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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 16 Mar 2005 15:50 GMT
Hi All

Not been here for a while, had so many things to sort out i forgot all about
it!

Anyway hes doing well, i havent noticed anything differant in him, i
actually foned me real dad, his son and said we ought to bury the hatchet
for the sake of my granddad and do things as a family, as that never
happened before as it was my grandparents who raised me, he said he had
picked up on a couple of things he noticed with my granddad, i hadnt or at
least to cause me concern but then i see my granddad more than he sees him.
All 3 of us was in one room without a crossed word and it was years ago
since that last happend and cant remember when.

Granddad had the dog overnight last week, so both got exersise and a nice
time, im over again tomorrow and come the better weather i can take my
granddad out for day trips.

Things havent been so good for me, i split a couple of months ago with a
girl i was with for 2.5 years, she lied, selfish, nasty etc and it came to
the end where for well over a year she would tell her ex to move out, which
she never did and kept putting the date back, as at xmas she said she  would
tell him to leave her house by feb and if she didnt do that i could go and
tell him all about me and so he would know the truth, anyway that date came
and she said she would tell him by the summer and not feb, so i went to the
house and told him straight, ok he was at the top of the staircase and darnt
come down to face me, so that put a end to me and my GF. I tried apologising
etc but she wouldnt listen or speak to me.

A month ago i met a girl, way younger than me at 23.  Shes German and we got
on like a house on fire, within the first couple of weeks i laughed with her
more than in the whole 2 years with the other girl, she makes me happy,
likes me, accepts me for what i am, doesnt lie etc and even treats the dog
ok. Shes actually wants to go places with me, let me take her out for trips,
or something as simple like a quick meal at a cheap cafe which my ex never
let me do.
My ex saw us together and then got in touch, so for the past few weeks my
head as been going crazy, i still love my mex but everyone says after the
way she treat me i should move on and stick with the new girl who evryone
who has met her says is wonderful and very beutiful, so why the hell shes
with a old cripple like me i will never know!  I remember when i wa first
going to bring her home for the first time i had to ask for some advice as i
have my great granddads WW1 medals on my fireplace that he got for special
missions and killed Germans, she was fine about it.

This new girl is so nice, shes  a student here for several months, everyone
says i should ask her to stay which i know she wants as shes from E Germany
and not much work, shes smart and doing top end business finance etc.

People even said while i was with the ex gf she was bad news and i should
have got out but thats not what my heart says. My granddad has met her twice
and shes polite and respectable where as i think my ex met my grandddad 3
times in 2 years.

Aint love a funny thing, its not as if im a teenager and my first love but
my head and heart say differant things, i think i would take my ex back like
a shot, shes been nice to me in the past couple of weeks when we have
spoken, but then everyone i asked said she would soon go back to being nasty
again or just trying to get me to split with this new girl. I dont think i
have feelings for this new girl, i care for her but thats it, im sure within
a month of being with her, esp as shes so nice to me i should be feeling
more, but i dont......or cant?

This new girl can sense something is going on, but i put it down to stresses
around the house etc. I have been rushed off with my animal rescue and
recycling pc stuff which i think she belives when say its that.

Anyway hope everyone is ok, i got a bit carried away with all this, i only
meant to mention my granddad.........oops. I joked with him last week if he
wanted me to move in with him, he said no chanec as he was enjoying himself
too much and loved his freedom, he still has his humour and not bad for 80
in a few months. He did remember to fix my car radiator at the 2nd time of
asking, i havent noticed any agression or him getting upset with himself due
to his memory and although he forgets what day it is, he can remember what
days he goes to the memory clinic and is still clean and smart, im trying to
enjoy time with him as much as i can, so i hope spring and nice weather
comes early this year.

ta!
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Mar 2005 16:37 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:RIXZd.68847$ug2.17958@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Hi All
>
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>
> ta!

Dear Julian,

Thanks so much for the update.   If you ask me, I think your friends are
right.

#1... the ex never was totally honest with you and she kept you for a
"backup" while all the time she had her ex still hanging around.   She was
never really yours.

#2...She is only being nice now because she is jealous that you found
someone else so quick.  Soon as you go back to her it will be business as
usual... in this case not treating you right.

#3... Go forwards in life, not backwards.   If it didn't work out right in
the past and you go back, the same problems that broke you up the first time
still exist and will cause problems again.   Have enough respect for
yourself to demand to be treated well.   We teach people how to treat us,
and if you tolerated the mean treatment all this time the old gf never
learned to do anything better.

#4... Remember that Love is an emotion and there is nothing in the world as
changeable as an emotion.  You can have a whole ocean of it one day and not
a drop the next.   Make your decisions based on things other than just
feelings, cause feelings can and do change all the time.   Give yourself a
chance to grow to care for the new girl as much as the other one.   The old
one was just a bad habit and that draws your mind back to her.

Just the opinion of an old gal who has been around the block with love a
couple of times :-)

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Regards,
Evelyn

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 16 Mar 2005 17:03 GMT
Hi Evelyn

> Dear Julian,
>
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>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Your right, you have said exactly what others said too, guess loves like
that.

I can count on one hand and then struggle to remember good times with the
ex, that should tell me something.

The ex never wanted marrage or kids and ok i know women change their minds
often she hated kids where i wanted them with her, we argued like hell over
that, no infact she argued over that. This new girl said she would like to
start a family sometime when the times ready.

Yup i have been round the block a few times in the past 20 years, but i
didnt think it would hurt as much as this esp at my age, i know times a
great healer but its running out fast for me, i always think im much older
than the 34 i am next month.

Again thanks for advice, your right but what ever happens i have to give
this new girl a chance and be honest with her.
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Mar 2005 17:22 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:%MYZd.68909$ug2.24386@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Hi Evelyn
>
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> Again thanks for advice, your right but what ever happens i have to give
> this new girl a chance and be honest with her.

Hi Again Julian,

Now you're thinking!

My son is getting married next summer and he is 35, so you are certainly
young enough to be starting out over again with a new girl too.

One thing you must be certain of, and that is that you want someone in your
life who is going to respect you and love you and care for your feelings.
Your choice should be based on how you are being treated.

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Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 16 Mar 2005 19:23 GMT
> Hi Again Julian,
>
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> Regards,
> Evelyn

Ha your right, this new girl seems to like me in all ways, not botherd how
poor i am, and my hobbies, she even wants me to meet her family when they
visit next month, i never met my ex gf's family as she said her father was
very shy and didnt like meeting people, which i thought was strange as any
farther would want to meet the guy his daighter was dating.

I only started dating this new girl to make my ex jealous hoping she would
come round, i think that bit worked but maybe i should give it 100% chance
with the new girl.......Shes just sent me a txt saying shes finneshed Uni
for the day and on her way over now.

Evelyn, your mature years show your wisdom and experiance, now if i can
actually take your advice then i think its in a step in the right direction

> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Mar 2005 20:18 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:hQ_Zd.69225$ug2.67529@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>> Hi Again Julian,
>>
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> actually take your advice then i think its in a step in the right
> direction

Just don't give in to the urge to make the old relationship better in your
own mind than it actually was in real life.  We all do that with memory...
we make it better than it was.

People don't always change much, even if they say they are going to.
Especially ex lovers who promise the world and it lasts for maybe three days
or a week and they go right back to their mean old ways again.

Too many people fall in love with their own 'high' at being in love....
never mind that the object of their affection doesn't even love them back.
Shakespeare said "be sure that what thou lovest is lovely"  wise words from
way back :-)

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Regards,
Evelyn

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Florence A - 16 Mar 2005 21:50 GMT
Julian-  
Evelyn seems to be giving you good advice,  Even if this new girl is not
thee one, hopefully its made you look with a clearer eye at the ex..
Why take amy nastiness from anyone.?
You must tell yourself you deserve better...no........the best
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 16 Mar 2005 22:23 GMT
> Julian-
> Evelyn seems to be giving you good advice,  Even if this new girl is not
> thee one, hopefully its made you look with a clearer eye at the ex..
> Why take amy nastiness from anyone.?
> You must tell yourself you deserve better...no........the best

Yes i know even if it doesnt work with this new girl i must not go back with
the ex but its reminding myself that

This new girl is so generous, not in monertery terms but in effection and
general things, something im not used too. Shes even nice to the dog which
the ex wasnt.
Evelyn Ruut - 16 Mar 2005 22:48 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:Us1_d.69943$ug2.33098@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>> Julian-
>> Evelyn seems to be giving you good advice,  Even if this new girl is not
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> general things, something im not used too. Shes even nice to the dog which
> the ex wasnt.

Julian, whatever happens, DO NOT hook up with a girl who doesn't like
animals.   It is a good way to judge character.   The way a person treats
animals tells you a lot about how they treat other human beings.

A lot of people come to me for advice, and I won't go into it how that
works, but it is how it is.   I always tell people who are looking to find a
love in their life that they should first make a list of all the
characteristics they must have in a partner/lover and then make a second
list of all the characteristics they absolutely will not tolerate.   These
lists really should be made before you get involved, and what it is intended
to do is make a deal between you and the cosmos.

You are outlining your preferences and dislikes, and asking for what you
truly want in a partner.    I always say that if the "applicant" is missing
even one of the things you "must have" or has even one of the things you
"absolutely don't want" they should forget that person and move on, because
it won't work.

If you want a truly successful relationship, someone to love and care for
you, you need to have a plan before you fall in love and get all involved.
Since you already have someone sweet and nice who cares about you, it would
be total craziness to go back to someone who isn't good to you.   You
deserve to be loved and to have a happy life.
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Regards,
Evelyn

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 17 Mar 2005 02:57 GMT
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:Us1_d.69943$ug2.33098@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Belive it or not my ex is a animal lover, she has a horse and 2 dogs, her
then puppy she treat likes a baby but when she came to my house she always
ignored my dog etc even tho he liked her, the new girl who told me when we
met she was scared of dogs likes him, when she comes she brings him a treat
and always talks and strokes him, TOTALLY differant.............Also my new
girl lets me cook for her, even has coffee where my ex never once let me
cook a meal, like on xmas day last i askd her to spend a couple of hours
with me, ok as she worked nights so would be tired, but in the end she never
came, i was so looking forward to that for months beforehand, to her it was
nothing, to me it meant a lot. That year was the only time in any xmas or
bday we was together she got me a prezzie, some chocholates that im damn
sure someone gave her, but she didnt like.

I knew i wouldnt be inlove with in a month with the new girl, ok i respect
and care for her, but im sure i should be feeling more that this stage,
thats what has me thinking i miss my ex so much

Im gonna get some pics of us all with my granddad at the weekend and post a
link, so you can see what a ugly guy i am but with such a nice dog and
granddad(oh and nice girl too it seems)
Ronny TX - 17 Mar 2005 05:55 GMT
Re: Granddad update  
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed,
Mar 16, 2005, 9:23pm (CST+6) From:
julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk
(Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales)
"Florence A"  wrote in message
news:28192-42389C2A-413@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net...
Julian-
Evelyn seems to be giving you good
advice, Even if this new girl is not
thee one, hopefully its made you look
with a clearer eye at the ex.. Why take
amy nastiness from anyone.?
You must tell yourself you deserve
better...no........the best

Julian:
Yes i know even if it doesnt work with
this new girl i must not go back with
the ex

Ronny:
Hi Julian. :-) I know we don't know each other;but I thought I would
jump in here as is my usual way! LoL Really been enjoying reading this
thread! :-)

I've read what you've said here about your ex and I can see as you can
that you sure don't need to go back to her!

Julian:
but its reminding myself that
This new girl is so generous, not in
monertery terms but in effection and
general things, something im not used
too. Shes even nice to the dog which the
ex wasnt.

Ronny:
Oh man! What seems to be getting to you is you aren't used to being
treated right by a girlfriend,so it's kind of throwing you that the new
one is so nice to you,your grandad and your dog! But then that's the way
people are supposed to treat each other! With caring and respect. :-)
That's simply what is right and normal for people to do and act like.

And BTW,your being nearly 34 years old does not mean you're old! LoL Far
from it, as I just turned 50!

BTW 2,real good to hear about you and your grandad. :-) Have read a bit
you wrote on that before;but it's been awhile back.
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 17 Mar 2005 13:29 GMT
Re: Granddad update
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed,
Mar 16, 2005, 9:23pm (CST+6) From:
julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk
(Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales)
"Florence A"  wrote in message
news:28192-42389C2A-413@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net...
Julian-
Evelyn seems to be giving you good
advice, Even if this new girl is not
thee one, hopefully its made you look
with a clearer eye at the ex.. Why take
amy nastiness from anyone.?
You must tell yourself you deserve
better...no........the best

Julian:
Yes i know even if it doesnt work with
this new girl i must not go back with
the ex

Ronny:
Hi Julian. :-) I know we don't know each other;but I thought I would
jump in here as is my usual way! LoL Really been enjoying reading this
thread! :-)

I've read what you've said here about your ex and I can see as you can
that you sure don't need to go back to her!

Julian:
but its reminding myself that
This new girl is so generous, not in
monertery terms but in effection and
general things, something im not used
too. Shes even nice to the dog which the
ex wasnt.

Ronny:
Oh man! What seems to be getting to you is you aren't used to being
treated right by a girlfriend,so it's kind of throwing you that the new
one is so nice to you,your grandad and your dog! But then that's the way
people are supposed to treat each other! With caring and respect. :-)
That's simply what is right and normal for people to do and act like.

And BTW,your being nearly 34 years old does not mean you're old! LoL Far
from it, as I just turned 50!

BTW 2,real good to hear about you and your grandad. :-) Have read a bit
you wrote on that before;but it's been awhile back.

Hi Ronny.

Last night for example me and the German girl just talked, had something to
each and watched a video, never onced did that with the ex. Im not used to
the little things being so nice, it feels wierd.........Shes met all my
friends where the ex never wanted to go to nights out etc. Infact i once
took me ex out, after months of asking, like just me and her, no one else
as usualetc butshe brought her friend, so we had argument about that. This
new girls wants me to take her to museums etc my ex never did.  EVERYONE has
said my ex was a mistake and bad news, she was only out for herself but
maybe she would change. If shes realised how much shes hurt me in the past i
think she would want to change.

I called to see granddad this morning with the dog (both called Arthur,
named the dog after him) and hes ok, he has a nurse come everyday to make
sure hes eating etc, but he is, same old routine he has done for the past 50
years, a grapfruit with sliced bread, same time and has a shave while the
suger soaks on the grapefruit. I can remember that from the 70's when he
would do me one, but without the bread!

Im getting some pics taken on Sat so by the weekend should have some images
up for everyone to take a look at. Oh i feel old for my age, luckily i dont
look old but my body feels it  :-)
Evelyn Ruut - 17 Mar 2005 13:46 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:OKe_d.73955$ug2.63125@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Re: Granddad update
> Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed,
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> dont
> look old but my body feels it  :-)

Julian, you make sure and send me one too, OK?  I think you must still have
my address.

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Regards,
Evelyn

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 17 Mar 2005 17:49 GMT
> Julian, you make sure and send me one too, OK?  I think you must still have
> my address.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

I can hide the images on a website i did some time ago, will the links here
when done so you all can see what a ugly mug i have along with my granddad,
dog and Anett the German girl!
Ronny TX - 18 Mar 2005 09:38 GMT
Re: Granddad update    
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Thu,
Mar 17, 2005, 12:29pm (CST+6) From:
julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk
(Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales)
"Ronny TX"  wrote in message
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update
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed,
Mar 16, 2005, 9:23pm (CST+6) From:
julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk
(Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales)
"Florence A" wrote in message
news:28192-42389C2A-413@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net... Julian-
(snip)
Julian:
Hi Ronny. Last night for example me and the German
girl just talked, had something to each
and watched a video, never onced did
that with the ex. Im not used to the
little things being so nice, it feels
wierd.........Shes met all my friends
where the ex never wanted to go to
nights out etc. Infact i once took me ex
out, after months of asking, like just
me and her, no one else as usualetc
butshe brought her friend, so we had
argument about that. This new girls
wants me to take her to museums etc my
ex never did. EVERYONE has said my ex
was a mistake and bad news, she was only out for herself but maybe she
would
change. If shes realised how much shes
hurt me in the past i think she would
want to change.

Ronny:
It's the little things you mention that make life so nice. :-) And as to
you ex,maybe she will change someday;but that doesn't mean you should
put your life on hold waiting for her to! Far from it. IMO,you should go
on and live and enjoy your own life.

Julian:
I called to see granddad this morning
with the dog (both called Arthur, named
the dog after him) and hes ok, he has a
nurse come everyday to make sure hes
eating etc, but he is, same old routine
he has done for the past 50 years, a
grapfruit with sliced bread, same time
and has a shave while the suger soaks on
the grapefruit. I can remember that from
the 70's when he would do me one, but
without the bread!

Ronny:
I like the picture,you paint in words,of all of that! :-)

Julian:
Im getting some pics taken on Sat so by
the weekend should have some images up for everyone to take a look at.

Ronny:
Will be nice to see those! :-)

Julian:
Oh i feel old for my age, luckily i dont look
old but my body feels it :-)

Ronny:
Need to check out why you feel so old for your age? Hard work and tired
out,stress, not eating right,etc? Figure out what's causing it and then
see what you can do to improve things. Can't have you feeling old when
you're not yet 34yo! LoL
Dennis P. Harris - 19 Mar 2005 04:38 GMT
Ronny, because this is sensitive I didn't want to post it to the
group, one of the rare occasions when I do that...  please don't
discuss it in alt.support.alzheimers

> Julian:
> Oh i feel old for my age, luckily i dont look
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> see what you can do to improve things. Can't have you feeling old when
> you're not yet 34yo!

Ronny, if you had seen his first posts to the group, you would
know why he feels "old":  he's in a wheelchair, paraplegic from
an auto accident.  

I don't think he said so directly, but somehow I got the
impression that the accident was his fault, and he might have
been drinking.  He said that he was raised by his grandparents,
and his parents were quite dysfunctional alcoholics.  

When he first found out that grandpa had AD he would get very
drunk and then post to the group about how upset he was.  I think
that we convinced him that his drinking was NOT helpful to
grandpa or to him.

No need to reply.  Chances are my spam trap would throw it away,
as it does most webtv email.


Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 21 Mar 2005 17:58 GMT
Hi Ronny

Ronny:
Need to check out why you feel so old for your age? Hard work and tired
out,stress, not eating right,etc? Figure out what's causing it and then
see what you can do to improve things. Can't have you feeling old when
you're not yet 34yo! LoL

I suffer from a very painful back after i broke it nearly 10 years ago, so
the meds i take often make me drowsy and the pain can be bad, the new girl
has seen me scream and cry in pain but so far has been fine, she says she
not botherd or would leave me cos of that.
 
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