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Evelyn Ruut - 04 Apr 2005 14:12 GMT
This is a very difficult thing for many of us, and it certainly was for me.

My father was abusive and unkind in his early years, and even in his old age
he hasn't mellowed all that much.   But now we get along well, why is that?

This is an old post of mine which I posted to the buddhist newsgroup a long
time ago.   I have trotted it out once in a while and reposted it from time
to time, and I hope it is of interest and help to anyone who cares to read
it.

**************

Anger

Hi,

How do buddists deal with anger? Is it possible to eliminate anger? Is anger
caused by being self-righteous? Some people say it's caused by fear. Any
help will be appreciated.

(name withheld)

Hi *******,

There are probably many ways......All I can share with you is the method my
own teacher offered to me.   He claims that the only real antidote to anger
is compassion.   I have mentioned before on this newsgroup that there was an
individual who made my life miserable.  Cruel, overbearing, even violent,
this person was one real hard case.   In my own suffering from this person's
actions, I never saw from whence this anger came, but only my own ego
centered, "poor me" oriented, truly justified sense of outrage.   My teacher
suggested that I dedicate all my practice to that person!!!!!!!!

Actually, I need to correct that statement.   This gentle man, TOLD me, (not
suggested) with a direct and clear and almost fierce look in his eyes, that
I do this!

Imagine how I felt about that?  Hours of meditation, of long complex
visualized practices, daily symbolic and real offerings, all that merit from
all that effort was to be dedicated to that person.......What a quandary I
was in!   Somehow I had no problem visualizing dedication of merit to ALL
BEINGS but when I was told to dedicate that effort to only ONE being I had a
problem!?!

Well I had a choice.....at that point I had to either listen to my chosen
teacher, and bite the bullet, or to reject the entire concept of my chosen
affiliation.   If you understand what goes into such a life choice, and such
a deep committment to a teacher and practice, you will realize the magnitude
of that choice.

Perhaps my faith in my teacher was greater than my ego-centric (albeit by
ordinary standards, very justified) anger, but I did it.   I gagged on the
words, I felt it was distasteful and pointless but I did have great faith in
my teacher, and simply did it.    This in my personal experience was the
single most moving evidence of the ability of these practices to literally
CHANGE YOUR MIND.  Because it changed mine.

From an initial stance of deeply justified anger, of outrage, to deep
compassionate understanding of how suffering begins, and how it is
perpetuated, and to a powerful committment to end that suffering here, now,
in this lifetime......... that was my journey, and I am here to tell you
that my teacher was right.

As I practiced, I began to see the person with whom I was angry as a
frightened, confused child who had much less in the way of advantages than I
had;   One who experienced much suffering in his life.   In particular much
more suffering than I had.   One whose entire life-view was distorted, who
needed to fight and express anger himself due to intense suffering and pain.
I furthermore realized that I was not nearly so disadvantaged as he was.

That I had it 'better' than he did, since the spiritual damage was much
less.

I then began to see my own connection with this individual, karmically, and
the relationship that ensued in this lifetime for us both.   I began to see
the connections over many lifetimes, and how they could perpetuate such
suffering, and how the anger could continue, keeping that karmic connection
going over time.   Somehow my sense of compassionate energy that I generated
for this individual took the next step and I began to see how this very kind
of anger and pain was a thread than ran throughout time, and in many lives,
affecting others too.

I don't know if this sounds trite and "too simple" to you, since it is
difficult to express a process that took place in a meditative environment,
at the direction of a knowledgeable teacher, who worked with the real me and
my real mindset and life circumstances, but I assure you that every word I
write here is true, and was born of great effort, and that it was ultimately
to the great benefit of many others including myself.

In any case, this practice changed my entire view and mindset.   I saw the
resolution of this relationship as the key to working with ALL angers, to
ALL suffering. I saw how the karma it created went from generation to
generation, affecting many other people.   Finally I was able to dedicate my
practices full heartedly and with love to this person, and I knew that I had
conquered a great obstacle in my own life.   That was the inner change.

In REAL LIFE now, this person and I have found new connection.   He, no
longer sensing my (no matter how carefully hidden) hostility, and sensing
instead, my genuine care and concern, is different in his treatment of me.
From what it was before, has come a new understanding, a new peace.   This
healing also affected many other people, all those in whose vicinity we
live.

The relationship which was healed, was my relationship with my father.
Strange how we can hate our parents and fail to forgive them more than
anyone else.   It has been an enormous peace for me, and my whole family.
We ALL get along better now.   Yes, he can still push my buttons.  Yes, he
is still the same person.  Nothing changed him.  But I am changed.   And
with my change, there has been an effect on him.   Does that mean I NEVER
get angry anymore?  Not at all, but it is a lot less often and it has a lot
less power over me when it does.

So there you have it, one story of how some buddhists deal with anger.   May
my story help someone somewhere to understand a little better.

May all beings have happiness and its causes

May all beings be free from sorrow and its causes

May all sentient beings never be separated from sorrowless bliss

May all sentient beings abide in equanimity, free of bias, attachment and

anger.

Regards,

Evelyn

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J - 06 Apr 2005 19:25 GMT
Evelyn that was beautiful, thanks!!!
Evelyn Ruut - 06 Apr 2005 21:05 GMT
> Evelyn that was beautiful, thanks!!!

You are welcome.   It was from the heart because like so many, I had a lot
to forgive..... and hope that I am also likewise forgiven for my own
mistakes.

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Evelyn

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Boydette - 07 Apr 2005 05:15 GMT
although I was a little turned off by the buddhist idea at first the
post was great thanks Evelyn...it helped
Karen - 07 Apr 2005 06:44 GMT
My hubby really appreciated this.  His Mom had been so erratic that she had
alienated the rest of the family.  One thing I've enjoyed watching is that
as she is in a place where someone can make sure she is medicated properly
and as she forgets all the grievances she's nursed in the past, he's been
able to build a relationship with her that he never had before.  The fact
that Buddhist philosophy interests him just made it icing on the cake.
Thanks!

Karen

> This is a very difficult thing for many of us, and it certainly was for me.
>
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>
> (name withheld)

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Karen - 07 Apr 2005 06:55 GMT
This caused me to remember something I read a long time ago that anger is
never a primary emotion -- there's always something else you feel and don't
want to and your mind uses anger to help block the scary emotion.  Might be
fear of emotional pain or fear of being like the person you are angry at or
any number of personal demons but you can't get past the anger until you
figure out what it is you're trying to block.

Predictably, when I read this theory for the first time, I reacted with an
angry "What?  He's crazy!"  :-)

After chewing it over and revisiting the notion, I've come to the conclusion
that it works for me.

Karen
Jo Ann Malina - 09 Apr 2005 10:21 GMT
Karen <kk5151@hotmail.com> is alleged to have said:
> This caused me to remember something I read a long time ago that anger is
> never a primary emotion -- there's always something else you feel and don't
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> After chewing it over and revisiting the notion, I've come to the conclusion
> that it works for me.

Well, anger can cover fear, or fear can cover anger, etc.  But anger is
a primary emotion.  It's a sign that your boundaries are being violated.
Eric Berne used to say there are only 5 basic emotions, ones even a
small child can grasp: sad, glad, mad, scared and sexy.  Whether you
think all emotions can be boiled down like that, any emotion can be
used to cover another.

It all depends on what it was safe to express in your family when you
were growing up.  If you are allowed to express anger, but fear (or joy
or sadness) are forbidden, then it's anger that will tend to pop up at
inappropriate times.

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I have full cause of weeping; but this heart
Shall break into a hundred thousand flaws,
Or ere I'll weep.  O fool, I shall go mad!
                                         -- King Lear, Act II scene 4

Ronny TX - 11 Apr 2005 06:19 GMT
I read in the post where the fella said the only real antidote to anger
is compassion.

That post was not an easy one to read nor to respond to. It brought up
somethings that still have the power to make my stomach churn at times.

What I know personally is that a child/ young adult and on up can be
terribly abused and the person(s) doing the abusing can be completely
ignorant of what they are doing. And it would be so much simpler if
abusers like that were ones you knew as unloving and uncaring; but then
you know for a fact that they weren't/aren't. And throw into that mix
that the child,young adult didn't even know they were being abused and
believed completely that every negative thing that was said of them and
those like them,was true.

Then you get to 40yo and someone makes you somewhat doubt what you have
been taught to believe about yourself or at least a part of yourself.
Then sometime later you discover that what some people taught you to
believe about at least a part of yourself were all lies.

At first it is great to find out the truth. :-) But then you start to
get mad and angry and then bitter at the ones who taught you to believe
lies about yourself and that starting when you were very young-when you
were not even quite in your teens yet.

I don't doubt that bitterness is a very natural reaction to
somethings;but what I learned is that bitterness can not be held
onto,for if it is,it hurts you more than anyone else. And it keeps you
from moving forward,in a positive way,in your own life. But it does take
time to get rid of bitterness that comes from anger,that comes from
discovering that you had been abused by some people you once completely
trusted. And I don't claim I'm through with all bitterness yet. I can't
claim that because I don't know that. But over the last few years I have
off and on worked through a good bit of it.

Now that brings me back to what this fellow said;that the only real
antidote to anger is compassion. I put it another way and say a help for
anger and bitterness that can come from it,is doing what you can to try
and understand the person(s) who abused you. Now that's for my
situation,for some circumstances in life I have went through and am
still going though in someways. So I'm speaking only for myself here and
somethings that have helped me in a certain situation.

But it was good for me to look at the other person(s),to study on why
they were abusive,to see where they got that from and to see where and
why such as that could and was passed on from generation to generation
among some people?

Of course,it doesn't help that some of those people were/are so
selfrighteous at times! (ha) But then I had to study on where they got
that? How did they come to be like that? How was it that I was once like
that at a time in my life and how was that overcome in my life?

Funny thing how I was once taught to believe I was worthless and
completely no good;but at the sametime I was taught I was much better
than most other people because of a certain group I belonged to.
Took me a long time to,to find out that both of those things were lies.

Onething I know for sure and that's if you have been abused then you
need someone to talk that out with and to talk about it with. And
sometimes I think the more someones you have to do that with, the
better. You need a place to safely talk and let off steam. You need a
place to help others who have been or are in the same or similar
situation. All of that helps.

So the bottom line to me right now is yes, try and understand those who
have abused you;but even more important,as I see it for me,find others
you can help, who have been in or are in the same fix. And in helping
others,I am helped as well.

Another good point is to never focus all of your life and energy on your
having been abused or your being abused. It's simply no good to keep
that as the day in day out complete focus for your life or at least it
isn't for me. You've got to have other things in your life too. Just
everyday things that you like to do and that bring you enjoyment,a sense
of accomplishment and all those things that all of us need for a well
rounded life.

I've talked a bit now, (ha) so now I will hush for awhile! LoL
Evelyn Ruut - 11 Apr 2005 13:05 GMT
>I read in the post where the fella said the only real antidote to anger
> is compassion.
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>
> I've talked a bit now, (ha) so now I will hush for awhile! LoL

Hi Ronny,

That was a beautiful and heartfelt post, and I fully agree with it
philosophically, and in case anyone missed anything, I haven't snipped a bit
of it (above).

Since it is appropriate and definitely ON TOPIC here (lol!) I want to
continue talking about my father who is now 92 years old and suffering from
insufficient blood supply to his brain, who was the subject of my original
posting in this thread.   I would like to recount another story here.

This very morning I was awakened by my brother who called very early,
extremely upset from being abused viciously by my father this morning when
he got up to go to work.

It is unfathomable to all of us, how this man, in the last years of his life
continues to be cruel and abusive to all who love him and are around him.

We keep telling my poor brother to say to himself;   "half a brain, half a
brain" because my fathers vascular insufficiencies are only giving him half
the blood he needs to support full mental function.  One carotid artery has
a stent in it, and the other carotid artery is closed up completely with NO
blood flow and they are afraid to touch it.   So there are some serious
issues involved, and at his age, who knows how long he has left?

After doing my best (still half asleep) to comfort my poor brother, who is
in poor health himself, I finally told him this story, which he seemed to
take some comfort in.

*****

Two monks were traveling along a road together.   It had just rained, and
the two monks came upon a rain swollen stream and there was a pretty young
woman fretting because she was wearing a gorgeous kimono and she could not
cross the stream without ruining it. (Now you know that monks are not
supposed to have anything to do with women....)

Without saying a word, one monk picked her up and gently deposited the
grateful woman on the other side of the stream and all continued their
journeys.

The two monks continued walking and the one monk was visibly annoyed and
huffy.   The monk who had helped the woman ignored it.   Finally after some
time he asked him what was his problem?

The monk said "you picked up that woman back there, and etc. etc. etc."

The other monk said to him;  "I put her down on the other side of the
stream, you are still carrying her!"

******

I think a lot of bitterness and anger can be avoided by simply putting it
down and letting it be in the past.   If you carry anger with you all the
time, you can become an angry and bitter person yourself.  Anger always rots
the vessel that carries it.    Letting go can be a very helpful and very
useful way of dealing with it.    Christians always say "let go, let God"
and it is the same concept.

Just letting it go can really help.   I suggested that my brother (who is a
Christian) should pray about his stress, and then practice with each
out-breath, a feeling of letting it go, letting it pass.

I hope it helps him, because it would kill me to have to see him die too
soon of stress related illness because of my father's cruelty.

I am absolutely dreading dealing with another case of dementia type illness
in my fathers case.   So far his memory is not very good, but it is not the
same as alzheimer's was with my mother in law.

It is going to be a very rough ride.  He has been a very difficult and
problematic individual all of his life, and he verbally and emotionally
abused my poor mother for so many years before she died in the year 2000.

I just don't think I will be able to handle another situation like Ida.
My siblings and I all just go weak at the knees thinking about it.

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Evelyn

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Ronny TX - 12 Apr 2005 07:55 GMT
Evelyn:
Hi Ronny,
That was a beautiful and heartfelt post,
and I fully agree with it
philosophically, and in case anyone
missed anything, I haven't snipped a bit
of it (above).

Ronny:
Thank you. :-)

Evelyn:
Since it is appropriate and definitely
ON TOPIC here (lol!) I want to continue
talking about my father who is now 92
years old and suffering from
insufficient blood supply to his brain,
who was the subject of my original
posting in this thread.   I would like
to recount another story here.
This very morning I was awakened by my
brother who called very early, extremely
upset from being abused viciously by my
father this morning when he got up to go
to work.
It is unfathomable to all of us, how
this man, in the last years of his life
continues to be cruel and abusive to all
who love him and are around him.
We keep telling my poor brother to say
to himself;   "half a brain, half a
brain" because my fathers vascular
insufficiencies are only giving him half
the blood he needs to support full
mental function. One carotid artery has
a stent in it, and the other carotid
artery is closed up completely with NO
blood flow and they are afraid to touch
it.   So there are some serious issues
involved, and at his age, who knows how
long he has left?
After doing my best (still half asleep)
to comfort my poor brother, who is in
poor health himself, I finally told him
this story, which he seemed to take some
comfort in.

Two monks were traveling along a road
together.   It had just rained, and the
two monks came upon a rain swollen
stream and there was a pretty young
woman fretting because she was wearing a gorgeous kimono and she could
not cross the stream without ruining it. (Now you know that monks are
not supposed to have anything to do with women....)
Without saying a word, one monk picked
her up and gently deposited the grateful
woman on the other side of the stream
and all continued their journeys.
The two monks continued walking and the
one monk was visibly annoyed and huffy.
The monk who had helped the woman
ignored it.   Finally after some time he
asked him what was his problem?
The monk said "you picked up that woman
back there, and etc. etc. etc."
The other monk said to him; "I put her
down on the other side of the stream,
you are still carrying her!"  

Ronny:
That guy made a very good point there. :-) And the one who got so
annoyed was a selfrighteous legalist who obviously believed in sticking
to the letter of the law; but knew nothing about the spirit of the law!
(ha)

Evelyn:
I think a lot of bitterness and anger
can be avoided by simply putting it down
and letting it be in the past.   If you
carry anger with you all the time, you
can become an angry and bitter person
yourself. Anger always rots the vessel
that carries it.   Letting go can be a
very helpful and very useful way of
dealing with it.   Christians always say
"let go, let God" and it is the same
concept.
Just letting it go can really help.  

Ronny:
What you say here is right and good. Some trouble I have now though,with
abuse,abusive behaviour towards myself and someother people,is that it's
also in my present day life. And I'm a Christian as your brother is and
the trouble for me is that most of my pas and present day abuse comes
from some of my fellow Christians. So I'm still working on this in
various ways.

Evelyn:
I suggested that my brother (who is a
Christian) should pray about his stress,
and then practice with each out-breath,
a feeling of letting it go, letting it
pass.
I hope it helps him, because it would
kill me to have to see him die too soon
of stress related illness because of my
father's cruelty.

Ronny:
Yes,he needs to pray about it all. And by that I don't mean he has to do
any fancy thee's and thou's :-) I'm simply not big on anything like
that! LoL But I just mean flat out talking to God in a straight forward,
honest,plain way just like we talk with to some other people.
Talking,asking questions,just conversation. And a big help to me was
just reading in the Bible and in that way and other ways having God talk
to me. Now that helped me a whole lot.

Evelyn:
I am absolutely dreading dealing with
another case of dementia type illness in
my fathers case.   So far his memory is
not very good, but it is not the same as
alzheimer's was with my mother in law.
It is going to be a very rough ride. He
has been a very difficult and
problematic individual all of his life,
and he verbally and emotionally abused
my poor mother for so many years before
she died in the year 2000.
I just don't think I will be able to
handle another situation like Ida. My
siblings and I all just go weak at the
knees thinking about it.

Best Regards,
Evelyn
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Ronny:
I'm probably going to come off sounding real harsh here;but I read what
your Dad was like and what he's like now and I think when the time
comes,if indeed it does come,then you and your siblings need to have
your Dad in a nursing home where other people can do the most of the
caretaking. Maybe I'm not right on that? I don't know? What I do know is
how I start to get mad when I hear of a parent or such having been
abusive to a child or a spouse having been abusive to their spouse. I've
seen both of those things at times in my large,extended family and
nothing much makes me madder quicker than seeing or hearing of one
person abusing another. Especially when the abuser is the stronger of
the two in a lot of ways and is supposed to be loving and caring instead
of abusing.

One thing I count as one of the greatest blessings in my own life,was my
early upbringing and my knowing trust in my Dad & Mom & and older
siblings who I knew loved me. :-) To me,such times were more like a
little chick,me, :-) being under the Mama hen. LoL That is I knew where
I was safe and cared for and loved. I'm not saying my parents and older
sibling were perfect, (ha) for I'm sure they weren't during my early
growing up;but then none of us are perfect. But I look back on what I
had then,see how some young kids didn't and don't have such and I see
how blessed I was to have such. :-)

P.S.
Sorry,I did the quote and smallify thing and this particular post of
mine wouldn't send off,so I had to go back and remove all the little
marks (>) that do the smallifying! :-( Had to do that on one other post
tonight and then it got sent off just fine. Grumble, grumble,grumble!
:-)
Karen - 12 Apr 2005 03:25 GMT
Ronny, I couldn't agree more.  A friend of mine told me is "Yes, bad things
happened to me.  Bad things happen to everyone in various degrees.  But I'm
so much more than just the total of the bad things that have happened to me
that I refuse to let them define who I am.  I refuse to let them have that
much power over me."

Wise words that really sunk in to my psyche.  Some friends really are a
treat on life's path.  She's what I would call "an old soul".

Karen

-----snip-----
> Another good point is to never focus all of your life and energy on your
> having been abused or your being abused. It's simply no good to keep
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I've talked a bit now, (ha) so now I will hush for awhile! LoL
Ronny TX - 12 Apr 2005 08:04 GMT
> Re: forgiving our parents  
>  
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> refuse to let them have that much power
> over me."

Ronny:
Right! We are never to let others define who we are! LoL And some will
try to do it and run your life for you at the sametime! And if you don't
let them,they get all mad. But then so much better to let people like
that get mad,than to let them run your life!:-) LoL

> Karen:
> Wise words that really sunk in to my
> psyche. Some friends really are a treat
> on life's path. She's what I would call
> "an old soul".
> ---
Ronny:
What you said here brought this to my mind;two things we all need to
have in ourselves as we age,an old soul and a young heart! :-)
 
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