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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 21 Mar 2005 18:02 GMT
Heres the link to the images i took at the weekend, i picked Arthur up Sat
after granddad had him for the night.

Anett is off to Wales for a few days, she spent a few days here with me and
we had a nice time, i guess the time alone with give me time to think and
see if i miss her while shes away. Im out on Thursday where my ex with be so
by then i hope my head will be sorted. I can make my mind up either
way.......although i think it would be wiser to stay with the new girl.

http://www.marcway.co.uk/julianimages.htm

Sorry for the size, may take a while to view if on dialup.

Let me know what you think to the images.

bye all.
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Mar 2005 18:40 GMT
Nice photos Julian.   Annette is pretty and the dog is cute.

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Evelyn

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> Heres the link to the images i took at the weekend, i picked Arthur up Sat
> after granddad had him for the night.
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>
> bye all.
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 21 Mar 2005 19:54 GMT
> Nice photos Julian.   Annette is pretty and the dog is cute.

Thanks Evelyn, Arthurs a smart dog and love attention, think hes damn ugly
but everyone says the opposite.

> --
> Regards,
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> >
> > bye all.
J - 21 Mar 2005 20:18 GMT
Yah, photos came out great, but Evelyn got it backwards.... Anett is
the cute one!!
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 24 Mar 2005 01:11 GMT
> Yah, photos came out great, but Evelyn got it backwards.... Anett is
> the cute one!!

Yes shes pretty, has a nice smile, god knows what she sees in me then!

Shes been in Wales a few days and said how much shes missing me, missing her
too, but after 5 weeks together im sure i should be feeling more.
Evelyn Ruut - 24 Mar 2005 01:15 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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>> Yah, photos came out great, but Evelyn got it backwards.... Anett is
>> the cute one!!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> her
> too, but after 5 weeks together im sure i should be feeling more.

Julian that gnawing feeling in the pit of ones stomach is not "missing"
someone.   You are expecting the same kind of feeling that you had for the
ex.    That relationship was always fraught with uncertainty and rejection,
so you are sort of expecting the same kind of emotion.   The reasons you
don't feel that with Annette are several.... one because you don't have pain
and a sense of rejection mixed with missing her, and two because you have
only known her a short time.    After you have known her for as long as you
knew the ex, you may be feeling something completely different.   Every
relationship has its own set of emotional triggers.   This one may be
totally different than what you had before.

There is some excitement in being treated with so little certainty, and you
were always on tenterhooks with the ex.   This new relationship may not have
the same basis, and you don't recognize the territory.  Being treated well
by a loved one is a whole different ball game.    You need to learn a whole
new language emotionally.

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Evelyn

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 24 Mar 2005 11:14 GMT
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:_An0e.126487$y25.103932@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> by a loved one is a whole different ball game.    You need to learn a whole
> new language emotionally.

Thats good advice, im going to try and take it, off to see my granddad now
with the dog for a couple of hours........

> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Adelle - 24 Mar 2005 20:07 GMT
Other sensible good stuff snipped -

Evelyn wrote:

>> There is some excitement in being treated with so little certainty, and
> you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> whole
>> new language emotionally.

And Julian responded:

> Thats good advice, im going to try and take it, off to see my granddad now
> with the dog for a couple of hours........

Julian,

Hope your visit with Grandad was good.

Just some food for thought. You can take it or leave it as you like:

As for the Ex girlfriend/Anett situation - I've been where you are. You are
used to being treated shabbily. So an interaction in which you are being
treated with respect feels foreign and undeserved. Your statement that you
don't deserve Anett says everything about your self esteem level.

You may find that what you are feeling is a nervous anticipation, because
you are used to feeling it all the time with your ex. Any woman dating a man
[you], who continues to keep her ex in the picture, is getting an ego boost
over how much she can control you, all the while not respecting you because
she can make you do anything she wants. She belittled your interests and
controlled who you could see and what you could do based on her
'preferences.' She was playning head games. That nervous anticipation with
your ex was rooted in waiting for the proverbial 'other shoe to fall.'

You are waiting for that moment when Anett treats you in that familar
controlling but hurtful way. It is scary the first time you have that
'freedom from fear' in a relationship. You feel there is something missing.
You feel there is something you are suposed to be doing or dealing with; but
it isn't presenting itself so you feel there is something you must have
missed noticing, seeing or hearing. It took a long while before I relaxed
and realized the 'other shoe' was never going to fall . It was only then
that I could relax and trust the new relationship. (Actually, I always felt
like an anvil was going to drop from the sky onto my head, like in old
Warner Brothers cartoons. It was a huge relief when I realized there was
never going to be an anvil. I learned how to experience joy and not hold
back from it.)

While it is hard to trust the situatation, try repeating to yourself, "The
way Anett treats me is the way people should treat one another." Why?
Because it's true. And because eventually, if you repeat it enough, you'll
believe it. And even if it turns out that you enjoy Anett's company but you
don't love her in the way that creates a permanent relationship, you will
have learned a new dating/emotional skill that will serve you well as you go
into the future.

And as for going to see the ex and tell her its over - what are you hoping
to gain? You say, "the least I could do is tell her to her face" Well, no -
the 'least' you could do is never think of her again. It seems that you feel
the right thing to go over, perhaps to give her the opportunity for
redemption, to show she values you. You give that hint when you say she
didn't really give any thought to you until Anett came in the picture.

The only thing you ought think of redeeming is your own self-respect. Your
ex has shown what she values, the ability to make you jump to her emotional
strings. By not seeing her now, by not 'trying to end it the right way' you
show that you have caught on to her games and refuse to participate any
longer. That's 'more right' than meeting some code of chivalry or dating
which she wasn't applying to the relationship, so why should you? It may
even make you more attractive to her (you are now a challenge instead of a
pushover).

It was a hugely liberating moment when I told my ex, "please don't come to
visit again. Ever." Asserting myself in that way helped me to really value
myself in way I'd never done before.

Wishing you all good things -

Adelle
Evelyn Ruut - 24 Mar 2005 21:04 GMT
> Other sensible good stuff snipped -
>
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>
> Adelle

Julian, Adelle has told it the way it really is and I agree with every word.

Bravo, Adelle!

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Evelyn

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 04:49 GMT
> > Wishing you all good things -
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Regards,
> Evelyn

Evelyn, i cant disagree at all. Its like a English saying in a way, you have
lost a pound but found a ten bob bit.

If i can get over the short term then maybe long term things will be ok.

> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Evelyn Ruut - 25 Mar 2005 15:51 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:4TL0e.1134$IH3.777@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

> Evelyn, i cant disagree at all. Its like a English saying in a way, you
> have
> lost a pound but found a ten bob bit.
>
> If i can get over the short term then maybe long term things will be ok.

Julian my dear, please take it one day at a time.  Some days will be
terrible and you will want to call her, and others you won't think of her
but for a minute.   Oneday you will realize that you haven't thought of her
at all for a long time, and that you have actually been happy....   Give
yourself a chance for that.

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 04:44 GMT
Hey Adelle

See below!

> Other sensible good stuff snipped -
>
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
>
> Adelle

I read this message before i left, but i didnt have time to
reply............

My head was going crazy while i was out and i that i thought i saw my ex
from a distance. I saw her friend in the nightclub so i knew she was in, and
i taked to her friend for ages, at this time i was fine and nothing to worry
about, no feeling what so ever.  I saw her and said hello, and that was it,
she said she still loved me, and knew i was with Anett, and after we talked,
she came out with that she wanted kids in a couple of years, thats from a
girl who hated kids, wouldnt be near my kids or my friends kids.  She did
say that i would ask Anett to marry me, have kids etc and live a happy life.

I said i would but it would be living a lie, we had a good talk and hell
knows what was said at the end, i still love her and i know she would never
change, shes only coming out with all these nice things as shes seen me
happy.

I got a couple of text messages while i was out tonight from Anett, shes in
Wales at the moment, back tomorrow and i dont know what to do, i wont lie to
her, she deserves more than that, but what i feel inside shouldnt be
happing, everyone else has said what you said.  My ex said i would settle
down with Anett, kids etc and i would live a lie.

I know if i can enjoy the next few days with Anett and have a nice time
hopfully things will be ok.

If im honest, and im a bit worse for booze at half 3 in the morning now, i
have slept with Anett in the past 2 weeks more times than i did in 2 years
with Shelly.  She said tonight it was August which is about right. At my age
sex isnt everything as its not as if im a teenager, but i dont get that
tingly feeling at all when im with Anett.................

Well thats about it, from what everyone has said i feel like a failure, even
my sister and my ex ex from 7 years ago said how bad she treated me but how
nice Anett is. My old ex amd me were together for 4 years until i broke my
back in 96, now where just really close friends, and she said from day 1 how
bad Shelly was.

Guess my son at 17 is going to go through what i am now, i remember my first
love at 17, infact i saw her last week when i parked my car and saw her for
the first time in 12 years and my god she looks like her mom that i
remember, from a slim sexy Cher lookalike to a totally differant person.
Evelyn Ruut - 25 Mar 2005 15:49 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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snipped....

> I read this message before i left, but i didnt have time to
> reply............
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> the first time in 12 years and my god she looks like her mom that i
> remember, from a slim sexy Cher lookalike to a totally differant person.

Julian,

I knew that you would let yourself in for a lot of emotional turmoil in
seeing Shelly.

That gnawing feeling in the pit of your stomach is a combination of fear,
desire, uncertainty and longing.  Please don't mistake it for love.

If you stay with Shelly in any way, you will only be letting yourself in for
more misery.   That tingly feeling isn't worth the sadness, the rejection,
the loneliness.

The greatest truth is that sometimes the "love of your life" doesn't think
you are the love of theirs.   Knowing when to move on is the hardest
decision you may have to make, but it can make or break your future.

Right now you are remembering all the good times, such as they were.   But
the real good times with her were very few, and don't think she is EVER
going to change.   She will go back to her bad old ways in no time flat.

If you don't feel that Annette is for you, then simply move on until you
meet someone who is.  But please don't waste your love or your young life on
someone who is trouble with a capital T.
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Evelyn

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 18:36 GMT
> Julian,
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> meet someone who is.  But please don't waste your love or your young life on
> someone who is trouble with a capital T.

Your right, everyone here is, i respect the honesty.

> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Dennis P. Harris - 25 Mar 2005 08:24 GMT
> The only thing you ought think of redeeming is your own self-respect. Your
> ex has shown what she values, the ability to make you jump to her emotional
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> visit again. Ever." Asserting myself in that way helped me to really value
> myself in way I'd never done before.

i guess i've been playing "older brother" to him, but you really
hit the nail on the head.  i only hopes that he does exactly what
you suggest.
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 18:31 GMT
> > The only thing you ought think of redeeming is your own self-respect. Your
> > ex has shown what she values, the ability to make you jump to her emotional
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> hit the nail on the head.  i only hopes that he does exactly what
> you suggest.

In my heart, i have a feeling i will be back with my ex soon, we wrote to
each other today and she said she still loves me and hurt her when she last
night. Maybe she wasnt that bad, and maybe she meant it when she said whe
would have kids in a couple of years if things are right, last night she
said she always wanted them with me but couldnt tell me that.

If so i will say i wont go back with her until her ex has moved out, thats
what 99% of the arguments were about before.

Im not perfect, im stubborn, immature at times and maybe i didnt try hard
enough last time.
Evelyn Ruut - 25 Mar 2005 18:33 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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>> > The only thing you ought think of redeeming is your own self-respect.
> Your
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Im not perfect, im stubborn, immature at times and maybe i didnt try hard
> enough last time.

Julian you are stuck.   You tried, she didn't..... and probably won't
either.

As for her ex, he isn't an ex if he is still anywhere near her.

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 22:02 GMT
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:KVX0e.2886$IH3.2852@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> As for her ex, he isn't an ex if he is still anywhere near her.

I spoke to my ex ex, who i was together with for about 4 years, we were
together when i broke my back in 96 and she had to  nurse me for a year, i
changed from loving her as boy/girfriend sexual love thing to carer
affection if that makes sense, so thats why we split, she was very close to
my grandparents who liked her too, it them she turned too when she had a
miscarage and rape etc but were still close as freinds, she said the same
thing as you, its her with the baby whos met both Anett and my ex and who my
ex wouldnt visit me with as she has a baby.  She wanted to know how it went
last night as she knew all about it, and guessed what would
happen...........

My ex lets her ex bf live there for work as his family live a v long awayway
and i know she hates him as i have heard the messages they leave each other,
she says there like brother/sister and she cant stand him to touch her, i
belive her, always have so it wasnt jealousy, it was just he would get in
the way of our relationship sometmes and couldnt move forward because of it.
They used to fight pretty bad and argue a lot, but she did say she didnt
want to hurt him.

I knew she worked long hours at night so was tired in the day and was busy
with the horse, but if we cleared the air, started a fresh from begining
maybe it would work, but im going to give it 100% with Anett, then see how
my heart feels.

Thanks again for your text, and others too.

> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Dennis P. Harris - 26 Mar 2005 05:03 GMT
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:31:22 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers,
"Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales"
<julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> In my heart, i have a feeling i will be back with my ex soon, we wrote to
> each other today and she said she still loves me and hurt her when she last
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If so i will say i wont go back with her until her ex has moved out, thats
> what 99% of the arguments were about before.

Julian, her ex *will* never move out.  I'm killfiling this thread
because I'm tired of trying to get the idea through your thick
skull that this woman doesn't give a flying f*** about you.  She
is evil.  She messes with your head.  What part of SICK do you
not understand?

Sorry, I'm out of this discussion.  I don't want to hear anything
more.  If you won't disconnect from this evil person it's not
worth our time (any of us, we all have way too much to do to
waste time on her).
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 26 Mar 2005 11:48 GMT
> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:31:22 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers,
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales"
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> worth our time (any of us, we all have way too much to do to
> waste time on her).

I rememberd something last night i had forgot about, why has made my
decision not to go back with her, when i was due to film the tv show in Sept
it was with my ex, but she pulled out at the last minute so my sister had to
step in, she said she didnt want to be on tv so her ex bf wouldnt find
out.Now months later i can see that for what it was.
Evelyn Ruut - 26 Mar 2005 13:34 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
message news:m6b1e.7828$IH3.7099@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:31:22 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers,
>> "Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales"
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> step in, she said she didnt want to be on tv so her ex bf wouldnt find
> out.Now months later i can see that for what it was.

Dear Julian, I hope you can see that what you experience with her is an
unhealthy attachment, not love at all, of any kind.
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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 26 Mar 2005 18:11 GMT
> Dear Julian, I hope you can see that what you experience with her is an
> unhealthy attachment, not love at all, of any kind.

Your right, Anett is home later and im taking her to a local pub, i guess
she deserves all my attention, she even sent me a postcard while away saying
she misses me and the dog too!!

> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Evelyn Ruut - 26 Mar 2005 18:21 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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>> Dear Julian, I hope you can see that what you experience with her is an
>> unhealthy attachment, not love at all, of any kind.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> saying
> she misses me and the dog too!!

Have a great time.... :-)

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Florence A - 26 Mar 2005 20:14 GMT
Julian---my, my
I think if I  were Annete, I'd run for them thar hills--
Anyone would be hard pressed to give any advice acceptable to you ..
AND I thought you were worried about your Grand dad..and just wanted to
"vent""  
"taint so folks........but it took me away from my own "Pity Party" for
awhile

Florence
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 26 Mar 2005 20:57 GMT
> Julian---my, my
> I think if I  were Annete, I'd run for them thar hills--
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Florence

Spent all day with him, nice time watching football.

Im taking onboard the advice given, cant help my feelings but will try and
make it work with Anett.
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 26 Mar 2005 20:57 GMT
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:8Jg1e.8058$IH3.5976@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Have a great time.... :-)

Thanks, no doubt we will laugh and joke like we always do, and
now...........who was that other girl? cant remember!!!!

> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Tumbleweed - 24 Mar 2005 09:06 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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>> Yah, photos came out great, but Evelyn got it backwards.... Anett is
>> the cute one!!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> her
> too, but after 5 weeks together im sure i should be feeling more.

IMHO Julian, too much self analysis on your part looking to see if your
feelings are correct. The answer's obvious to the rest of us, you know it is
too, (deep down I suspect), so "in with the new, out with the old".

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 24 Mar 2005 19:49 GMT
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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I havent had the butterflies i have had many times before when i meet a girl
i like, or spend time with....i have no butterflies or heart skipping a beat
at all, im sorry to say my heart still hopes its a message on my fone from
my ex rather than Anett, that sounds horrible i know. THIS very second my
mobile went and i hoped it was my ex.

Guess tonight when i see her i will tell her its all over, i think Anett
deserves all my attention and thoughts, after all shes treat me better and i
have laughed more with her in about a month than i did in over 2 years with
my ex.

I even think my granddad likes her, hes told a neighbour i have brought her
round a couple of times.............

Seems your never too old to have a romantic problem, i thought only
teenagers when thru this!!!

If its a nice next week i hope to get out with my granddad and the dog for
the day, will take some pics, and make them a bit smaller this time if
anyone would like to see them.
Evelyn Ruut - 24 Mar 2005 19:49 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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>> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>> in
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> the day, will take some pics, and make them a bit smaller this time if
> anyone would like to see them.

Whatever happens don't get fooled by your own emotions, Julian.   Your ex
will most likely lay it on rather thick, being nicer than she ever was.
You know how she REALLY is though.

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 04:53 GMT
> Whatever happens don't get fooled by your own emotions, Julian.   Your ex
> will most likely lay it on rather thick, being nicer than she ever was.
> You know how she REALLY is though.

Tonight she was so sweet its as if it was a differant person when we talked,
hell knows why she should think it but i have a feeling shes seen me happy
since and regretting it., she even said she saw me laugh and smile a couple
of weeks back with Anett and didnt think it was me, i guess that says it
all.

> --
> Regards,
> Evelyn
>
> (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")
Evelyn Ruut - 25 Mar 2005 15:54 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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>> Whatever happens don't get fooled by your own emotions, Julian.   Your ex
>> will most likely lay it on rather thick, being nicer than she ever was.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> of weeks back with Anett and didnt think it was me, i guess that says it
> all.

She just doesn't care that much for you, Julian.  That is the real truth.
Maybe she will love someone somewhere, but it isn't you and most likely will
never be.    Decide that you want to be loved for what and who you are and
don't accept anything less.    For now that may involve Annette, but if it
doesn't, that should be OK too.   Just be sure to recognize that Shelly has
nothing to offer you but crumbs that accidentally fall your way.  You
deserve better than that, we all do.

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Evelyn

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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 18:34 GMT
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:TWL0e.1135$IH3.785@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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> nothing to offer you but crumbs that accidentally fall your way.  You
> deserve better than that, we all do.

I think she would try harder next time, we would near to clear the air and
talk, she would never talk when we were together.  I will try not to contact
her and forget about her and look forward to the nice times with Anett, then
if i dont feel any differant i shall at least be honest to her.
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> Evelyn
>
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Evelyn Ruut - 25 Mar 2005 18:32 GMT
"Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
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>> "Julian 'Penny for the guy' Hales" <julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote
>> in
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> then
> if i dont feel any differant i shall at least be honest to her.

Good decision.  People don't usually change very much, especially in
relationship matters.
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Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 22:03 GMT
> Good decision.  People don't usually change very much, especially in
> relationship matters.

Yes you have a wise head on your shoulders! :-)

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> Evelyn
>
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Ronny TX - 26 Mar 2005 03:08 GMT
Julian,first I'm not saying that you and Anett have to have a
relationship that is to death do you part;but what you have described
that you do have with her is great. :-) The most telling point for me is
where you said you missed Anett! :-) LoL Of course,you do and do you
know why? It's because she treats you right and doesn't use and abuse
you. Plus,you've said yourself that she makes you laugh,makes you happy
and that you like having conversations with her. I can see where this is
a whole new thing for you given how your ex treated you;but as I said
before,how your present girlfriend treats you is the way people are
supposed to treat each other.

Won't say anymore for now except that you've gotten some great advice in
this thread! :-) And I really liked the pics you posted of
you,Anett,grandpa and the dog!:-)

Don't think I got to see them all though. Can you redo the webpage they
are on and put in a pagebreak after every 3 or so pics? If you
could,that should makes the pages load a lot faster.
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 26 Mar 2005 11:48 GMT
> Julian,first I'm not saying that you and Anett have to have a
> relationship that is to death do you part;but what you have described
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> are on and put in a pagebreak after every 3 or so pics? If you
> could,that should makes the pages load a lot faster.

Will alter it tomorrow, i have some software to shrink the images to a
better size and a few more.

Anetts back today, got a postcard from her while she was away, taking her
out tonight.
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 26 Mar 2005 12:31 GMT
My personal theory is that not only do people not change very much in
terms of the fundamentals, but they tend to get "more" like themselves
as they age. Defining personality traits seem to get exagerated to the
point where at 75, you are almost a charicature of who you were at 25
(i.e. the miserable get more miserable, and the sweeties get sweeter.)

I can definitely see this in my friends' marriages...and divorces, -
the great partners become even better partners with time, and the not
so great ones turn into absolute rotten so and sos.

Mary G.
Evelyn Ruut - 26 Mar 2005 13:37 GMT
> My personal theory is that not only do people not change very much in
> terms of the fundamentals, but they tend to get "more" like themselves
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>
> Mary G.

I agree, Mary.   What can change over time are occasionally matters of
maturity.  But not everyone does that.   My father has been a miserable,
narcissistic, angry person for most of his life, but now that he is 92,  he
is mellower than he has ever been.   But every now and then he still shows
his bad side.
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Mary Gordon - 22 Mar 2005 01:47 GMT
Julian, I don't think there is much to sort out. You are neither old
nor undesirable. Stop putting yourself down. You don't have to settle
for crumbs flicked your way by someone who is clearly not interested
in sharing your life in any meaningful way.

Lets see...she doesn't share your interests or hobbies, she doesn't
want marriage or kids (which you say you want), she doesn't do kind or
considerate things for you, she sees you entirely on her terms when
its convenient for her, she doesn't introduce you to her family, she
lies to you, she's still living with her ex....I mean, seriously, this
isn't love. I'm not sure  what it is other than perhaps a quick snog
every now and then. You deserve better!! Actions speak. She's telling
you loud and clear there is no future with her.

To use the cliche, the truth is she's just "not that into you". Don't
waste 5 more minutes on that one. Move on, and be willing to risk it
on someone new. There is someone out there waiting for you to show up
who will think you are a gift from God.

If we all had to be young and perfect to find love, few of us would
have partners.

Mary G.
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 24 Mar 2005 01:22 GMT
> Julian, I don't think there is much to sort out. You are neither old
> nor undesirable. Stop putting yourself down. You don't have to settle
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>
> Mary G.

I couldnt even visit a close friend with my ex as the friend has a baby, and
my ex said she hated kids but wouldnt even come with me to sit in the same
room for a hour, while i took Anett afterwards she said was a cute kid, both
are chalk and cheese

Thursday night is when i will see my ex, my heart still wants her but my
brain and so it seems everyone else says dont go back.

If im honest i occ brought girls home in the past 2 years, i got more
attention from a stranger in a hour than i did with the ex, my ex wouldnt
let me touch her, hold her or anything like that, wouldnt let me take her
for dinner or anything. I remember when my car was stolen that my granddad
gave me, i would have to beg like hell for her to give me a lift to see him
once a week, and if i needed to do a lot of grocery shopping she would
rather let me struggle with a bad back with loads of heavy bags then give me
a lift a mile away and as i live on a v steep hill with no buses, maybe it
was just me but my grandparents would help anyone and thats how they raised
me and she wouldnt help in anyway.

She gave more attention to her dog than me, she would say she visit for a
couple of hours, always look at her watch and leave way before she was
suposed too.

Ive been with a coupe of hundred chicks in nearly 20 years, a few even long
term and i have never been treat so bad, people said that while we were
still together, but Anett has treat me so well in 5 weeks i think something
must be wrong as i dont feel a great deal for her, i mean that in a nice
way, she makes me laugh, happy and we can actually have a decent
conversation, but i am sure i should feel more than a i do, shes a special
girl.

Anyway hope you liked the pics of the dog and my granddad!
Dennis P. Harris - 24 Mar 2005 05:25 GMT
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:22:07 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers,
"Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales"
<julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> if i needed to do a lot of grocery shopping she would
> rather let me struggle with a bad back with loads of heavy bags then give me
> a lift a mile away

this woman is NOT worth ANY of your time.  period.  she is
POISON.  call up & cancel your visit.  stay away from her.  she
is just playing you along, a real sicko.   take control of the
situation, just call and cancel your meeting and then go do
something enjoyable.
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 24 Mar 2005 11:14 GMT
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:22:07 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers,
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales"
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> situation, just call and cancel your meeting and then go do
> something enjoyable.

At least i could do is say it to her face, she didnt want anything to do
with me, until she saw me with the new girl, guess that says it all. Im
honestly trying hard to think of a good time we had together in 2 years or
more, this new girl is the same age as her, 23 and i just sent her a text
asking if she likes chess and she says yes, my ex thought that was for
losers.
Dennis P. Harris - 25 Mar 2005 08:21 GMT
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:46 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers,
"Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales"
<julianhales@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> At least i could do is say it to her face, she didnt want anything to do
> with me, until she saw me with the new girl, guess that says it all. I

julian, get some common sense.  why would you even bother telling
her to her face that it's over when she would never do that for
you?  you're spending far too much time even thinking about her.

what you need to to is go for the new one with gusto and all your
energy.  if you don't, someone else will nab her while you
dilly-dally around with someone who obviously HATES you.

don't even waste the time of day on such a sick person.  spend
ALL your time with the one who cares.  hell, if i was there,
*i'd* be trying to take her out!  
Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales - 25 Mar 2005 18:45 GMT
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:14:46 GMT in alt.support.alzheimers,
> "Julian 'Penny for the guy'  Hales"
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> her to her face that it's over when she would never do that for
> you?  you're spending far too much time even thinking about her.

Yup, i tried drilling that into my head over and over head but i dont think
it worked

> what you need to to is go for the new one with gusto and all your
> energy.  if you don't, someone else will nab her while you
> dilly-dally around with someone who obviously HATES you.

Anett can tell, maybe its because shes a woman, i dont know, that somethings
on my mind, i smile and have a good time when where out, in a cafe and she
says im so funny, when we went to the pubs i made her happy, yet when im at
home even with Anett then i start to think of my ex.

> don't even waste the time of day on such a sick person.  spend
> ALL your time with the one who cares.  hell, if i was there,
> *i'd* be trying to take her out!

You wouldnt be the first, all my mates like her, shes funny and intelligent
and can hold down a serious conversation. Shes affectionate and has a nice
smile, its just i dont get that feeling inside, i keep thinking i should
feel differant or at least more towards her as shes so nice to me and we do
fun things out together, unfortunatly i cant help the way i feel inside.

Last night a couple of prtty girls came upto me while i was talking to my ex
saying they saw me on tv not long ago and asked if i was single still (it
said that on tv) and i said no, im with my girlfriend...............
It doesnt help my taste in music is soft rock and sloppy love songs, must
have listend to Truly by Lionel Richie a 100 times already today, and Eric
Carmens all by myself.

PS thanks for the email, makes sense.
 
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