that.

Ronny:
Evelyn,this is the part I don't know and need to ask about. Do most
people like my Mom,who are at home,end up needing someome to physically
watch them 24 hours a day for their own safety? As you see right now I
can go take a nap and Mom is OK by herself then-so far. Of course,I
learned the hard way that I had to turn the electric cook stove off at
the breaker box and fix the gas space heater so that she could not turn
that off and on.

The only problem I have at times is Mom wanting me to get up instead of
taking a nap. (ha) I laugh;but there is nothing funny about that when
I'm really tired and give out! Or I know she would really rather I sleep
in my recliner,by her hospital bed in the living room,rather then in my
bed in my bedroom. I know she just gets worried/scared at times when she
can't physically see me. Sometimes she comes to my bedroom several times
as I read-right before I fall asleep and she wants me to come back in
the other room. I tell her no,I want to sleep/nap in my comfortable bed.
:-) And that she needs to go lay down to,watch TV or take a nap. All of
this can turn into quite a production :-) when she comes in my room
several times right before I go to sleep. Sometimes she gets mad if I
don't do as she wants;but most time she doesn't.

Sometimes I just keep my eyes closed and make like I'm asleep when she
shakes my shoulder,etc. LoL And Mom was a NAide for years in our local
hospital and many times when she comes in my room she will quickly
checks my pulse and feels of my forehead. :-) I guess she's checking to
see if I'm OK? :-) And if I keep quite she ends up going back to the
living room and her bed.

And I do leave the TV going when I'm going to be sleeping.

> Evelyn:
> You can't do it all, so plan ahead for
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> implemented.   Planning in advance is
> never a bad thing.
Ronny:
The only next change I can see coming is when Mom has to go in a nursing
home. I don't think the government will pay for/ provide more time for
in home health care;but I need to check on that because I really don't
know what is the maximum amount of time a person from a local home
health care place could be here with her according to government
regulations?
[Thinking here about if she needed someone to physically keep an eye on
her 24 hours a day,so that she didn't hurt herself,etc.]  Doubt help
would be provided say 12 hours a day,7 days a week.

I know last year one of my sisters asked me if I thought we shouldn't
put Mom in a nursing home then? That really upset me because no,Mom
didn't need a nursing home then and still doesn't yet. Now if she had to
have constant watching 24 hours a day,that would be a whole different
matter and yes she would need to be in a nursing home then.

Mom is so active a lot of the times and what gets to me is how would
they handle that in a nursing home except to keep her drugged up and in
bed? I mean,what else could they do since they don't have enough people
to watch out for an active patient 24 hours a day.

I know the last two or three times Mom was in the hospital someone had
to stay with her at all times. I stayed at night and even then she would
be up and about sometimes if I fell asleep or went outside for a
cigarette. If none of us had been available to stay with her,then they
would have simply had to knock her out with some meds or keep her tied
in bed somehow. And they found out in the hospital that bed rails do not
work with Mom! :-) I think what she did with that was just scoot down to
the end of the bed and get out that way?! LoL

I'm glad if was warm enough yesterday morning to have the front door
open with the screen door locked. That way Mom got to look out and see
the Mama Hen with her 14 baby chickens! :-) And she made sure I came to
see them too! LoL

Then yesterday evening from 5:30 on I was out in the backyard working on
a bird pen and feeding and seeing about the birds and Mama Cat and her 4
new kittens. Mom came out several times then even though it would of
been better if she had stayed inside because she really wasn't feeling
so hot. I would keep getting her to go back in the house and or helping
her back in and then going back to work for a bit.

Really need a different chair out back for her to sit in-one easier for
her to get out of. Right now we're using her old bath chair,which seems
comfortable for her;but is a little too low. Need to check that-think I
may can raise the height on it?

I was really give out by the time I got through with somethings about
8:30 last night! :-) Sore some too! LoL Got Mom fed and me too and fell
asleep about 10:30. Woke up at 2:30 and now it's nearly 4:30. Mom's been
up a few times, we've got her wet Depends changed and dry sheet on the
bed. So far she's gone back to sleep after each getting up. I should
probably go back to sleep too, :-) maybe in my recliner? Wish it were
daylight already and I could be back out working on that little bird
pen. Think daybreak is about an hour off though. Don't like too much and
will have that pen finished up.

Better stop talking and go for now. :-)
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 07 May 2005 13:19 GMT
Hi Ronny,

Just for your reference, here are the stages of Alzheimer's as defined
by Dr. Reisberg. Sadly, everyone who lives into the later stages of AD
does get to the point where they need 24/7 supervision and support
(i.e. they can't be left alone at all).

Mary G.

Stages of Alzheimers

In 1982 Dr. Barry Reisberg published what was to become the best and
most widely accepted description of the stages of Alzheimer's disease.
Even today,years later, when experts referto a person being in stage 5
or stage 6, they are referring to Dr. Reisberg's scale of seven stages.

Adapted from Reisberg, B., Ferris, S.H., Leon, J.J. & Crook, T. The
global deterioration scale for the assessment of primary degenerative
dementia. American Journal of Psychiatry, 1982

Level 1

No cognitive decline - (or Normal Adult). No subjective complaints of
memory deficit. No memory deficit evident on clinical interviews.

Level 2
Very mild cognitive decline (forgetfulness or normal older adult).
Subjective complaints of memory deficit, most frequently in the
following area:
(a) forgetting where one has placed familiar objects;
(b) forgetting names on formerly knew well.
No objective evidence of memory deficit on clinical interview. No
objective deficits in employment or social situations. Appropriate
concern regarding symptoms.

Level 3
Mild cognitive decline (early confusional or Early AD). Earliest
clear-cut deficits. Manifestations in more than one of the following
areas:
(a) patient may have gotten lost when traveling to an unfamiliar
location;
(b) co-workers become aware of patient's relatively low performance;
(c) word and name finding deficit becomes evident to intimates;
(d) patient may read a passage of a book and retain relatively little
material;
(e) patient may demonstrate decreased facility in remembering names
upon introduction to new people;
(f) patient may have lost or misplaced an object of value;
(g) concentration deficit may be evident on clinical testing.
Objective evidence of memory deficit obtained only with an intensive
interview. Denial begins to become manifest in patient. Mild to
moderate anxiety accompanies symptoms. Deficits noticed in demanding
employment situations.

Level 4
Moderate cognitive decline (Late Confusional or Mild AD). Clear-cut
deficit on careful clinical interview. Deficit manifest in following
areas:
(a) decreased knowledge of current and recent events; (b) may exhibit
some deficit in memory of one's personal history;
(c) concentration deficit elicited on serial subtractions; (d)
decreased ability to travel, handle finances, etc.

Frequently no deficit in the following areas:
(a) orientation to time and person;
(b) recognition of familiar persons and faces;
(c) ability to travel to familiar locations.
Inability to perform complex tasks. Denial is dominant defense
mechanism. Flattening of affect and withdrawl from challenging
situations occur.

Level 5
Moderately severe cognitive decline (Early Dementia or moderate AD).
Patient can no longer survive without some assistance. Patient is
unable during interview to recall a major relevant aspect of their
current lives, e.g., an address or telephone number of many years, the
names of close family members (such as grandchildren), the name of the
high school or college from which they graduated. Frequently some
disorientation to time (date, day of week, season, etc.) or to place.
An educated person may have difficulty counting back from 40 by 4s or
from 20 by 2s. Persons at this stage retain knowledge of many major
facts regarding themselves and others. They invariably know their own
names and generally know their spouse's and children's names. They
require no assistance with toileting and eating, but may have some
difficulty choosing the proper clothing to wear.

Level 6
Severe cognitive decline (Middle Dementia or Moderately Severe AD). May
occasionally forget the name of the spouse upon whom they are entirely
dependent for survival. Will be largely unaware of all recent events
and experiences in their lives. Retain some knowledge of their past
lives but this is very sketchy. Generally unaware of their
surroundings, the year, the season, etc. May have difficulty counting
from 10, both backward and sometimes forward. Will require some
assistance with activities of daily living, e.g., may become
incontinent, will require travel assistance but occasionally will
display ability to orient in familiar locations. Diurnal rhythm
frequently disturbed. Almost always recall
their own name. Frequently continue to be able to distinguish familiar
from unfamiliar persons in their environment. Personality and emotional
changes occur. These are quite variable and include
(a) delusional behavior, e.g., paatients may accuse their spouse of
being an impostor, may talk to imaginary figures in the environment, or
to their own reflection in the mirror;
(b) obsessive symptoms, e.g., person may
continually repeat simple cleaning activities;
(c) anxiety symptoms, agitation, and even previously nonexistent
violent behavior may occur;
(d) cognitive abulla, i.e., loss of willpower because an individual
cannot carry a thought long enough to determine a purposeful course of
action.

6a - Requires Assistance dressing
6b - Requires Assistance bathing properly
6c - Requires Assistance with mechanics of toileting
6d - Urinary incontinence
6e - Fecal incontinence

Level 7
Very severe cognitive decline (Late Dementia or Severe AD). All verbal
abilities are lost. Frequently there is no speech at all - only
grunting. Incontinent of urine, requires assistance toileting and
feeding. Lose basic psychomotor skills, e.g., ability to walk, sitting
and head control. The brain appears to no longer be able to tell the
body what to do. Generalized and cortical neurologic signs and symptoms
are frequently present.

7a - Speech ability limited to about a half-dozen intelligible words
7b - Intelligible vocabulary limited to a single word
7c - Ambulatory ability lost
7d - Ability to sit up lost
7e - Ability to smile lost
7f - Ability to hold up head lost
Evelyn Ruut - 07 May 2005 13:43 GMT
I am grateful that Ida never made it to stage 7, or she was maybe just
starting it.

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> Hi Ronny,
>
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> 7e - Ability to smile lost
> 7f - Ability to hold up head lost
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 07 May 2005 14:55 GMT
Forgot to mention, Ronny, that usually the first stop for a person with
AD who has to go into some sort of institutional care is not a nursing
home. Nursing homes are actually facilities for people who need skilled
24 hour nursing care, which is usually only necessary for someone who
is in end stage AD, and is bedridden.

My MIL, for example, two or three years into her AD, first moved from
her apartment to what they call an "assisted living facility" - the
first place she went to was essentially sheltered and supportive living
- they would help with bathing and dressing, and provided laundry,
meals, activities, housekeeping, supervision of medications and a range
of in-house services etc. but expected residents to be continent,
ambulatory and able to get themselves to meals. They also didn't keep
residents under lock and key (while she was there, she could have gone
out the door any time, so obviously not a facility for a wanderer).
They expected a degree of independence and orientation, ability to tell
time, feed themselves, communicate. It was actually a really great
place with tons of great opportunities for social and recreational
activities and it was unfortunate that it was fine for her for only a
year. After that she started getting lost in the building, she couldn't
operate her door locks, couldn't be trusted with her own bathroom or
access to the communal kitchenette for snacks, couldn't tell time and
get to meals or activities, was having paranoid delusions about other
residents etc. etc.

Her next move was to a locked and specialized Alzheimer's unit that
provided security and more total supervision and support, but did
expect the person to be ambulatory, and to be able to feed themselves.
Fecal and urinary incontinence were okay - but they really needed the
inmates to be able to walk, get in and out of bed and chairs etc. It
was still assisted living, but a much more intense level of care - but
it was still not classed as a "nursing home".

It wasn't until the AD took her ability to walk and feed herself that
she had to go to what they defined as the heavy care ward within the
same facility - which offered the degree of acute care that falls into
a "nursing home" definition. Not all residents of that unit were
cognitively impaired. Her roommate, for example, had some sort of
neurological illness, so her mind was intact, but she was physically
helpless, was very stiff and hard to dress and bathe, prone to
bedsores, needed breathing support, and thus needed a lot of very
specialized care - as did my MIL in late AD. It was much more expensive
and took a lot more one on one care - but since none of the inmates
could get around on their own, no lockdown!

Mary G.
Karen - 08 May 2005 01:02 GMT
My MIL lived in a similar place at first, after she calmed down about having
to be there.  They had to keep her in the lock down area for 3 weeks and
then she woke up one morning and decided she had put herself there!  LOL!
She didn't remember the 3 weeks of hysterical ranting (psych meds can be
wonderful).  And it was good for about a year and a half, then she started
wandering.

When we were able to get her to come to our city (brought her a new luggage
set for her vacation!) we had found a wonderful place that specializes only
in "Memory Assisted Living".  Some of the residents are in wheelchairs and
can't get around by themselves, but that facility will keep them until the
actually require nursing care (IVs and/or bedridden).  Funny thing is that
the place doesn't advertise and isn't listed in the yellow pages.  They have
a waiting list in spite of that.  We found it through my podiatrist, who
goes there for the diabetic patients.

Anyone looking might want to ask a few health care professionals, preferably
gerantologists, neurologists or psychiatrists since they would have more
experience with Alzheimer's.

Karen

> Forgot to mention, Ronny, that usually the first stop for a person with
> AD who has to go into some sort of institutional care is not a nursing
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>
> Mary G.
 
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