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Joy - 16 Apr 2005 10:24 GMT
Hello Group,

First of all let me say hi to you all, I have only been reading the group
for the past few days as our 'situation' is so new.  My godmother who is 77
has been acting rather strangely for the past few months....forgetting
things and gradually seeming more aggressive.  I simply put it down to old
age or maybe light depression.  But in the last 3 weeks things seem to be
spiralling out of control.  She has become verbally abusive and seems to
have lost interst in everything.  I simply cannot believe some of the vile
things she is saying, not only about recent times but from many, years back.
Terrible accusations that have hurt me so much and totally distort the
truth.

A couple of days ago my husband and I tried to talk to her directly about
the problem but there is no way of talking rationally to her and she insists
she is fine.  We have also noticed that her speech seems slower.  She went
to her doctor a few weeks ago to ask for some sort of tonic and apparently
has been telling the doctor all sorts of wierd stories because, according to
her, the doctor has told her to be 'fight back' and be more assertive with
the people who are supposedly mistreating her!  oh my....it feels like she
has been abducted by aliens and they have given me back some sort of
paranoic stranger.

So I am asking the group if it sounds like my Godmother is starting with
alzheimers.  Did anyone else's parent/loved one start like her?  I have
researched the Net but from what I read memory loss seems to be the usual
first symptom and although she definitely has memory loss, the personality
change seems to be much more severe than anything else.  Thanks in advance
if you have the time to answer!

Joy
Tumbleweed - 16 Apr 2005 10:42 GMT
> Hello Group,
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> Joy

Personality change is very common, it may just be as simple as loss of
memory causing the personality changes. For example, misplacing items and
then accusing others of theft. Or it may be worse than that and consist of
paranoia and delusions (for example, that the people on the tv are talking
to her, and that they can hear what she says back to them) or that you are
someone else.

What you need to do is attend the next doctors meeting with her so that you
know what the doctor really said. Without doing that, you have nowhere to
start, you dont know if the doctor is good, bad or indifferent. There is
also a test called the MME that you might speak to the doctor about
beforehand and ask if she can take it, it only takes 30 mins and consists of
doing some simple tasks that do diagnose, if not Alzheimers, dementia in
general (Alzheimers is really the diagnosis that is left after everything
else has been ruled out, or at least ruled out this side of an autopsy)

HTH
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Dennis P. Harris - 17 Apr 2005 12:07 GMT
> So I am asking the group if it sounds like my Godmother is starting with
> alzheimers.  Did anyone else's parent/loved one start like her?  I have
> researched the Net but from what I read memory loss seems to be the usual
> first symptom and although she definitely has memory loss, the personality
> change seems to be much more severe than anything else.  Thanks in advance
> if you have the time to answer!

she could have had a stroke or a series of mini-strokes.  if her
speech is slurred, the doc should have run some tests!

have you talked to her family?  has anyone else that knows her
noticed any problems?

she probably should have a full neuro-psych exam.
Boydette - 17 Apr 2005 18:28 GMT
HI Joy

There are other members here who can help you more than I can as this is
all new to me as well and both my parents are suffering from dementia
but neither one has been diagnosed with Alheimers but from what I have
read they are pretty much similiar

My mom has also become "a handful" and she has all the symptoms you
mentioned....I hope you will have better success than I have in getting
her to go to the doctor etc

As for the "wierd stories" that is the hardest part to deal with IMO
because they make it sound so REAl...my mom will describe in depth
experiences and I just have a hard time trying to distinguish the truth
from her delusions....sometimes I think she dreams stuff and it feels so
real to her....she is very convincing when she does this and if I
question it she gets angry...lately I just ignore her or when she is
rambling like that I just let her go cause correcting her NEVER works

Good luck HTH  Boydette
Gwen Love - 17 Apr 2005 20:29 GMT
Boydette, I don't think I have dementia (yet) but I have had dreams that
seemed so real that at some time later I wondered if I dreamed it or if it
really happened.  I am usually able to determine if it was a dream!
Gwen

> HI Joy
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> Good luck HTH  Boydette
Boydette - 18 Apr 2005 04:07 GMT
GWEN!!!
I have also and it scared e also...my hubby tells me stuff I say when I
first wake up...I think the only difference is I do come to myself mom
dont...LOL
Joy - 18 Apr 2005 10:16 GMT
Thanks to both of you for answering.

Re:  the full doctors checkover...for the time being it is a complete no-go
as she says she is perfectly OK.  Obvisouly there is no way I can force her
to go if she simply refuses.  And as far as getting the opinion of family
and friends, well she has no children,  her family all 'abandoned' her years
ago and basically she doesnt have any friends!  That being the reason that I
feel I have sole responsibility to do something about the situation, yet I
feel so frustrated as she wont even recognise there IS a situation.

I think the tip of ignoring the accusations and wierd 'stories' is probably
a good one, because as you say you simply get nowhere by trying to
rationalise them.  So my next step will be to spend the next few weeks
simply agreeing with her, see if she calms down.  Even if that means
agreeing that I have been phoning her, shouting "you're crazy" and hanging
up...!

Joy

> Boydette, I don't think I have dementia (yet) but I have had dreams that
> seemed so real that at some time later I wondered if I dreamed it or if it
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> > Good luck HTH  Boydette
Evelyn Ruut - 18 Apr 2005 13:32 GMT
> Thanks to both of you for answering.
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> Joy

Maybe you could tell her it was a joke?   I don't know if that would work.
There were some delusions my mother in law had that we didn't agree with
because we felt that it wasn't good for the situation.  For instance she
imagined that we had cows outside that needed to be milked, and she wanted
to go out and find them and milk them.   We live in the middle of a forest,
and she could have wandered off and gotten lost.   We told her that we sold
the cows to a farmer and the farmer was milking the cows now.  Telling her
there were no cows caused her anxiety, because they were real in her mind.

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Evelyn

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>> Boydette, I don't think I have dementia (yet) but I have had dreams that
>> seemed so real that at some time later I wondered if I dreamed it or if
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>> > Good luck HTH  Boydette
Dennis P. Harris - 18 Apr 2005 20:19 GMT
> feel I have sole responsibility to do something about the situation, yet I
> feel so frustrated as she wont even recognise there IS a situation.

it's not unusual for a person with a dementia to either have no
insight into their situation (fail to recognize that there's
something wrong) or know that there's something wrong but be in
denial about it (for several reasons, ranging from being afraid
of it getting worse to being afraid that someone will "put them
away in a home").

if there are no relatives, you should contact the adult
protective services in your area (contact your local office of
the aging, or your state's agency for the elderly).

for info on how to deal with such a situation, you might try
contacting the alzheimer's association in your area and ask about
caregiver support groups (see http://www.alz.org ).  often there
are folks at support group meetings who have dealt with similar
situations who could offer advice and resources.
Glenfiddich - 19 Apr 2005 04:43 GMT
>Boydette, I don't think I have dementia (yet) but I have had dreams that
>seemed so real that at some time later I wondered if I dreamed it or if it
>really happened.  I am usually able to determine if it was a dream!
>Gwen

Extremely vivid and realistic dreams happened to me, too.
It was when I was worn down to a nub from caring for my wife...

It also worked the other way as well - I sometimes wondered if
I had only dreamed of some event that'd actually happened.
 
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